Police State: Man Detained For Walking With Hands In Pockets...

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The thing about totalitarians is that they have this funny way of discovering a crime, even when one is not being committed.

Sure, you are walking with your hands in your pockets, nothing illegal about that. But you get detained by a cop having a bad day, and then you get kind of pissed and call him a fucking pig, and the next thing you know, "Obstruction of Justice".

We all need to get kind of pissed about this bullshit. Stop rolling over for these assholes. YOU are the authority.


We are letting the government sift through our mail, monitor our phone calls, study our reading habits at the library, all without so much as a fucking whimper.

Wake up!

His real 'offense' was being a Black Man walking down a street. The dirty little secret most White Americans refuse to acknowledge and address.

Link to that conclusion?

Ha, did you really ask for a 'link' for that? Seriously? This man was treated like a criminal for merely being a Black Man walking down a street. It is what it is.

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

 

[The Rabbi]

The thing about totalitarians is that they have this funny way of discovering a crime, even when one is not being committed.

Sure, you are walking with your hands in your pockets, nothing illegal about that. But you get detained by a cop having a bad day, and then you get kind of pissed and call him a fucking pig, and the next thing you know, "Obstruction of Justice".

We all need to get kind of pissed about this bullshit. Stop rolling over for these assholes. YOU are the authority.


We are letting the government sift through our mail, monitor our phone calls, study our reading habits at the library, all without so much as a fucking whimper.

Wake up!

His real 'offense' was being a Black Man walking down a street. The dirty little secret most White Americans refuse to acknowledge and address.

Link to that conclusion?

Ha, did you really ask for a 'link' for that? Seriously? This man was treated like a criminal for merely being a Black Man walking down a street. It is what it is.

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

His real 'offense' was being a Black Man walking down a street. The dirty little secret most White Americans refuse to acknowledge and address.

Link to that conclusion?

Ha, did you really ask for a 'link' for that? Seriously? This man was treated like a criminal for merely being a Black Man walking down a street. It is what it is.

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

 

[The Rabbi]

Link to that conclusion?

Ha, did you really ask for a 'link' for that? Seriously? This man was treated like a criminal for merely being a Black Man walking down a street. It is what it is.

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Oops.


There has been a great deal of discussion on the internet about a deputy talking to "a man with his hands in his pockets." Unfortunately, this issue demonstrates one of the disadvantages of social media. Often times, individuals share things without knowing the facts and in some cases promote a specific agenda unrelated to the reality of the situation. Shocking that the internet does not tell the full picture or people use this for an agenda-right? So, here is the whole story.

The video that was posted was an edited version of the whole situation and cut out the Deputy fully explaining as to why 911 was called on him, and ended with this person agreeing that the police should respond. The 911 call received by the Oakland County Dispatch Center originated from a nearby business that had been a victim , as well as its employees, of seven robberies. The caller and his employees were concerned about the individual who had walked by the front window of the business five or six times, while looking inside with his hands in his pockets. Fearing for their safety, the business dialed 911 and the Deputy responded.

In the unedited version of the event, the individual stated that if he had called the police on a suspicious person, he would expect the police to respond, check the area, and talk to the suspicious person being called about. The Deputy did not detain or pat down the individual and considering the nature of the call responded in a very restrained and professional manner.

We will continue to take each and every call seriously at the Sheriff’s Office and hold our Deputies to the highest standards and expectations of public service.

Basically this is a long version trying to justify why just any black guy is profiled and feared for no reason an thats why its reasonable to harass this guy for it. Kudos.

Now where is the link for this fantastic story you just spun. I mean since you took the time out to chastise social media and edited videos....you think you would include proof.

Did the Rabbi ever show where he got this intimate knowledge or should I prepare my shocked face right now when he cant?

 

[paulitician]

Is the 'Patriot Act' really so 'Patriotic?' I would say it's the most Un-Patriotic act ever perpetrated against the American People.

Woodrow Wilson signed the Espionage Act and imposed wartime restrictions on freedom of speech and expression, becoming the first President to tread on the civil and political rights of Americans. Americas slide into a police state began then, and the patriot act is stage two. Not looking forward to stage three.

Ignorant nonsense.

America is not a 'police state,' then or now.

And it's just as ignorant to maintain that the Espionage Act 'violates' the civil and political rights of Americans, as the Supreme Court has not ruled the Act 'un-Constitutional.' The Espionage Act was created by Congress, at the behest of the American people, where the ultimate blame for both the Espionage Act and Patriot Act rests solely with the American people, not Wilson, or any other president, or Congress.

No, the blame rests solely with those Politicians and Big Brother-Worshipping Totalitarians like you. Many other Americans vehemently oppose those Un-American acts. So i won't allow you to get away with claiming all Americans are to blame for Un-Patriotic travesties like the Patriot Act. That's solely on people like you. You're to blame.

 

[paulitician]

Is the 'Patriot Act' really so 'Patriotic?' I would say it's the most Un-Patriotic act ever perpetrated against the American People.

Woodrow Wilson signed the Espionage Act and imposed wartime restrictions on freedom of speech and expression, becoming the first President to tread on the civil and political rights of Americans. Americas slide into a police state began then, and the patriot act is stage two. Not looking forward to stage three.

Ignorant nonsense.

America is not a 'police state,' then or now.

And it's just as ignorant to maintain that the Espionage Act 'violates' the civil and political rights of Americans, as the Supreme Court has not ruled the Act 'un-Constitutional.' The Espionage Act was created by Congress, at the behest of the American people, where the ultimate blame for both the Espionage Act and Patriot Act rests solely with the American people, not Wilson, or any other president, or Congress.

Easy to say that when you haven't suffered from its use.

I like this poem, to demonstrate how naive it is to believe that passing a law to attack alleged enemies of the state isn't a slippery slope: First they came ... - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

A lot of things were not 'unconstitutional', including imprisoning Germans and Japanese Americans, and in an extreme example slavery of African Americans. Something being constitutional doesn't make it right. The sooner the Espionage Act is reformed, and the Patriot Act repealed, the better America will be.

Passing the Espionage Act and Patriot Act does not rest 'solely' with the American people, ask a lot of conservatives and liberals - they wouldn't have voted the way they did had they known the depth of powers that were granted to the government. Congress didn't even read the Patriot Act, even though it has had negative implications on the human rights of Americans, including stigmatizing the Muslim community.

Spot On. Very wise observation. Not all Americans support those Un-American travesties. Sadly, the American Sheeple are easily duped into supporting anything. Big Brother just slaps a patriotic-sounding name on it like the Patriot Act, and the Sheeple fall over themselves rushing to support it. Hopefully the People are getting wiser though. At the very least, start requiring elected officials to actually read the damn Legislation.

 

[paulitician]

Too many cops are instigating too many unnecessary confrontations these days. This one could have very well ended with another awful tragedy.

On the other hand, if the numerous Boston cops that let the Bomber Boys walk by them with backpacks had been a bit more inquisitive.....!!!

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Not apropos at all. Not in the least.

Huh?? Seriously?

 

[paulitician]

The thing about totalitarians is that they have this funny way of discovering a crime, even when one is not being committed.

Sure, you are walking with your hands in your pockets, nothing illegal about that. But you get detained by a cop having a bad day, and then you get kind of pissed and call him a fucking pig, and the next thing you know, "Obstruction of Justice".

We all need to get kind of pissed about this bullshit. Stop rolling over for these assholes. YOU are the authority.


We are letting the government sift through our mail, monitor our phone calls, study our reading habits at the library, all without so much as a fucking whimper.

Wake up!

His real 'offense' was being a Black Man walking down a street. The dirty little secret most White Americans refuse to acknowledge and address.

Link to that conclusion?

Ha, did you really ask for a 'link' for that? Seriously? This man was treated like a criminal for merely being a Black Man walking down a street. It is what it is.

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

Well, i suspect you're not a Black Man. You live in denial.

 

[paulitician]

Link to that conclusion?

Ha, did you really ask for a 'link' for that? Seriously? This man was treated like a criminal for merely being a Black Man walking down a street. It is what it is.

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

Well hey, at least he didn't politely pull out his gun and shoot the Citizen dead. So, i guess we gotta take what we can get at this point.

 

[paulitician]

His real 'offense' was being a Black Man walking down a street. The dirty little secret most White Americans refuse to acknowledge and address.

Link to that conclusion?

Ha, did you really ask for a 'link' for that? Seriously? This man was treated like a criminal for merely being a Black Man walking down a street. It is what it is.

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Are you a Police Officer?

 

[paulitician]

Ha, did you really ask for a 'link' for that? Seriously? This man was treated like a criminal for merely being a Black Man walking down a street. It is what it is.

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

I take it you're not a Black Man? Ask them how they feel about constant 'Polite' harassment. I think you'll gain a whole new perspective on the issue.

 

[The Rabbi]

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

I take it you're not a Black Man? Ask them how they feel about constant 'Polite' harassment. I think you'll gain a whole new perspective on the issue.

explain how engaging someone in conversation is harassment. I'll wait.

 

[RKMBrown]

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

I take it you're not a Black Man? Ask them how they feel about constant 'Polite' harassment. I think you'll gain a whole new perspective on the issue.

explain how engaging someone in conversation is harassment. I'll wait.

The cop was white. All white people are racist. Therefore the conversation was a racist conversation. Therefore it was harassment. Nudge.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Ha, did you really ask for a 'link' for that? Seriously? This man was treated like a criminal for merely being a Black Man walking down a street. It is what it is.

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

Listen here you stupid shit. This thread is not about me or my past. It is about the two individuals in the video. That is your second attempt to lower the conversation to personal insults. Ironically only the left continually brings up my past in these types of threads so you are in similar company i suppose?

Now that we got that out of the way lets address your contention that this is casual conversation.

1. This video doesn't take place in a coffee house, a church or any other place that people gather for social interaction. It's a fucking sidewalk in the middle of winter.

2. Walking with your hands in your pocket is not a suspicious activity.

3. Being black on a sidewalk is not a suspicious activity.

4. When the cops confronted the ranchers you were against the cops despite them having a court judgment behind them.

5. Apparently black men don't deserve the same lattitude in your opinion.

6. You're a fucking hypocrite

 

[paulitician]

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

I take it you're not a Black Man? Ask them how they feel about constant 'Polite' harassment. I think you'll gain a whole new perspective on the issue.

explain how engaging someone in conversation is harassment. I'll wait.

The cop was white. All white people are racist. Therefore the conversation was a racist conversation. Therefore it was harassment. Nudge.

I hear what you're saying, but it would be wise to try and understand a Black Man's perspective on this. They feel they're constantly treated like criminals and often harassed this way. It isn't wise to go on ignoring it. Maybe a little compassion & understanding could solve the problem. Who knows? Give it a shot.

 

[The Rabbi]

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

Listen here you stupid shit. This thread is not about me or my past. It is about the two individuals in the video. That is your second attempt to lower the conversation to personal insults. Ironically only the left continually brings up my past in these types of threads so you are in similar company i suppose?

Now that we got that out of the way lets address your contention that this is casual conversation.

1. This video doesn't take place in a coffee house, a church or any other place that people gather for social interaction. It's a fucking sidewalk in the middle of winter.

2. Walking with your hands in your pocket is not a suspicious activity.

3. Being black on a sidewalk is not a suspicious activity.

4. When the cops confronted the ranchers you were against the cops despite them having a court judgment behind them.

5. Apparently black men don't deserve the same lattitude in your opinion.

6. You're a fucking hypocrite

Gee, a little thin skinned, eh?
It wasnt an insult. You've mentioned before you were arrested and jailed. I've spoken positively about how you turned your life around after that and defended you many times.
But you have a perspective that others here lack. S o I asked, when the cops arrested you I would bet it was nothign like what the video showed. I would bet it was real authoritarian "do what we say or else." Because that is how cops treat actual criminals.
Here the cop received a complaint from citizens who had been robbed before and were afraid that someone acting suspiciously was planning on doing the same. It was a reasonable fear, given the history.
Now the cop didnt pull the guy down, search him or detain in him any way. Because he didnt have enough evidence to assume the guy was guilty. But he couldn't just let it go either, because the store owner had made a complaint. So he took a middle ground, engaging the guy in conversation to see what he would do. It was perfectly reasonable given the circumstances. The circumstances were he was not just some guy walking somewhere. He was walking back and forth in the same place outside a business that had been robbed previously. His behavior could have been consistent with casing the joint. It could have been something else too. But it was the cop's role to figure out which it was. And he did that.
Note the guy was free to go at any time. Note the guy was free to refuse to answr questions at any time. But the guy engaged the cop, hoping to catch him on tape doing something wrong. When that failed he edited the tape to make it appear like a random stop.
And you fell for it.

 

[paulitician]

None of those assertions is true. Try again.

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

Listen here you stupid shit. This thread is not about me or my past. It is about the two individuals in the video. That is your second attempt to lower the conversation to personal insults. Ironically only the left continually brings up my past in these types of threads so you are in similar company i suppose?

Now that we got that out of the way lets address your contention that this is casual conversation.

1. This video doesn't take place in a coffee house, a church or any other place that people gather for social interaction. It's a fucking sidewalk in the middle of winter.

2. Walking with your hands in your pocket is not a suspicious activity.

3. Being black on a sidewalk is not a suspicious activity.

4. When the cops confronted the ranchers you were against the cops despite them having a court judgment behind them.

5. Apparently black men don't deserve the same lattitude in your opinion.

6. You're a fucking hypocrite

Well said. Yeah sadly, if the cop had shot and killed this Citizen, posters like that one would be here screeching about how he probably deserved it. Because after all, the Police never lie, right? That's the Big Brother-Worshipper mentality.

This incident could have easily escalated to a deadly level. It happens every day in America. The man was very smart to record. At the very least, it likely saved him a Thanksgiving night in jail. Anyway, thanks for your comments.

 

[The Rabbi]

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

I take it you're not a Black Man? Ask them how they feel about constant 'Polite' harassment. I think you'll gain a whole new perspective on the issue.

explain how engaging someone in conversation is harassment. I'll wait.

The cop was white. All white people are racist. Therefore the conversation was a racist conversation. Therefore it was harassment. Nudge.

I hear what you're saying, but it would be wise to try and understand a Black Man's perspective on this. They feel they're constantly treated like criminals and often harassed this way. It isn't wise to go on ignoring it. Maybe a little compassion & understanding could solve the problem. Who knows? Give it a shot.

Who chose you to speak for all black men? What are you qualifications for this job?

 

[The Rabbi]

They appear to be true to me. Don't see how it looks any other way

The cop was very polite, walked up to him and asked to talk to him.
If I walk up to you and ask to talk to you am I treating you like a criminal? You've been treated like a criminal because you were one. Were the cops that polite to you?

Polite harassment? A new technique I guess?

How is engaging someone in conversation harassment? You'll have to explain this one.
When the cops arrested you did they engage you in conversation?

Listen here you stupid shit. This thread is not about me or my past. It is about the two individuals in the video. That is your second attempt to lower the conversation to personal insults. Ironically only the left continually brings up my past in these types of threads so you are in similar company i suppose?

Now that we got that out of the way lets address your contention that this is casual conversation.

1. This video doesn't take place in a coffee house, a church or any other place that people gather for social interaction. It's a fucking sidewalk in the middle of winter.

2. Walking with your hands in your pocket is not a suspicious activity.

3. Being black on a sidewalk is not a suspicious activity.

4. When the cops confronted the ranchers you were against the cops despite them having a court judgment behind them.

5. Apparently black men don't deserve the same lattitude in your opinion.

6. You're a fucking hypocrite

Well said. Yeah sadly, if the cop had shot and killed this Citizen, posters like that one would be here screeching about how he probably deserved it. Because after all, the Police never lie, right? That's the Big Brother-Worshipper mentality.

This incident could have easily escalated to a deadly level. It happens every day in America. The man was very smart to record. At the very least, it likely saved him a Thanksgiving night in jail. Anyway, thanks for your comments.

Or the guy could have pulled a knife and shanked the cop on film. That actually happens more often that the other way around. But cop haters like you always assume the police are really the criminals.
Maybe you have issues with authority?