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Ah, well finally, we get to the heart of your treatise, I guess, in posts 69 and 107. Not conceding that your math or figures in 107 are correct ... BUT HOW DOES THE DEMS' PROPOSED LEGISLATION AFFECT THE BEHAVIOR OF A WOMEN WITH 6 KIDS AND NO SPOUSE as described in 107? And how does the dems proposed legislation make it more likely parents with 3 kids won't work?Ok. Lets do the current math for a family of 6 with a single mom and 5 kids.
$921/mth for SNAP
$1350/mth for Child tax refund with 2 kids under 5 and 3 kids from 6-17.(300x2+250x3)
~$1000/mth - Welfare, but this varies per state
$8400 -The upcoming stimulus check based on a family of 6 from the IRS website. 1400 per person including children
Keep in mind, this person doesn't have to pay any taxes nor for housing so they are getting $3271/mth POST tax not counting the stimulus check, which they would have already received 2 others in the last 1.5 years. That is $39,252 AFTER tax income with no housing costs. Assuming rent of $1200/mth as a low average(14400/yr) and an effective tax rate of 20%, they are making the equivalent of $67k-70k/year NOT including the stimulus checks NOT to work.
Yeah, I don't think many have given this much thought but this is what is going on now. This person will likely never work if this continues nor will his/her kids as they know the system. They will have 5 kids themselves or even more. It is an endless cycle and the Democrats are pushing for even more benefits to be paid for by the working taxpayers.
That's an easy question to answer!Got any links that prove that the wealthy spend less after a tax increase?
Didn't think so, thanks for playing.
Trump was a democrat 2001-2009, then became a Republican.This is where you and I differ, Trump was never an outsider, he rubbed elbows with all these people. I say he was just one more actor playing out his role
Well I don't trust you because of your posts stating the child tax credits don't decline with income. You might debate the effects, but not when you mistate the facts.Trust me, I know all about the phase out of the child tax credit for higher earners. We have two children. Just another way the "rich" more than pay their fair share.
Thats some good math... Looks like a round about way of saying you are speculating and then showing where your speculation is coming from. I'd suggest getting your hands dirty and actually going to a shelter or low income area to volunteer so you can actually interact with a family of 5 on welfare and gain a better understanding for what their life is like... Perhaps there are better solutions than simply cutting welfare benefits
Diversity is what made us great... Otherwise we would just be England 2 which we are not. Perhaps going to Canada is a good idea for youMy family works hard and is rewarded accordingly, minus the already very high taxes we pay. I prefer this system unless the taxes continue to rise. If so, we can cut back on work and move to Canada, albeit taking a hit on the quality of life our current income affords. No reason to work simply to pay for those that won't. If I might add, the US is much more culturally diverse than Canada. Despite all the leftists blabber, that diversity actually makes it quite a bit more difficult to come together and agree to a system that works for everyone and still maintains the tenants of our society which made the US the greatest country on earth.
I don't gamble.It was if you owned dotcom stocks.
Your max on EBT is about two hundred bucks low for max with a family of 6.Nice dodge. This is not speculation, this is what they are currently making under this administration. If you are ok with that the we just don't agree.
hahahahaha... You think I was dodging in my response to your dodge of my initial questions?! I had to ask it twice because the first response you gave was only a question. Thats great. You are a funny one.Nice dodge. This is not speculation, this is what they are currently making under this administration. If you are ok with that the we just don't agree.
I simply buy facts as I see them... I don't play on the wings. I'm more Right leaning than left when it comes to government, but facts be damned, you go ahead and label awayok...you have bought into the entire left-wing narrative. I see this is going nowhere.
When you're a billionaire no one calls you a liar.Thats not possible... Trump said he was going to eliminate the debt and he followed through with all his campaign promises so there is no debt, you must be lying.
So, IOW, companies were "given" loans specifically so they could comply with a government mandate, and you are saying that is rich people getting stuff? Do you not see the separate there?Again, PPP loans are forgivable just read the articles or play stupid and act as if the sun rises in the south wealthy people did get loans that really didn't need them but again deny all you like because that doesn't make the world function.
Trump was the shittiest president I've ever seen. Biden is painful as well but he is safe and boring and isn't going to fuck up as much as Trump. And of course Trumps promises were deliberate lies, I don't think he spends more than a minute trying to figure out how things actually work. He says what he thinks sounds good and will make people cheer and then he relies on his "team" to get it done. If they don't he blames them or somebody else... Never his faultWhen you're a billionaire no one calls you a liar.
It must have been a shock to Trump that the MSM was all over his bullshit.
Trump wanted to grow the economy with tax cuts, all Republicans try that, and it always fails.
The US economy is so big it just doesn't grow more than about 2%.
Trump's 5% growth assumption was either a deliberate lie, or total ignorance.
That said, Trump is still 1,000,000x better as president that Xiden the moron.
Yep, the Laffer Curve is total bullshit:That's an easy question to answer!
Supply-side economics, Reaganomics, trickle down economics, or whatever you choose to call the same thing. That's supported by the political right.
Do you know of the Laffer curve and do you understand it?
whistlinginthewind.org
I simply buy facts as I see them... I don't play on the wings. I'm more Right leaning than left when it comes to government, but facts be damned, you go ahead and label away
And I complimented you on your math and then responded with thoughts about real life experience vs antidotal speculation. You think the family of 5 is living the good life with their benefits because of your math and how you think they are living... Then go see for yourself if your theory is true and if they really are living the good life... Why wouldn't you want to see it with your own eyes?I posted the facts about what they receive. You are attempting to make the argument that evidently that is not enough because they still have a horrible life. What more do you want us to do? Maybe if we gave them the equivalent of 150k/yr they would do better? What the heck, according to the Democrats the cost is zero as long as the "rich" pay for it.
Imo your playing loosey goosey with the dollar amounts indicates you are not to be taken seriously in your assertions that the dems plan makes it more likely that parents will get a job now than before. See posts 68 and 107.Oh ok, so give them an extra 200/mth. Puts them squarely in the 70k yearly salary range.
