Pentagon plans to share missile secrets with Russia opposed by Republicans

[Quantum Windbag]

The entire purpose of having "defensive" missiles is so that you can launch a first strike without fearing the response.

I see you ignored my advice to think, now you sound like an idiot.

We do not have enough defensive missiles to prevent Russia from retaliating against us if we launch a first strike. It would be impossible to build a system that extensive unless we experience a major leap in technological ability. The purpose of these systems is to stop a single missile launched from a rogue nation, not a major war.

You're the one who isn't thinking. The whole "single missile from a rogue nation" argument is what we've been claiming publicly for years. The Russians don't buy it, and for obvious reason: it's clearly nonsense.

Still not thinking, are you? Explain something to me, oh mighty one, why on Earth would you think the Russians don't buy that explanation? Do you think they are as bad at math as you are?

The Russians do buy it, they understand the math, that means they must want something else. They saw these systems working in the Gulf War when Saddam was firing missiles into Israel, and they say that, even with the systems up that missiles still got through the defenses, even though they were saturating the target area with defensive missiles.

The reality here is that Russia does not have the technology, and wants it, mostly because they do not want to rely on us using it if one of those rogue nations sends a missile their way. Can't say that I blame them there, it is entirely possible we wouldn't do anything.

Side note, the Russians also understand that these missiles can be used to shoot other targets.

What no one outside you pathetic little brain believes is that these are missiles are designed to prevent a retaliatory strike if one side launches a nuclear war.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Obama's stupid reach out to Putin never ceases to amaze

The Pentagon held internal talks on declassifying sensitive missile defense technology that it plans to share with Russia as part of the Obama administration’s efforts to assuage Moscow’s opposition to European defenses.

Republicans in both the House and Senate plan to block any technology declassification for missile defense technology in the current defense authorization bill and other legislation. Legislative mark up on the authorization bill begins this week.

Critics say giving Russia classified data would undermine the effectiveness of missile defenses, which have cost taxpayers more than $100 billion since the 1980s.

Vice Adm. James Syring, director of the Pentagon’s Missile Defense Agency (MDA), disclosed during a congressional hearing Wednesday that the Obama administration has asked him about sharing sensitive missile defense data with Russia during talks over the past several years aimed at reaching a missile defense cooperation agreement.

“I have not been asked to declassify anything in terms of disclosing information to Russia,” Syring said under questioning from Rep. Mo Brooks (R., Ala.) at a House Armed Services Strategic Forces subcommittee hearing Wednesday.

However, pressed for details, Syring revealed that there were discussions among senior policy officials, including Undersecretary of Defense for Policy James Miller, about “what is classified and what is not” in the context of data sharing with the Russians

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Pentagon plans to share missile secrets with Russia opposed by Republicans | Washington Free Beacon

right. When Mednedev and Obama had that exchange with microphone on....... Obama: Tell Putin I cannot do anything right now. After the elections I'll have more freedom to do it. This is what Mednedev was asking for. Our Missile defense technology is the last thing they need before executing the invasion of the USA by limited nuclear strike.

You see, before Hillary Clinton hit the reset button with Putin the Russians didn't have the locations of our nuclear missile sites - now they do - she gave them the grand tour. Before Barack Benghazi Obama became president the Russians had never been given a tour of NORAD. Now they have. The only thing the Russians didn't have was the technology to shut down our ability to react to a nuclear strike and now Benghazi Obama has given them that too! This is the endgame.

We are now standing in the final hours before Russia is going to execute a limited nuclear strike on the United States of America. Thanks, Obama.

I'm finished for today. Just could not let this thread go by without telling the Liberals that the day is coming when they will be apologizing profusely to the conservatives in this nation for having aided and abetted this criminal adminstration. It will be too late by then but nevertheless...... it's coming.

- Jeri

Where the fuck do you guys come up with this shit?

 

[Erand7899]

It only undermines the effectiveness of the missiles if you think the United States intents to use it's nuclear arsenal offensively against Russia. I'm opposed to sharing the information because it makes the system more effective overall (as we'll get similar information about Russian weapons platforms).

Sigh,

These are defensive missiles, we couldn't use them against Russia if we wanted to. You really need to stop reacting and try thinking just once in your pathetic little life.

Will the details actually undermine the effectiveness of the missle defense shield? I don't know enough to be able to address that issue, I don't have the clearance to form an intelligent and informed opinion. I do know from my experience with other things that the more you know about how something works, the easier it is to figure out a way to get around it. I honestly don't see how to get around a missile defense system, but that does not mean it is impossible.

The entire purpose of having "defensive" missiles is so that you can launch a first strike without fearing the response.

Bullshit! We have defensive missiles for the same reason we have anti-aircraft missiles and anti-tank missiles.

We don't have enough of them to protect from a second strike capability, and we sure as hell never intend to do a first strike.

 

[Flopper]

The head of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency says that the Obama administration has discussed declassifying key data on U.S. missile defense in order to provide it to Russia.

Are there plans to do this or is this just a discussion? There's a big difference. If this could provide a breakthrough on an issue that Russia says stands in the way of nuclear arms reductions then this could be a very good move. But doing so would provoke charges by Republicans that the administration is compromising national security to appease Moscow. The critical information which is of course not available is what exactly would we be giving to Russia and what would we get in return.

Read more here: WASHINGTON: US discussing giving Russia missile defense data - Politics Wires - MiamiHerald.com

 

[Polk]

I see you ignored my advice to think, now you sound like an idiot.

We do not have enough defensive missiles to prevent Russia from retaliating against us if we launch a first strike. It would be impossible to build a system that extensive unless we experience a major leap in technological ability. The purpose of these systems is to stop a single missile launched from a rogue nation, not a major war.

You're the one who isn't thinking. The whole "single missile from a rogue nation" argument is what we've been claiming publicly for years. The Russians don't buy it, and for obvious reason: it's clearly nonsense.

We've spent 100 billion dollars on this technology, you don't just give it away to the friken Russians for free.. Get it? It doesn't make any sense, the only reason this information would be declassified is so we can give it to the Russians who are against us at every turn. What is it they help us with again? N Korea? Syria? Iran?

You realize that we're not giving the Russians the technology, right? Read the articles more closely. We're giving them a limited subset of information about the technology.

 

[Polk]

I see you ignored my advice to think, now you sound like an idiot.

We do not have enough defensive missiles to prevent Russia from retaliating against us if we launch a first strike. It would be impossible to build a system that extensive unless we experience a major leap in technological ability. The purpose of these systems is to stop a single missile launched from a rogue nation, not a major war.

You're the one who isn't thinking. The whole "single missile from a rogue nation" argument is what we've been claiming publicly for years. The Russians don't buy it, and for obvious reason: it's clearly nonsense.

Still not thinking, are you? Explain something to me, oh mighty one, why on Earth would you think the Russians don't buy that explanation? Do you think they are as bad at math as you are?

The Russians do buy it, they understand the math, that means they must want something else. They saw these systems working in the Gulf War when Saddam was firing missiles into Israel, and they say that, even with the systems up that missiles still got through the defenses, even though they were saturating the target area with defensive missiles.

The reality here is that Russia does not have the technology, and wants it, mostly because they do not want to rely on us using it if one of those rogue nations sends a missile their way. Can't say that I blame them there, it is entirely possible we wouldn't do anything.

Side note, the Russians also understand that these missiles can be used to shoot other targets.

What no one outside you pathetic little brain believes is that these are missiles are designed to prevent a retaliatory strike if one side launches a nuclear war.

The Russians don't buy that explanation because it's nonsense.

 

[TemplarKormac]

God dammit Obama. Wtf man

Come on man, I'll walk ya to the bar, you need a drink. I know this is tough to swallow.

 

[Staidhup]

Quite to the contrary. The missile defense shield is designed to intercept and destroy incoming threats, period, which in of itself minimizes offensive missile targeting capability, and removes the threat of nuclear attack from the equation. As for the first strike non retaliatory argument, its time to turn off your computer and go to bed your mother and father are coming home soon.

 

[Jroc]

80,000 dead in Syria, Assad supplied by the Russians and the Iranians, and we want to give Russia missile technology as a reward

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

TRAITOR.. SCUMBAG

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You're the one who isn't thinking. The whole "single missile from a rogue nation" argument is what we've been claiming publicly for years. The Russians don't buy it, and for obvious reason: it's clearly nonsense.

Still not thinking, are you? Explain something to me, oh mighty one, why on Earth would you think the Russians don't buy that explanation? Do you think they are as bad at math as you are?

The Russians do buy it, they understand the math, that means they must want something else. They saw these systems working in the Gulf War when Saddam was firing missiles into Israel, and they say that, even with the systems up that missiles still got through the defenses, even though they were saturating the target area with defensive missiles.

The reality here is that Russia does not have the technology, and wants it, mostly because they do not want to rely on us using it if one of those rogue nations sends a missile their way. Can't say that I blame them there, it is entirely possible we wouldn't do anything.

Side note, the Russians also understand that these missiles can be used to shoot other targets.

What no one outside you pathetic little brain believes is that these are missiles are designed to prevent a retaliatory strike if one side launches a nuclear war.

The Russians don't buy that explanation because it's nonsense.

I am presented with a choice, either I have to assume that every single Russian, including the scientists, engineers, and intelligence experts who actually deal with this type of thing, are all dumber than dog shit, or I have to assume you are.

Occam's razor makes you the idiot here.

 

[RoadVirus]

Billy Clinton gave the CHICOMs info on military tech and got paid for it. Obama's hoping for the same thing from his Russian boyfriend.

 

[Polk]

Still not thinking, are you? Explain something to me, oh mighty one, why on Earth would you think the Russians don't buy that explanation? Do you think they are as bad at math as you are?

The Russians do buy it, they understand the math, that means they must want something else. They saw these systems working in the Gulf War when Saddam was firing missiles into Israel, and they say that, even with the systems up that missiles still got through the defenses, even though they were saturating the target area with defensive missiles.

The reality here is that Russia does not have the technology, and wants it, mostly because they do not want to rely on us using it if one of those rogue nations sends a missile their way. Can't say that I blame them there, it is entirely possible we wouldn't do anything.

Side note, the Russians also understand that these missiles can be used to shoot other targets.

What no one outside you pathetic little brain believes is that these are missiles are designed to prevent a retaliatory strike if one side launches a nuclear war.

The Russians don't buy that explanation because it's nonsense.

I am presented with a choice, either I have to assume that every single Russian, including the scientists, engineers, and intelligence experts who actually deal with this type of thing, are all dumber than dog shit, or I have to assume you are.

Occam's razor makes you the idiot here.

1. That's not the choice you're presented with, since I'm saying the same thing the Russians are (that American claims that the system is designed to protect against Iran are false).
2. That's not how Occam's Razor works. Occam's Razor points to the "preferred" answer absent additional information. It does not say the simplest answer is the correct one (accepting, arguendo, that your claims require less assumptions).

 

[TheOldSchool]

God dammit Obama. Wtf man

Come on man, I'll walk ya to the bar, you need a drink. I know this is tough to swallow.

Alcohol! The great uniter we've all been waiting for!

 

[Flopper]

I'm quite sure that anything Obama offered Putin to bring him to the bargaining table would be condemned by Republicans. The last thing they want is to see is a reduction in atomic weapons and if that happens, they certainly don't want to have a Democrat in the White House taking credit for it.

 

[Jroc]

I'm quite sure that anything Obama offered Putin to bring him to the bargaining table would be condemned by Republicans. The last thing they want is to see is a reduction in atomic weapons and if that happens, they certainly don't want to have a Democrat in the White House taking credit for it.

How about we unilaterally disarm? Would you like that?..You’re an idiot

 

[Jroc]

Russia isn't giving up anything....

Russia building up missile defenses while seeking to limit U.S. defenses

Russia is engaged in a major buildup of both nuclear and conventional missile defense systems at the same time Moscow is seeking legal limits on U.S. missile defenses, according to U.S. officials.

The Russian military is developing and deploying an array of new and modernized anti-missile interceptors that are part of a strategic doctrine that calls for defending against what Moscow believes to be an increasing threat posed by offensive ballistic missiles, said U.S. officials with access to intelligence reports.

New systems monitored by U.S. intelligence agencies under development or in the deployment phase include an advanced S-500 missile defense system currently being built in addition to the already available, and very capable, S-400 and S-300 defenses.

Additionally, the Russians are upgrading the SH-08 nuclear-tipped anti-missile interceptors that have been deployed around Moscow for more than two decades.

Other new Russian defenses with capabilities against both aircraft and missiles include SA-20 and SA-21 surface-to-air missiles, and a new advanced system called the SA-X-23, an advanced version of the S-300.

U.S. officials said the defenses are assessed as effective against cruise missiles, bombers, jet fighters, short- and intermediate-range ballistic missile, and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Disclosure of the Russian missile defense buildup comes as the Obama administration is seeking to reach an agreement that critics say could result in legally binding restrictions on U.S. defenses.

Russia building up missile defenses while seeking to limit U.S. defenses | Washington Free Beacon

 

[Jroc]

Our good friend Putin...

Syria Conference Plans Dogged by Russian Insistence That Iran Take Part, Differences Over a Role for Assad


President Obama said Thursday a planned international conference seeking a solution to the Syrian crisis “may yield results,” but with Russia insisting that Iran takes part and the Syrian regime and opposition at odds over a role for President Bashar Assad the prospects are looking slim.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in an interview posted on his foreign ministry website Thursday that Iran should be involved in the forthcoming conference, and expressed the view that some Western powers wanted to “narrow the circle of outside participants,” so as to preset the agenda and outcome.

Syria Conference Plans Dogged by Russian Insistence That Iran Take Part, Differences Over a Role for Assad | CNS News

 

[Jroc]

I guess Obama isn't too mad at the Russians..

Russians Inspect Missile Defense Base in California
August 22, 2013 5:25 pm

Russian officials this week carried out a secret inspection of the U.S. strategic missile defense base in California as part of the New START arms treaty, according to Obama administration officials.

The inspection of five missile defense interceptors is allowed under the 2010 arms accord. The treaty requires cuts of U.S. and Russian deployed strategic warheads to 1,550.

A defense official said the visit was a treaty verification visit hosted by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

A State Department official declined to comment on the inspection but confirmed it was related to New START. “Implementation activities under New START are confidential,” the official said.

However, Thomas Moore, a former Senate Foreign Relations Committee professional staff member, said the inspection of the base was a controversial part of U.S. and Russian arms talks leading up to New START that was ratified by the Senate in December 2010.

The United States had opposed including the five Ground-Based Interceptor (GBI) silos in the treaty inspection terms, said Moore, a specialist on arms control issues.

The Russians refused, and because the five silos had been converted from offensive intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) silos, negotiators settled on a single inspection, Moore said, adding that he believed this week’s Russian review was that inspection.

Russia had demanded including the five silos in New START inspection provisions to monitor the conversion of long-range launch tubes into missile defense shooters.

“Russia gets one exhibition visit in the first three years of New START and one more if it ever wants to look at them again, for a total of two inspections,” Moore said. ”But this first one has to be the only one where they get to confirm the distinguishing features that set these five silos apart from a launcher of an ICBM.”

Russians Inspect Missile Defense Base in California | Washington Free Beacon