Pelosi To GOP: A Democratic President Could Declare National Emergency On Guns

[Kondor3]

...Ignorant nonsence. There is ABSOLUTELY a provision in Constitution against a President using funds for the wall without congressional apropriation. Congress controlls the spending - PERIOD.

Au contraire... it is neither ignorant nor nonsense...

The context was a comparison to using a State of Emergency to seize legally-owned firearms...

The US Constitution prevents a President from "infringing" upon the right to bear arms... explicitly.

The US Constitution does NOT prevent a President from building a wall, explicitly or implicitly.

To put a Wall on the same par as firearms in this comparative context, there would need to be a passage in the Constitution similar to...

"An unimpeded flow of poor, uneducated foreign peasantry being necessary to both Big Business robber-barons and grateful future partisan voters within Inner City Ghetto-Plantations, the right of the Elites to an open border shall not be infringed."​

The closest we come to any such bar to wall construction would be the idea that Congress is accorded the Power of the Purse.

That is an implicit control of such specific construction - embedded within control of the Purse - not explicit, like the right to bear arms.

You are correct in observing that the money for any such wall construction would ordinarily be controlled by Congress, however...

If the Creature in the Oval Office is upheld in his declaration by a 5-4 (or 5-3?) SCOTUS, even that safeguard is overridden.

Hell... he's been packing not only the Supreme Court, but the Appellate Courts as well in recent months... hasn't he?

Neither ignorant, nor nonsense.

 

[SandSquid]

Gun ownership is legal in the U.S. unless one commits a crime with a gun. Coming into the U.S. illegally is ILLEGAL. Duh! You can't declare an emergency on people exercising their Constitutional Right to own, and carry guns legally.

So what you are saying is this national emergency is caused by the American business owners who hire illegal immigrants and give them a reward for breaking the law.

So since this is a massive enough breaking of the law by them, what do we do with those company owners like the owner of Trump golf clubs, Trump Modeling, Trump Tower, and Mar-a-Lago, who's decades of breaking the law have caused this emergency? Jail time? I mean one of them just last year was literally hiding their illegal workers from the US Gov't.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Gun ownership is legal in the U.S. unless one commits a crime with a gun. Coming into the U.S. illegally is ILLEGAL. Duh! You can't declare an emergency on people exercising their Constitutional Right to own, and carry guns legally.

So what you are saying is this national emergency is caused by the American business owners who hire illegal immigrants and give them a reward for breaking the law.

So since this is a massive enough breaking of the law by them, what do we do with those company owners like the owner of Trump golf clubs, Trump Modeling, Trump Tower, and Mar-a-Lago, who's decades of breaking the law have caused this emergency? Jail time? I mean one of them just last year was literally hiding their illegal workers from the US Gov't.

People come here for other reasons than to work. Anchor babies is also at the top of the list. Google Birther Tourism and see how they have an industry on that. People slip into the country, have a baby, and then go back home. This is primarily done with people from China, but is now catching to people in the middle-east. When those babies grow up, they can walk into this country unnoticed and perform whatever they've been trained to throughout their childhood.

From a leftists point of view, people are coming here and breaking our laws, but don't stop them, arrest Americans instead.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The House speaker warned Republicans about the precedent Trump could set by declaring a national emergency to secure border wall funding.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday warned about the dangerous precedent President Donald Trump could set if he declares a national emergency to secure funding for his border wall.

“I know the Republicans have some unease about it, no matter what they say,” Pelosi told reporters at the Capitol. “Because if the president can declare an emergency on something that he has created as an emergency, an illusion that he wants to convey, just think of what a president with different values can present to the American people.”

Pelosi said the situation at the U.S.-Mexico border doesn’t constitute an “emergency,” as Trump has framed it, but rather a “humanitarian challenge.”

“You want to talk about a national emergency?” Pelosi said. “Let’s talk about today, the one-year anniversary of another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America. That’s a national emergency.”

Pelosi was referring to the Feb. 14, 2018 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. She noted that a Democratic president could declare a national emergency on gun violence and warned Republicans to carefully consider the precedent Trump would set by using his executive power to override Congress.

“Democratic presidents can declare emergencies as well,” Pelosi said. “So the precedent that the president is setting here is something that should be met with great unease and dismay by the Republicans.”

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What goes around comes around. Go Nancy!

There is no provision in the US Constitution that prohibits a President from building a wall.

Ignorant nonsence.

There is ABSOLUTELY a provision in Constitution against a President using funds for the wall without congressional apropriation.

Congress controlls the spending - PERIOD.

The President will use existing funds, not new funds. He will transfer funds from related areas to the wall. Perfectly legal and constitutional.

 

[SandSquid]

Gun ownership is legal in the U.S. unless one commits a crime with a gun. Coming into the U.S. illegally is ILLEGAL. Duh! You can't declare an emergency on people exercising their Constitutional Right to own, and carry guns legally.

So what you are saying is this national emergency is caused by the American business owners who hire illegal immigrants and give them a reward for breaking the law.

So since this is a massive enough breaking of the law by them, what do we do with those company owners like the owner of Trump golf clubs, Trump Modeling, Trump Tower, and Mar-a-Lago, who's decades of breaking the law have caused this emergency? Jail time? I mean one of them just last year was literally hiding their illegal workers from the US Gov't.

People come here for other reasons than to work. Anchor babies is also at the top of the list. Google Birther Tourism and see how they have an industry on that. People slip into the country, have a baby, and then go back home. This is primarily done with people from China, but is now catching to people in the middle-east. When those babies grow up, they can walk into this country unnoticed and perform whatever they've been trained to throughout their childhood.

From a leftists point of view, people are coming here and breaking our laws, but don't stop them, arrest Americans instead.

Yes, but the #1 reason for coming is because people like Donald Trump for decades have offered them the promise of work. Lets not hide that and pretend people like Donald Trump is the #1 reason we have this emergency.

Agree fully on the birther tourism bit, and like you say, the border wall does nothing to defend us there.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Foolish democrats cannot understand that only if the men are on your side you can declare an emergency and make it stick


President Andrew Jackson had the men on his side and said no to the congress and courts

He took the military against congress and courts to make the Indians go to reservations

Trump seeing how the unwise and crazies are electing crooks will bring logic tests for voting

Trump will copy the wise founders who would not let the unwise vote or be on juries

 

[froggy]

Pelosi gives voters heads up your guns could be in Jeopardy if the next president is a Democrat

Pelosi warns GOP: Next president could declare national emergency on guns

When is enough going to be enough all they do is fight amongst the parties and never get nothing accomplished that needs to be done nothing that they're hired to do they do nothing but bicker bicker bicker with each other

 

[candycorn]

Pelosi gives voters heads up your guns could be in Jeopardy if the next president is a Democrat

Pelosi warns GOP: Next president could declare national emergency on guns

Another dumb move by Pelosi (if that is true).

 

[kyzr]

Like that supersedes the 2nd Amendment, duh.

 

[SandSquid]

Guns are a Constitutional right, so that isn't going to happen. The border is a National Security issue, which is a Constitutional duty of government. Pelosi is talking out of her lying ass.

What isn't a constitutional right though is unlimited types of weapons. You can't carry a bazooka, you can't carry an M-203, you can't build a nuclear weapon and say the 1st amendment protects it.

We've already set precedent with the "assault weapons ban" and other limitations on "arms" protected by the 2nd amendment that limiting types of them is legal. So what if we had a ban on every semi-automatic weapon? A ban on anything but single shot rifles and shotguns.

Think of all the lesser policies some Dems may want through. Universal background checks on all sales, even between family. Raising the age to buy guns. Assault weapons and automatic pistol ban. Red flag laws.

What if there was a Presidential national emergency related to shootings that cleared the way for gun manufacturers to be held financially liable if their weapons were used in a murder or suicide. It would instantly put every single gun maker in the US out of business. And what if that was passed on to gun accessory and ammunition makers?

That scares the hell out of me, a LOT more than needing a wall built where the majority of illegal immigration does NOT occur.

 

[Erinwltr]

Pelosi gives voters heads up your guns could be in Jeopardy if the next president is a Democrat

Pelosi warns GOP: Next president could declare national emergency on guns

When is enough going to be enough all they do is fight amongst the parties and never get nothing accomplished that needs to be done nothing that they're hired to do they do nothing but bicker bicker bicker with each other

It is very exasperating. We are boiling ourselves in our own planet, destroying our food chain from the bottom up and these clowns are thinking of every clever way they can to be top dog in DC.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Pelosi gives voters heads up your guns could be in Jeopardy if the next president is a Democrat

Pelosi warns GOP: Next president could declare national emergency on guns

Another dumb move by Pelosi (if that is true).

Our political leaders have reduced themselves to using playground antics.

 

[SandSquid]

Like that supersedes the 2nd Amendment, duh.

Doesn't have to do that. Already have precedent laws can restrict the types of arms people can carry (assault weapons ban, you can't build a nuke and say the 2nd amendment protects it).

So obviously a huge restriction on gun types, magazine sizes, etc would be available.

The big one that I see would be a "national emergency" saying that guns are 2200% more deadly in the US than illegal immigrants and then not touch the 1st amendment, but create a clear and simple path for families of victims to hold gun makers and ammunition makers financially responsible. That doesn't touch anyone's right to own. But it would end the gun industry for private sale in the US.

That's what scares me about declaring an emergency to take away money from our military and build a wall where the majority of illegal immigration and drug smuggling are not occurring.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Pelosi gives voters heads up your guns could be in Jeopardy if the next president is a Democrat

Pelosi warns GOP: Next president could declare national emergency on guns

When is enough going to be enough all they do is fight amongst the parties and never get nothing accomplished that needs to be done nothing that they're hired to do they do nothing but bicker bicker bicker with each other

It is very exasperating. We are boiling ourselves in our own planet, destroying our food chain from the bottom up and these clowns are thinking of every clever way they can to be top dog in DC.

We are boiling ourselves in our own planet,

Of course nothing that just happened with the extreme FREEZE that set unprecedented records has any effect on our Boiling? Of course a liberals brain has boiled so much that there isnt any grey matter left, but that is to be expected...

 

[occupied]

Republicans use gun-grabber hoaxes all the time, why is it bad for a democrat to do it? When you put your fears out there for all to see all may use it against you.

 

[Erinwltr]

Pelosi gives voters heads up your guns could be in Jeopardy if the next president is a Democrat

Pelosi warns GOP: Next president could declare national emergency on guns

When is enough going to be enough all they do is fight amongst the parties and never get nothing accomplished that needs to be done nothing that they're hired to do they do nothing but bicker bicker bicker with each other

It is very exasperating. We are boiling ourselves in our own planet, destroying our food chain from the bottom up and these clowns are thinking of every clever way they can to be top dog in DC.

We are boiling ourselves in our own planet,

Of course nothing that just happened with the extreme FREEZE that set unprecedented records has any effect on our Boiling? Of course a liberals brain has boiled so much that there isnt any grey matter left, but that is to be expected...

What is expected is for POTUS apologists to continue to bury their heads in the sand and deny science. Read up and get educated. Simple as that.

 

[SandSquid]

Pelosi gives voters heads up your guns could be in Jeopardy if the next president is a Democrat

Pelosi warns GOP: Next president could declare national emergency on guns

When is enough going to be enough all they do is fight amongst the parties and never get nothing accomplished that needs to be done nothing that they're hired to do they do nothing but bicker bicker bicker with each other

It is very exasperating. We are boiling ourselves in our own planet, destroying our food chain from the bottom up and these clowns are thinking of every clever way they can to be top dog in DC.

We are boiling ourselves in our own planet,

Of course nothing that just happened with the extreme FREEZE that set unprecedented records has any effect on our Boiling? Of course a liberals brain has boiled so much that there isnt any grey matter left, but that is to be expected...

Yes, crazy isn't it. Temps swinging like never before. North pole warming and the polar vortex moving south for days. Heck how many glaciers are gone from Glacier National Park in the past 50 years?

And yet people that seemingly didn't pass 5th grade science still think weather = climate.

Like, is that kind of decision to debate a topic that they start out by saying they are completely ignorant on it, a thing now?

"Hey, I can't tell the difference between weather and climate, but let me jump against this scientific fact based opinion with my lack of understanding of even the basics of it".

It's like if I was telling Oppenheimer he needed a bigger sledgehammer to split that atom for his atomic bomb since my lack of knowledge on nuclear fission made me an expert on that topic lol

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Pelosi gives voters heads up your guns could be in Jeopardy if the next president is a Democrat

Pelosi warns GOP: Next president could declare national emergency on guns

When is enough going to be enough all they do is fight amongst the parties and never get nothing accomplished that needs to be done nothing that they're hired to do they do nothing but bicker bicker bicker with each other

One cannot declare a national emergency against a constitutional right. There would be but one thing in jeopardy should any president make such a stupid move.

In terms of the parties, expect little since there is no longer any real common ground, and the Democrats are no longer American.

 

[easyt65]

Pelosi gives voters heads up your guns could be in Jeopardy if the next president is a Democrat

Pelosi warns GOP: Next president could declare national emergency on guns

When is enough going to be enough all they do is fight amongst the parties and never get nothing accomplished that needs to be done nothing that they're hired to do they do nothing but bicker bicker bicker with each other

Pelosi is full of shit.

A President can NOT declare a 'National Emergency' to violate the Constitution / infringe on American's Constitutional Rights.

That is what she is talking about - that is not what Trump is doing!

 

[kyzr]

Like that supersedes the 2nd Amendment, duh.

Doesn't have to do that. Already have precedent laws can restrict the types of arms people can carry (assault weapons ban, you can't build a nuke and say the 2nd amendment protects it).

So obviously a huge restriction on gun types, magazine sizes, etc would be available.

The big one that I see would be a "national emergency" saying that guns are 2200% more deadly in the US than illegal immigrants and then not touch the 1st amendment, but create a clear and simple path for families of victims to hold gun makers and ammunition makers financially responsible. That doesn't touch anyone's right to own. But it would end the gun industry for private sale in the US.

That's what scares me about declaring an emergency to take away money from our military and build a wall where the majority of illegal immigration and drug smuggling are not occurring.

1. Prove that any gun type or magazine causes deaths. That's obviated by the gang violence deaths and other gun related deaths. In England murders by knife happen more than guns, you going to outlaw knives? Your 2200% is bullshit when you factor in the illicit drugs coming in thru the southern border, see graph below. A true national emergency.

2. Just because 90% of the drugs SEIZED are at the POEs doesn't mean that's where the drugs enter the US. My brother was on the southern border in the AF and they tracked the cartel drug planes coming into the US but were not allowed to work with the DEA or law enforcement. The Border Patrol knows where they need more wall, and Trump will get it for them, in spite of the traitorous democrats.