Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well... Looks like FREEDOM is pushin' BACK!

 

[bripat9643]

pro choice when it doesn't involve murder.

political contributions, then. those are equivalent to dues.

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

Correct. Being an employee gives you no say in how the company spends its money.

 

[Darkwind]

According to Republicans, it's NOT OK for an auto deduction which costs nothing, but IT IS OK to use your cell phone to pay, and PAY A FEE.

I LOVE IT.....screw workers and suck your contributors all at once! YOU GO REPUBLICANS!!!!!!

Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel News The Advocate Baton Rouge Louisiana

When did it become acceptable for the Unions to force taxpayes to pay for their union fee collections? Collect you own graft money and stop forcing the State to do it for you at tax payer expense.

 

[bripat9643]

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.

He can't get over the fact that employees have no claim on corporate assets.

 

[danielpalos]

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Because they own the business, if the worker wants to make a donation they do it on their own. If the worker dislikes what the company does with the company's money, he can quit or start their own company.

how is that different from collecting dues from Labor for unions?

 

[bripat9643]

Political contributions are not the same as dues. Dues are for a membership and if you want to remain a member you pay dues. Political contributions are 100% voluntary and you don't donate if you don't want to.

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Absolutely correct.

 

[danielpalos]

True, but that wasn't the point.. how'd you feel if you were forced to pay union dues and those dues went to causes you don't support?

That is the point.

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

Why do they need to? The union needs to be responsible for getting their own money. It is not the responsibility of a company to collect for a union. How difficult is it for the union to track their own workers? Oh wait, you think union employees are deadbeats and irresponsible with their money.

The employer has to do it anyway;; however, you may have a good point. Unions should merely hire their own labor and lease them to employers.

 

[danielpalos]

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.

yes, as a business or as a union; that is the question. Article 4, Section 2 applies.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

True, but that wasn't the point.. how'd you feel if you were forced to pay union dues and those dues went to causes you don't support?

That is the point.

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of government not being put in the role of collecting dues for unions.

 

[HenryBHough]

Loved the instance several years back where a union bought a faililng radio station to turn it into a liberal bully pulpit.

First off, signed up with the notorious "Air America" which failed miserably.

Then hired local talk hosts - every one extremely liberal. Advertising revenue? Nil.

Then the hosts, being devoiut liberals, set out to unionize.

They were gone in days and the station was sold.

What was there about employees having a union that was so distasteful to that union?

RADIO NOWHERE KUDO Changes Again. SHANNYN MOORE JUST A GIRL FROM HOMER

 

[danielpalos]

How voluntary is it for labor who has no decision into how that political money will be spent?

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Absolutely correct.

why complain about unions; whiners on the Right?

 

[danielpalos]

True, but that wasn't the point.. how'd you feel if you were forced to pay union dues and those dues went to causes you don't support?

That is the point.

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of government not being put in the role of collecting dues for unions.

The government collects monies for everything else; why Only a problem with unions? Arbitrary and capricious much.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I agree, try getting that through to Daniel.

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of government not being put in the role of collecting dues for unions.

The government collects monies for everything else; why Only a problem with unions? Arbitrary and capricious much.

Because it's not the role of government to collect for unions. They can collect their own damn dues. So can United Way, so can any other Left wing "cause".

 

[danielpalos]

false analogies are just that.

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of government not being put in the role of collecting dues for unions.

The government collects monies for everything else; why Only a problem with unions? Arbitrary and capricious much.

Because it's not the role of government to collect for unions. They can collect their own damn dues. So can United Way, so can any other Left wing "cause".

Why not? They collect money for everyone else. Why only a problem with unions, person on the arbitrary and capricious right?

 

[Kosh]

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Absolutely correct.

why complain about unions; whiners on the Right?

Another far left post failure!

 

[Kosh]

Private corporations do not need to be a collection agency for a union. Let the union be their own collection agency. And the reason you don't want it, is because you know people will try to opt out. Also unions donate to causes that union employees don't want their money to go to.

I believe that is a disingenuous point; how difficult is it to automate payroll data. Firms have to deal with all sorts of distributions.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of government not being put in the role of collecting dues for unions.

The government collects monies for everything else; why Only a problem with unions? Arbitrary and capricious much.

Because it's not the role of government to collect for unions. They can collect their own damn dues. So can United Way, so can any other Left wing "cause".

Why not? They collect money for everyone else. Why only a problem with unions, person on the arbitrary and capricious right?

Why does the far left only concern themselves with churches?

 

[bripat9643]

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Absolutely correct.

why complain about unions; whiners on the Right?

The money unions donate to political causes isn't their money. That's why.

 

[bripat9643]

Worker are free to spend their money where ever they want to, be it a union or political parties or charity.

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Because they own the business, if the worker wants to make a donation they do it on their own. If the worker dislikes what the company does with the company's money, he can quit or start their own company.

how is that different from collecting dues from Labor for unions?

Because membership in a union and paying union dues isn't voluntary.

 

[bripat9643]

The money belongs to the stock holders, not the employees. Why should they have any say in how it is spent?

In other words, Labor who labors at that Firm has No Say in how political funds are spent.

That is correct, they can donate on their own.

So, why doesn't management donate on their own instead via any corporate accounts?

They do donate as a business, if the managers want to take their own money and donate they are free to.

I'm not seeing why this is such a difficult concept for you.

yes, as a business or as a union; that is the question. Article 4, Section 2 applies.

How?

 

[danielpalos]

How does that work with a corporate check?

Why do corporations need to donate for workers?

They donate to the political Cause of the Firm regardless of workers.

Absolutely correct.

why complain about unions; whiners on the Right?

Another far left post failure!

Another far right non-sequitur for their Cause; what not even repeal, this time?