Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel

[Papageorgio]

so what; given the choice anyone would say no to taxes.

Not to taxes, to unions. Are you intentionally twisting words or do you have learning disabilities?

so, are you for Pro-Choice or against, Pro-Choice; Person on the Right?

What? Not sure what you are asking. Are you asking if I am for abortion or against abortion? Your sentence structure makes it difficult to read.

apparently daniel isn't a native English speaker.

so what, even a South American argues better than you.

I am not sure you know how to make a point, let alone defend or argue your position.

 

[danielpalos]

so what; given the choice anyone would say no to taxes.

Not to taxes, to unions. Are you intentionally twisting words or do you have learning disabilities?

so, are you for Pro-Choice or against, Pro-Choice; Person on the Right?

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

 

[Papageorgio]

Not to taxes, to unions. Are you intentionally twisting words or do you have learning disabilities?

so, are you for Pro-Choice or against, Pro-Choice; Person on the Right?

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

so, are you for Pro-Choice or against, Pro-Choice; Person on the Right?

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

True, but that wasn't the point.. how'd you feel if you were forced to pay union dues and those dues went to causes you don't support?

That is the point.

 

[Papageorgio]

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

True, but that wasn't the point.. how'd you feel if you were forced to pay union dues and those dues went to causes you don't support?

That is the point.

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

 

[bripat9643]

Not to taxes, to unions. Are you intentionally twisting words or do you have learning disabilities?

so, are you for Pro-Choice or against, Pro-Choice; Person on the Right?

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Why is it the governments responsibility to do union deductions?

Let them set up voluntary bill pay through their bank.

It will be the most neglected gofundme account ever!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Why is it the governments responsibility to do union deductions?

Let them set up voluntary bill pay through their bank.

Bill pay through your bank costs money. Payroll deduction costs zero for everyone. If my employees want a voluntary deduction made, they log-in to their account and set it up. Cost nothing for everybody.

Actually it cost the amount of the deduction, not zero. Those who don't want to pay union dues don't think it's "zero".

 

[danielpalos]

so, are you for Pro-Choice or against, Pro-Choice; Person on the Right?

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

 

[danielpalos]

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

True, but that wasn't the point.. how'd you feel if you were forced to pay union dues and those dues went to causes you don't support?

That is the point.

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

false analogies are just that.

 

[danielpalos]

so, are you for Pro-Choice or against, Pro-Choice; Person on the Right?

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

 

[Papageorgio]

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

 

[Papageorgio]

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

True, but that wasn't the point.. how'd you feel if you were forced to pay union dues and those dues went to causes you don't support?

That is the point.

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

 

[Papageorgio]

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

 

[danielpalos]

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

 

[danielpalos]

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

True, but that wasn't the point.. how'd you feel if you were forced to pay union dues and those dues went to causes you don't support?

That is the point.

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

 

[danielpalos]

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

 

[Papageorgio]

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Because they own the business, if the worker wants to make a donation they do it on their own. If the worker dislikes what the company does with the company's money, he can quit or start their own company.

 

[Papageorgio]

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

True, but that wasn't the point.. how'd you feel if you were forced to pay union dues and those dues went to causes you don't support?

That is the point.

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

Why do they need to? The union needs to be responsible for getting their own money. It is not the responsibility of a company to collect for a union. How difficult is it for the union to track their own workers? Oh wait, you think union employees are deadbeats and irresponsible with their money.

 

[Papageorgio]

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.