[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Foxfyre]

A professor once experimented with communism in his classroom. He averaged all the grades and awarded every student the same "C". Those who hadn't studied and obviously failed the exam were thrilled. Those who had studied hard and had earned an "A" were not at all thrilled. The next exam, the average grade was "D". The good students who normally would have studied hard to make the grade didn't do as much and the slackards as usual did nothing so everybody's grade fell. And the next grade was an "F". The slackards didn't care. The good students were demanding a return to the earned reward system.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You don't think CEOs looting companies costs you?

Because you are a communist, you think all wealth belongs to the state.

Because you are a looter, you think you are entitled to that wealth.

Because you are a fool, you think that what another EARNS will lessen what you get.

Back to the 8th grade with you. Maybe when you get there you can start a Bernie Madoff fan club.

Even for class warfare, that is weak, and ignorant.

 

[kaz]

You don't think CEOs looting companies costs you?

Compared to politicians looting the treasury, it's a pittance.

And you propose to make it worse. Any power you give politicians will just give them the leverage to loot the company instead of the "CEO."

They will also bring down and attack CEOs who are not looting the company.

And the problem would be solved by itself anyway as the companies that have bad CEOs will go bankrupt and be replaced by companies who's CEO's act in their interest.

Just be honest, you don't give a crap about the CEO or the company, it's just the chance for a government power grab to you.

 

[RKMBrown]

I have asked this question of others. Never read an answer. But I bet you try. Here goes.

What departments do you want to cut and how many dollars will that save? What benefits programs do you want to cut ie, SSI, Medicare, SSDI and Government Retirement, how many dollars cut from those.

What will happen to the UE rate when tens of thousands of people lose their jobs. And how will the states provide UE to those areas with lots of government workers.

How much will the military be cut?

What will happen the GDP when government spending is subtracted from the totals?

I know that's a lot of hard questions. Must be why no one ever answers them.

To hard to do.

So when you have eliminated all these jobs and people can't find other work and you have stopped all this economic activity of the government and private contractors, when all this money is being "saved" by the government, what the hell happens then?

Isn't there something for the middle class in all this. The middle gets their jobs cut, their benes cut their expenses rise, etc etc. So where is the up side?

Just another set of bullshit deflections. This question of what to cut has been answered a million times in a million threads. What will out of work government workers do? Die or become productive.

Same as business employees whose career was given to China or India in exchange for executive bonuses.

And you are back on track again... gebuz one second you appear to understand like this post then the next you are a whacked out socialist. Are you sure you are not bi-polar?

Executive pay / bonuses is a big problem as their bosses, the owners, are currently prohibited from setting executive pay. This is an oligopoly that the government refuses to break up.

That said, we don't need to work for corporations that move our jobs to china and india. We don't need to work for corporations that have Executives with pay structures in the hundreds of millions, apparently earned for the act of off-shoring American jobs. We can run our own companies with reasonable executive pay where the owners set and approve pay and the employees are primarily based right here. Unless of course, customers don't want to buy American here in America.

 

[Foxfyre]

There are some Americans who will pay a lot more to buy American for various reasons, but most Americans are like people everywhere in the world. If quality and/or functionality matters, they will buy the best product offered at a price they can afford. If any product will do the job, they will buy the cheapest offered.

Americans were once the most productive and most skilled free market entreprenours in the world. When government stayed mostly out of the way, we had the most rapidly increasing economy and standard of living. But the more government meddling--regulation, manipulation of special interest, and increased taxes and fees--has entered into the picture, the more difficult to prosper it becomes.

If the government got out of the way and allowed the free market to work again, I have every confidence that Americans would again be the most productive and skilled entreprenours in the world, and because it would make good economic sense to do so, the investment capital and jobs would be brought back here.

 

[Gadawg73]

U

Show me a $30,000,000 per year CEO whose not looting his company.

I have little concern as to his company - that is between him, the board of directors, and the stock holders.

My concern is with gutter scum like George Soros who loots an entire nation - crushing the Bank of England - or fuckwads like Obama who give license to Blue Cross and Kaiser to rob me at gun point - with the gun held by Stasi (IRS) agents. Or Goldman Sachs to lose trillions and then use taxpayer funds to rebuild while the majority lose homes, jobs, and lives.

You don't think CEOs looting companies costs you?

Back to the 8th grade with you. Maybe when you get there you can start a Bernie Madoff fan club.

Back to the womb for you.
CEOs looting companies costs ONLY THE SHAREHOLDERS.
The shareholders own the company, not you and I. ONLY they lose money.
So you also believe corporations pay taxes I would guess.

 

[Gadawg73]

I have asked this question of others. Never read an answer. But I bet you try. Here goes.

What departments do you want to cut and how many dollars will that save? What benefits programs do you want to cut ie, SSI, Medicare, SSDI and Government Retirement, how many dollars cut from those.

What will happen to the UE rate when tens of thousands of people lose their jobs. And how will the states provide UE to those areas with lots of government workers.

How much will the military be cut?

What will happen the GDP when government spending is subtracted from the totals?

I know that's a lot of hard questions. Must be why no one ever answers them.

To hard to do.

So when you have eliminated all these jobs and people can't find other work and you have stopped all this economic activity of the government and private contractors, when all this money is being "saved" by the government, what the hell happens then?

Isn't there something for the middle class in all this. The middle gets their jobs cut, their benes cut their expenses rise, etc etc. So where is the up side?

Just another set of bullshit deflections. This question of what to cut has been answered a million times in a million threads. What will out of work government workers do? Die or become productive.

Brownie's been upset since learning that 85% of Americans still have 15% of the wealth. Goddamm Communist plot it is. He won't rest until they're starving in the streets as God expects.

They have it because either they earned it or someone legally gave it to them.
Why are you envious and jealous of those that have more money than you?

 

[bripat9643]

What we all have to divide up is what we all produce. It doesn't matter who owns the means of producing it. Workers create wealth for all of us regardless if the are using means owned by some of us or all of us.

You have just been nominated for the "Dumbest Statement of the Month" award for your entry "What we all have to divide up is what we all produce. It doesn't matter who owns the means of producing it."

Congratulations Komrade! You are setting a higher standard for stupidity

 

[bripat9643]

For people who take care of themselves you certainly do an awful lot of childish whining.

Anything I can do including whining to keep the moocher class out of my pockets.
How else do we fight the increase of the moochers and parasites?

Move to place that has no crime.

That would require you to move to a place that has no government.

 

[bripat9643]

Money can be acquired in a variety of ways.

• 
  It can be earned. Earning money is usually a result of wits and work.
  
  It can be inherited.
  
  It can be stolen.
  
  It can be begged.
  
  And it can be looted.

Of these methods, the right seeks that the first be the primary method. As a result, the right advocates for small and limited government. Less government is an advantage to entrepreneurs. To those earning money through wits and work, the less interference the better. Just get out of the way and the producers will produce. This serves everyone, as more products and services are created, along with jobs.

The method the left advocates is looting. Looting requires government. The more government, the more that can be looted. Beggars and thieves can be bribed to do the bidding of the looters. As government grows, the looter class blossoms, while the productive class dwindles. Society suffers as there is less of everything for all but the looters. The gap between those who have and those who have not widens. Unrest and dissent grow, so authoritarian measures are introduced. Corruption becomes virtue, deceit is viewed as clever.

Support whom you will, but I support the producers.

Show me a $30,000,000 per year CEO whose not looting his company.

Larry Ellison - Oracle
Elon Musk - Tesla Motors
Marissa A. Mayer - Yahoo Inc.
Ralph Lauren - Ralph Lauren Corp
Rupert Murdoch - News Corp
John J. Donahoe - Ebay Inc
Howard Schultz - Starbucks Inc.

Actually, I could just list every CEO who received over $30 million in salary, but I'd like to see you argue that the above are looting their companies. They created their companies.

 

[PMZ]

Anything I can do including whining to keep the moocher class out of my pockets.
How else do we fight the increase of the moochers and parasites?

Move to place that has no crime.

That would require you to move to a place that has no government.

Right. Perfect for an anarchist.

 

[PMZ]

What we all have to divide up is what we all produce. It doesn't matter who owns the means of producing it. Workers create wealth for all of us regardless if the are using means owned by some of us or all of us.

You have just been nominated for the "Dumbest Statement of the Month" award for your entry "What we all have to divide up is what we all produce. It doesn't matter who owns the means of producing it."

Congratulations Komrade! You are setting a higher standard for stupidity

Tell us specifically what you don't understand about what I wrote. I'll explain it to you.

 

[PMZ]

Just another set of bullshit deflections. This question of what to cut has been answered a million times in a million threads. What will out of work government workers do? Die or become productive.

Brownie's been upset since learning that 85% of Americans still have 15% of the wealth. Goddamm Communist plot it is. He won't rest until they're starving in the streets as God expects.

They have it because either they earned it or someone legally gave it to them.
Why are you envious and jealous of those that have more money than you?

You don't know what group I'm in, do you.

 

[bripat9643]

What we all have to divide up is what we all produce. It doesn't matter who owns the means of producing it. Workers create wealth for all of us regardless if the are using means owned by some of us or all of us.

You have just been nominated for the "Dumbest Statement of the Month" award for your entry "What we all have to divide up is what we all produce. It doesn't matter who owns the means of producing it."

Congratulations Komrade! You are setting a higher standard for stupidity

Tell us specifically what you don't understand about what I wrote. I'll explain it to you.

I completely understand what you wrote. That's why I nominated you for the award.

 

[PMZ]

U

I have little concern as to his company - that is between him, the board of directors, and the stock holders.

My concern is with gutter scum like George Soros who loots an entire nation - crushing the Bank of England - or fuckwads like Obama who give license to Blue Cross and Kaiser to rob me at gun point - with the gun held by Stasi (IRS) agents. Or Goldman Sachs to lose trillions and then use taxpayer funds to rebuild while the majority lose homes, jobs, and lives.

You don't think CEOs looting companies costs you?

Back to the 8th grade with you. Maybe when you get there you can start a Bernie Madoff fan club.

Back to the womb for you.
CEOs looting companies costs ONLY THE SHAREHOLDERS.
The shareholders own the company, not you and I. ONLY they lose money.
So you also believe corporations pay taxes I would guess.

How about the employees and customers? How about the other companies the company in question supplies and their customers?

What money do the shareholders lose? Some dividends if the company pays any?

Unless the stock is an IPO, all of the money shareholders pay for stock goes to the seller of the stock. Nothing goes to the company. The original shareholders own whatever means that get financed through that means.

Nobody own the company's biggest asset. The employees. That would be slavery.

 

[PMZ]

There are some Americans who will pay a lot more to buy American for various reasons, but most Americans are like people everywhere in the world. If quality and/or functionality matters, they will buy the best product offered at a price they can afford. If any product will do the job, they will buy the cheapest offered.

Americans were once the most productive and most skilled free market entreprenours in the world. When government stayed mostly out of the way, we had the most rapidly increasing economy and standard of living. But the more government meddling--regulation, manipulation of special interest, and increased taxes and fees--has entered into the picture, the more difficult to prosper it becomes.

If the government got out of the way and allowed the free market to work again, I have every confidence that Americans would again be the most productive and skilled entreprenours in the world, and because it would make good economic sense to do so, the investment capital and jobs would be brought back here.

Got any evidence? Like the evidence that I gave you showing that the problems you mention correlate with extreme wealth inequality?

 

[PMZ]

Just another set of bullshit deflections. This question of what to cut has been answered a million times in a million threads. What will out of work government workers do? Die or become productive.

Same as business employees whose career was given to China or India in exchange for executive bonuses.

And you are back on track again... gebuz one second you appear to understand like this post then the next you are a whacked out socialist. Are you sure you are not bi-polar?

Executive pay / bonuses is a big problem as their bosses, the owners, are currently prohibited from setting executive pay. This is an oligopoly that the government refuses to break up.

That said, we don't need to work for corporations that move our jobs to china and india. We don't need to work for corporations that have Executives with pay structures in the hundreds of millions, apparently earned for the act of off-shoring American jobs. We can run our own companies with reasonable executive pay where the owners set and approve pay and the employees are primarily based right here. Unless of course, customers don't want to buy American here in America.

''Executive pay / bonuses is a big problem as their bosses, the owners, are currently prohibited from setting executive pay. This is an oligopoly that the government refuses to break up.''

Most companies don't have owners. The shareholders are just gamblers betting on share price. They care nothing about the means that they own beyond getting ASAP to their target selling price. The BODs are typically other executives who agree to any compensation that will, quid pro quo, get them more money.

 

[PMZ]

Just another set of bullshit deflections. This question of what to cut has been answered a million times in a million threads. What will out of work government workers do? Die or become productive.

Brownie's been upset since learning that 85% of Americans still have 15% of the wealth. Goddamm Communist plot it is. He won't rest until they're starving in the streets as God expects.

They have it because either they earned it or someone legally gave it to them.
Why are you envious and jealous of those that have more money than you?

I'm not jealous in the least. Every day there is news about how dysfunctionally wealthy live. Jealous? Are you kidding?

 

[PMZ]

You don't think CEOs looting companies costs you?

Compared to politicians looting the treasury, it's a pittance.

And you propose to make it worse. Any power you give politicians will just give them the leverage to loot the company instead of the "CEO."

They will also bring down and attack CEOs who are not looting the company.

And the problem would be solved by itself anyway as the companies that have bad CEOs will go bankrupt and be replaced by companies who's CEO's act in their interest.

Just be honest, you don't give a crap about the CEO or the company, it's just the chance for a government power grab to you.

Evidence man, not what you wish was true.

 

[PMZ]

You don't think CEOs looting companies costs you?

Because you are a communist, you think all wealth belongs to the state.

Because you are a looter, you think you are entitled to that wealth.

Because you are a fool, you think that what another EARNS will lessen what you get.

Back to the 8th grade with you. Maybe when you get there you can start a Bernie Madoff fan club.

Even for class warfare, that is weak, and ignorant.

Class warfare is your war, not mine.