Per the 14th Amendment,

[Care4all]

Since he did say it, it may save him. IIRC, there were a few instances of him calling for peace. Politicians have used the word "fight" for a long time. And it's never meant anything until now. When morons thought they were actually going to accomplish something.

The key thing to do in any court, with a jury, is to "convince" the jury. That's it. The best salesman (attorney) wins.

He did not ask them to be peaceful.... He said he knew they were going to be, and said before and after saying that, 10,000 reason why they need to change that and not be peaceful,

...instead of a boxer with hands tied, let his hands lose, instead of fighting, fight like HELL, instead of being wimps like republican politicians, they needed to stand up and fight .....so so much of that type of rebel rousing rhetoric.

But that is not the sole indication of sedition or insurrection.....

ALL OF HIS ILLEGAL PLANS to illegally overturn the certification, Pence, the FAKE electors, the Republican State legislators, the 1/6 chaos, the Republican congress critters rejection of state certified results and votes, was ALL part of his SELF-COUP.....and any coup is a form of sedition or an insurrection against the nation....imo.

A self-coup, also called an autocoup (from the Spanish: autogolpe), or coup from the top, is a form of coup d'état in which a nation's head, having come to power through legal means, tries to stay in power through illegal means.

Also, the constitution makes no mention of a trial being held to determine an Insurrection.....law enforcement and a trial and conviction is NOT mentioned as a requirement to prevent candidates from running.....so as you mentioned, how is it determined? How would the founders or writers of the amendment, have determined such without the Code of Law?

It tells how to expel an existing office holder, through impeachment, with no guidance on preventing others from running and holding office.....?

It's a real pickle, as you state, imo too.

 

[DGS49]

There was no "insurrection." Nobody intended an insurrection. The rioters believed - with good cause - that a Leftist cabal stole the election from its rightful winner, and they wanted (irrationally) to have Trump declared the winner in some way, shape or form. Thereafter, life would go on as per usual. Trump would be term-limited in 2024 and someone else would be elected, hopefully a clone of Trump.

Nobody intended to take over the government and install Trump as a President-for-Life. Not even the crazy fucking January 6th committee made that assertion.

Nobody in this historical era plans an insurrection with no firearms. End of discussion. Microphone drop. However you want to put it.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Trump left the White House, Biden moved in and took over. I'm not seeing the "insurrection" BS. Some idiots got rowdy and were arrested, that shit happened for months across U.S. cities during the Dem stoked uprisings. Rioting, looting, burning, damage and take over of government buildings, over 2,000 police injured. The audacity of Democrats to encourage that shit then express faux rage over Jan 6th laughable.

Thats exactly why they have no credibility and then the Rs take back congress and look the other way on bidens criminal cartel. Its disgusting.

 

[Moonglow]

Yes, a member of the Proud Boys was convicted of insurrection

 

[Care4all]

The idea is, trump should be prevented from running because of his prior seditious actions,

He offered the 1/6 seditionist, pardons afterwards, he told them while attacking the capitol and breaking windows and beating up cops, that they were basically wonderful patriotic people in tweets with no effort to make them stop....in fact , it took Trump 187 minutes before he asked the rioters to leave and go home....which was essentially, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The WORST thing that could happen, is have him actually win, before his trials are over and he's convicted....it would cause a constitutional crisis.....what to do now? Does he serve the presidency in prison? CHAOS. DIVISION.

THIS WEAKENS OUR NATION....it is dangerous to boot!!!!

 

[Care4all]

18 U.S. CODE § 2383 - REBELLION OR INSURRECTION
Any act of rebellion or insurrection against the U.S. government constitutes a serious federal crime punishable by serious jail time and fines. This crime is embodied under Title 18 U.S. Code 2383.

Simply put, this law makes it illegal to incite, assist with, or participate in a rebellion or insurrection against United States laws and authority.

Rebellion or Insurrection - 18 U.S. Code § 2383
18 U.S.C. 2383 insurrection and rebellion charges are almost never filed due to free speech issues.
While peaceful protests are legal and are protected by the Constitution, violence, and destruction are not. Rebellion and insurrection apply when perpetrators destroy government property or assault federal officers. This type of illegal behavior is considered a crime against the United States and the Constitution.

It's important to note that 18 U.S. Code 2383 insurrection and rebellion charges are rarely filed by the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) because they recognize the First Amendment right to free speech. Still, specific unlawful behavior could result in criminal charges under this statute.

For example, recall the events at the U.S. Capitol building on January 6, 2021, when a group of people stormed a government building to disrupt Congress' formal certification of presidential election results.

They broke windows, destroyed government property, and were aggressive against federal law enforcement officers. Other potential charges tied to the storming of the Capitol include trespassing in a federal building, disorderly conduct, obstructing a law enforcement officer, unlawful entry of restricted buildings or grounds, and theft of public money, property, or records.

18 U.S.C. 2383 says, “Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be….”

Being convicted under this law could land you up to 10 years in federal prison. Let's review this federal law further below.



WHAT ARE THE RELATED FEDERAL LAWS?
18 U.S. Code Chapter 115 Treason, Sedition, and Subversive Activities have several federal statutes that are related to 18 U.S.C. 2383 rebellion or insurrection, including the following:

18 U.S.C. 2381 - Treason;
18 U.S.C. 2382 - Misprision of treason;
18 U.S.C. 2384 - Seditious conspiracies;
18 U.S.C. 2385 - Advocating the overthrow of Government;
18 U.S.C. 2386 - Registration of certain organizations;
18 U.S.C. 2387 - Activities affecting armed forces generally;
18 U.S.C. 2388 - Activities affecting armed forces during war;
18 U.S.C. 2389 - Recruiting for service against the United States;
18 U.S.C. 2390 - Enlistment to serve against the United States.

Rebellion or Insurrection | 18 U.S. Code § 2383

Review 18 U.S.C. 2383 rebellion or insurrection law which makes it a crime to incite, assist with, or participate in a rebellion against United States authority.

www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com

This US CODE was put in to law decades after the 14th was passed, I believe?

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Actually, it appears to be you Trumpers hanging on to that comment, for dear life! And spurting it out whenever you can.... Thinking it will SAVE your orange lord savior from imprisonment or something....?

RICO charges!

Haahhahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaaahahahahaahaaahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahhhahhahahahahahaahaaaaahaaaaaa!

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Most of those breaking in to the capitol were simply trespassers, or even looters, or vandals and did not know the criminal trump enterprise's plan, they were unwitting participants...the proud boys did, and others like oath keepers did and were charged with the seditious conspiracy and convicted by a jury of 12 in trial.

So your side is going to prove in a court of law Trump personally directed the proud boys to storm the capitol to overturn the election.
Good luck with that.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

He did not ask them to be peaceful.... He said he knew they were going to be, and said before and after saying that, 10,000 reason why they need to change that and not be peaceful,

...instead of a boxer with hands tied, let his hands lose, instead of fighting, fight like HELL, instead of being wimps like republican politicians, they needed to stand up and fight .....so so much of that type of rebel rousing rhetoric.

But that is not the sole indication of sedition or insurrection.....

ALL OF HIS ILLEGAL PLANS to illegally overturn the certification, Pence, the FAKE electors, the Republican State legislators, the 1/6 chaos, the Republican congress critters rejection of state certified results and votes, was ALL part of his SELF-COUP.....and any coup is a form of sedition or an insurrection against the nation....imo.

A self-coup, also called an autocoup (from the Spanish: autogolpe), or coup from the top, is a form of coup d'état in which a nation's head, having come to power through legal means, tries to stay in power through illegal means.

Also, the constitution makes no mention of a trial being held to determine an Insurrection.....law enforcement and a trial and conviction is NOT mentioned as a requirement to prevent candidates from running.....so as you mentioned, how is it determined? How would the founders or writers of the amendment, have determined such without the Code of Law?

It tells how to expel an existing office holder, through impeachment, with no guidance on preventing others from running and holding office.....?

It's a real pickle, as you state, imo too.

This amount of time spent is a sure sign of severe irreversible TDS.

 

[BluesLegend]

Thats exactly why they have no credibility and then the Rs take back congress and look the other way on bidens criminal cartel. Its disgusting.

Why do they look the other way? My theory is there's so many like him in congress influence peddling that if one goes down they all go down.

 

[Care4all]

This amount of time spent is a sure sign of severe irreversible TDS.

Me and the Nation,

History has been written, forever for your kids and grand kids to see and read (if you don't ban and burn the books) that this Trump Era, is the worst, most shameful period, of our constitutional democratic Republic's history, since the civil war.....

 

[Slade3200]

Nope.

.

What’s the difference?

 

[Rogue AI]

It doesn't matter....



engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies.....



or rebellion or giving aid or even comfort to the enemy

broadens the scope.

Utter nonsense, particularly given Trump is not charged with anything even remotely close to what you folks claim. 'Broadening' the scope is simply a talking point to keep you rubes hoping beyond hope that you finally got him. You will be sadly disappointed.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Yes, but it's still not insurrection. IIRC, "sedition" doesn't disqualify anyone to hold public office.
The word sedition isn't mentioned.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

Trump didn't engage in the 1/6 riot, so he's not guilty of "rebellion." And since no one has been charged or found guilty of "insurrection," he's not guilty of inciting one.

Then he's guilty of incitement not engagement. Since sedition equals rebellion, the entire word game you proposed makes Trump ineligible.

Good job.

 

[22lcidw]

Me and the Nation,

History has been written, forever for your kids and grand kids to see and read (if you don't ban and burn the books) that this Trump Era, is the worst, most shameful period, of our constitutional democratic Republic's history, since the civil war.....

You typed banning books. When it comes to sex, those books were sold in red light districts of many communities. Showing how to perform any ways of sex to a child is insane. Those puritan people many decades ago are going to be proven right. CRT is tiresome. Education in inner cities and other areas is doing nothing even after increasing public school budgets many times over. Our nation is dying. We have a percentage of the population skimming and scamming and they have also infected important industries including health care that is going to bankrupt us or continue to reduce our importance to the world.

 

[YoursTruly]

Then he's guilty of incitement not engagement. Since sedition equals rebellion, the entire word game you proposed makes Trump ineligible.

Good job.

Not my word game. It's the law and it's specific words. Words mean things.

 

[YoursTruly]

Me and the Nation,

History has been written, forever for your kids and grand kids to see and read (if you don't ban and burn the books) that this Trump Era, is the worst, most shameful period, of our constitutional democratic Republic's history, since the civil war.....

For pete's sakes, the whole "ban books" has gotten way over blown. They only restrict books from certain locations. Banning a book would mean not allowing it to be printed and circulated to anyone. It would mean getting all a certain book out of society.

 

[whitehall]

There is no such charge. It's a political word.

 

[BackAgain]

So what was it?

It was a non insurrection. As you know.

 

[YoursTruly]

Insurrection or rebellion…

Seditious conspiracy encompasses both

Maybe so. I'm not arguing that. But one has to be accused and found guilty of a certain word. And that word has to be mentioned in the constitution. Otherwise you have people stretching the law to fit things out of context.
Like GA has done to Trump and many of this people. Stretching to make something fit.
This is the biggest opposition Trump supporters and independents like myself have with these indictments.
I have no doubt Trump skirted the law on some of these instances. But cross the line? Yeah na.

"Find me ______________ Votes." <<< That's skirting. And it wasn't detailed. He never said to break the law. There's more than one way to interpret that statement.

It could be an order. Or it could be simply "go do your job" and make sure all the votes are counted.
Those on the left are going to interpret anything to get Trump knocked out. His supporters are going to do anything to keep him in.
And us independents are going to want justice to prevail, which ever way it goes. As long as it's done fair and square. And not stretch by the left, or overlooked by the right.

What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories, it doesn't matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is: "Who is to blame?"