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Then prove me wrong. When was the last school shooting in the UK? Japan?These things don't happen regularly where there is strong gun control. FACT!
No. Screaming "FACT!" at the top of your digital lungs does not make it fact. It just makes you look like a petulant child without a cogent argument.
The UK and Japan have banned guns... but in their enormous abundance of foresight, they forgot that murders (school or otherwise) can be perpetrated with knives, or other weapons. When you take away one weapon, one will simply look for another.
Nice goalpost-move attempt but the topic of "mass shootings" is not the topic of "murder". Entirely different things you're trying to conflate here.
Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.
Poll: Voters think preventing gun violence is more important than protecting gun rights
A majority of voters in a new poll thinks it is more important to prevent gun violence than to protect gun rights.
This is thru 2016, and it is reported it will drop again for 2017-
View attachment 184669
And this is from the Brennan Center,
Year-End Analysis: Crime and Murder Down in 2017
“Once again crime rates remain near historic lows. This is welcome news as 2017 comes to an end, and a clear indication that claims of rising crime are unfounded,” said Ames Grawert, a counsel in the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “However, there are some cities where violence has increased, and those concerning spikes need to be better understood and addressed.”
Key findings from the analysis include:
German violent crime has once again increased.
- The overall crime rate in the 30 largest cities in 2017 is estimated to decline slightly from 2016, falling by 2.7 percent.
- The violent crime rate will also decrease slightly, by 1.1 percent, essentially remaining stable.
- The 2017 murder rate in the 30 largest cities is estimated to decline by 5.6 percent. Large decreases this year in Chicago (down 11.9 percent) and Detroit (down 9.8 percent), as well as small decreases in other cities, contributed to this decline. New York City’s murder rate will also decline again, to 3.3 killings per 100,000 people.
- Some cities are projected to see their murder rates rise, including Charlotte (54.6 percent) and Baltimore (11.3 percent).
I say, let the Civil War begin.Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.
Poll: Voters think preventing gun violence is more important than protecting gun rights
A majority of voters in a new poll thinks it is more important to prevent gun violence than to protect gun rights.
Things finally erupted when they had enough. Just like our children are now sick of seeing so many people shot and killed.So you mean after police shot an unarmed man? Something that doesn't happen in countries with strong gun control? Sorry, but your claimed cause is obviously because we have weak gun laws and too many guns. Because we have so many guns our police are regularly shot and killed. Because our police are regularly shot and killed they shoot and kill many people.Yes we can be compared to other civilized countries. I understand it doesn't work too well for you. We are 11th with only 3rd world countries ahead of us? Violent crime is up for 2 years in a row and counting. And we regularly bury our police and have mass shootings. These things don't happen regularly where there is strong gun control. FACT!We've been through this before about a dozen times. Other countries do have their problems just like we do. You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours. Our violent crime and gun crime has been on the decrease since the 90's up until the Ferguson effect kicked in. We are in 11th place when it comes to mass murders in the world.
Yes, as I said, our violent and gun crime decreased until the Ferguson Effect kicked in, and only then did it start to go up. It has nothing to do with guns, how many guns, or what type of guns. It has to do with the MSM exciting all these lowlifes and they respond.
They always did. So why the increase in gun and violence since Ferguson? More guns????
Then prove me wrong. When was the last school shooting in the UK? Japan?These things don't happen regularly where there is strong gun control. FACT!
No. Screaming "FACT!" at the top of your digital lungs does not make it fact. It just makes you look like a petulant child without a cogent argument.
The UK and Japan have banned guns... but in their enormous abundance of foresight, they forgot that murders (school or otherwise) can be perpetrated with knives, or other weapons. When you take away one weapon, one will simply look for another.
Nice goalpost-move attempt but the topic of "mass shootings" is not the topic of "murder". Entirely different things you're trying to conflate here.
Wait...
Aren't we splitting hairs here? Because shooting and murder go hand in hand, someone or some group can die as a result of a shooting. Cause and effect.
That is not a "goalpost-move".
a challenge for all of our liberal posters:
please give us the language of a bill that you believe would stop gun violence. give us the exact wording, and then explain in detail how it would stop all mass murders in the USA.
then, how about a bill to stop murders by truck, bomb, knife, hammer, baseball bat, fist. please post the legislation that you believe will fix these problems.
This is a serious request, we will anxiously await your proposed bill language.
It's the wrong question. For multiple reasons.
The first being (the base issue being mass gun slaughter), this is a cultural infection. As such it's not seriously curtailed by "bills". It's curtailed by cultural change, which is an entirely different approach.
The second reason it's the wrong question is the false comparison between the issue as stated, and "murder". "Murder" may be the legal term describing the result of mass gun slaughter but it is not the objective of the slaughterer. Even if it is the inevitable end result. Therefore it's an entirely different motivation.
The (true) murderer targets specifically. An unfaithful spouse, a cheating business partner, a witness who knows too much. Specific and personal. His objective is to take out that person/people, for reasons specific TO those people. The mass shooter has no such specificity in mind; taking advantage of any target that happens to present. Doesn't matter who it is. The mass shooter's objective is carnage; the sensory input of seeing people (again, makes no difference which people) squirm and scream and bleed and drop in powerless pain. The shooter is feeding his sensory addiction, usually out of his own real or imagined sense of powerlessness (which is why the mass shooter is virtually always a "he") with the sensory input that only a firearm can provide.
And that's exactly why we have mass shootings and not so much mass stabbings, mass poisonings, mass hammer or baseball attacks, etc. Those cannot provide the immediate sensory input a firearm can, from a remote-control safe distance, even from one's hotel room or tower perch. That's also why their weapon of choice is a specifically military infantry model designed specifically for rapidly strafing a line of "enemy" infantry armed with the same thing -- because it delivers MAXIMUM carnage --- which is what they, the mass shooter, seek. In other words we have mass gun slaughter because we have a gun culture. If we had a poisoning culture, where you couldn't flip through any TV dial or any movie theater or any video game without encountering a depiction of somebody being poisoned -- then we'd have mass poisonings. Because we would have made poisoning "cool".
Which returns us to the cultural --- if we (seriously) want to eliminate that kind of scene, then it's first necessary to remove the desire for carnage-as-drug. And to get there we have to first quit the whole fetishizing and glorification of guns, right down to the basic idea that the solution for any problem is to shoot at it and blow it up. That death-cult mentality has got to go. Starkly simple as that.
So ultimately the solution for all this is not so much legislative as spritual.
No they are not. They just aren't scared pussies like most of our men demanding big guns. When was the last school shooting in the UK? Germany? Japan? They can see the effects of weak gun laws.Things finally erupted when they had enough. Just like our children are now sick of seeing so many people shot and killed.So you mean after police shot an unarmed man? Something that doesn't happen in countries with strong gun control? Sorry, but your claimed cause is obviously because we have weak gun laws and too many guns. Because we have so many guns our police are regularly shot and killed. Because our police are regularly shot and killed they shoot and kill many people.Yes we can be compared to other civilized countries. I understand it doesn't work too well for you. We are 11th with only 3rd world countries ahead of us? Violent crime is up for 2 years in a row and counting. And we regularly bury our police and have mass shootings. These things don't happen regularly where there is strong gun control. FACT!
Yes, as I said, our violent and gun crime decreased until the Ferguson Effect kicked in, and only then did it start to go up. It has nothing to do with guns, how many guns, or what type of guns. It has to do with the MSM exciting all these lowlifes and they respond.
They always did. So why the increase in gun and violence since Ferguson? More guns????
They are being led in dog chains by the Democrat party. They're kids. WTF do they know about the world?
And what did these people have enough of, police officers protecting themselves?
This is thru 2016, and it is reported it will drop again for 2017-
View attachment 184669
And this is from the Brennan Center,
Year-End Analysis: Crime and Murder Down in 2017
“Once again crime rates remain near historic lows. This is welcome news as 2017 comes to an end, and a clear indication that claims of rising crime are unfounded,” said Ames Grawert, a counsel in the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “However, there are some cities where violence has increased, and those concerning spikes need to be better understood and addressed.”
Key findings from the analysis include:
German violent crime has once again increased.
- The overall crime rate in the 30 largest cities in 2017 is estimated to decline slightly from 2016, falling by 2.7 percent.
- The violent crime rate will also decrease slightly, by 1.1 percent, essentially remaining stable.
- The 2017 murder rate in the 30 largest cities is estimated to decline by 5.6 percent. Large decreases this year in Chicago (down 11.9 percent) and Detroit (down 9.8 percent), as well as small decreases in other cities, contributed to this decline. New York City’s murder rate will also decline again, to 3.3 killings per 100,000 people.
- Some cities are projected to see their murder rates rise, including Charlotte (54.6 percent) and Baltimore (11.3 percent).
Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.
That's because gun violence produces more dead people at the hands of unlawful gun users than do gun rights keep people from unlawfully being shot dead by unlawful gun users.Voters think preventing gun violence is more important than protecting gun rights
Absolutely. Mainly those affected by shootings support gun control. For everyone else the price of other people's school children is quite acceptable in order to maintain easy access to handguns and military style semiautomatic rifles. A bargain.All the claimed levels of support for policies which violate the Second Amendment are flat-out lies, and you know it, as do nearly all the others who are spreading them.
Crime ThreatsThis is thru 2016, and it is reported it will drop again for 2017-
View attachment 184669
And this is from the Brennan Center,
Year-End Analysis: Crime and Murder Down in 2017
“Once again crime rates remain near historic lows. This is welcome news as 2017 comes to an end, and a clear indication that claims of rising crime are unfounded,” said Ames Grawert, a counsel in the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “However, there are some cities where violence has increased, and those concerning spikes need to be better understood and addressed.”
Key findings from the analysis include:
German violent crime has once again increased.
- The overall crime rate in the 30 largest cities in 2017 is estimated to decline slightly from 2016, falling by 2.7 percent.
- The violent crime rate will also decrease slightly, by 1.1 percent, essentially remaining stable.
- The 2017 murder rate in the 30 largest cities is estimated to decline by 5.6 percent. Large decreases this year in Chicago (down 11.9 percent) and Detroit (down 9.8 percent), as well as small decreases in other cities, contributed to this decline. New York City’s murder rate will also decline again, to 3.3 killings per 100,000 people.
- Some cities are projected to see their murder rates rise, including Charlotte (54.6 percent) and Baltimore (11.3 percent).
Homicide rate
US 4.88
Germany .85
Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.
This is thru 2016, and it is reported it will drop again for 2017-
View attachment 184669
And this is from the Brennan Center,
Year-End Analysis: Crime and Murder Down in 2017
“Once again crime rates remain near historic lows. This is welcome news as 2017 comes to an end, and a clear indication that claims of rising crime are unfounded,” said Ames Grawert, a counsel in the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “However, there are some cities where violence has increased, and those concerning spikes need to be better understood and addressed.”
Key findings from the analysis include:
German violent crime has once again increased.
- The overall crime rate in the 30 largest cities in 2017 is estimated to decline slightly from 2016, falling by 2.7 percent.
- The violent crime rate will also decrease slightly, by 1.1 percent, essentially remaining stable.
- The 2017 murder rate in the 30 largest cities is estimated to decline by 5.6 percent. Large decreases this year in Chicago (down 11.9 percent) and Detroit (down 9.8 percent), as well as small decreases in other cities, contributed to this decline. New York City’s murder rate will also decline again, to 3.3 killings per 100,000 people.
- Some cities are projected to see their murder rates rise, including Charlotte (54.6 percent) and Baltimore (11.3 percent).
Here is a far left religious site you should believe:
Violent Crime in U.S. Rises for Second Consecutive Year
Violent crime, including homicides, rose for the second consecutive year in 2016, driven by increases in a few urban centers including Baltimore, Chicago and Las Vegas, according to F.B.I. data released Monday.
Violent crimes increased nationally last year by 4.1 percent and homicides rose by 8.6 percent, one year after violence increased by 3.9 percent and homicides jumped by 10.8 percent. A total of 17,250 people were murdered in 2016, the F.B.I. said.
Things finally erupted when they had enough. Just like our children are now sick of seeing so many people shot and killed.So you mean after police shot an unarmed man? Something that doesn't happen in countries with strong gun control? Sorry, but your claimed cause is obviously because we have weak gun laws and too many guns. Because we have so many guns our police are regularly shot and killed. Because our police are regularly shot and killed they shoot and kill many people.Yes we can be compared to other civilized countries. I understand it doesn't work too well for you. We are 11th with only 3rd world countries ahead of us? Violent crime is up for 2 years in a row and counting. And we regularly bury our police and have mass shootings. These things don't happen regularly where there is strong gun control. FACT!We've been through this before about a dozen times. Other countries do have their problems just like we do. You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours. Our violent crime and gun crime has been on the decrease since the 90's up until the Ferguson effect kicked in. We are in 11th place when it comes to mass murders in the world.
Yes, as I said, our violent and gun crime decreased until the Ferguson Effect kicked in, and only then did it start to go up. It has nothing to do with guns, how many guns, or what type of guns. It has to do with the MSM exciting all these lowlifes and they respond.
They always did. So why the increase in gun and violence since Ferguson? More guns????
Yeah, it did in 2016. It has dropped in 2017. Amazing, huh?This is thru 2016, and it is reported it will drop again for 2017-
View attachment 184669
And this is from the Brennan Center,
Year-End Analysis: Crime and Murder Down in 2017
“Once again crime rates remain near historic lows. This is welcome news as 2017 comes to an end, and a clear indication that claims of rising crime are unfounded,” said Ames Grawert, a counsel in the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “However, there are some cities where violence has increased, and those concerning spikes need to be better understood and addressed.”
Key findings from the analysis include:
German violent crime has once again increased.
- The overall crime rate in the 30 largest cities in 2017 is estimated to decline slightly from 2016, falling by 2.7 percent.
- The violent crime rate will also decrease slightly, by 1.1 percent, essentially remaining stable.
- The 2017 murder rate in the 30 largest cities is estimated to decline by 5.6 percent. Large decreases this year in Chicago (down 11.9 percent) and Detroit (down 9.8 percent), as well as small decreases in other cities, contributed to this decline. New York City’s murder rate will also decline again, to 3.3 killings per 100,000 people.
- Some cities are projected to see their murder rates rise, including Charlotte (54.6 percent) and Baltimore (11.3 percent).
Here is a far left religious site you should believe:
Violent Crime in U.S. Rises for Second Consecutive Year
Violent crime, including homicides, rose for the second consecutive year in 2016, driven by increases in a few urban centers including Baltimore, Chicago and Las Vegas, according to F.B.I. data released Monday.
Violent crimes increased nationally last year by 4.1 percent and homicides rose by 8.6 percent, one year after violence increased by 3.9 percent and homicides jumped by 10.8 percent. A total of 17,250 people were murdered in 2016, the F.B.I. said.
I don't see their children regularly being shot and killed.Except the experience of every other developed nation shows it reduces gun violence to a fraction of that of the US'.Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.
But we aren't "every other nation", nor do we want to be. Every other nation doesn't have the same constitutional right to defend themselves. That's why "every other nation" has been subject to hundreds of years of world war, genocide, revolution, despotism, wholesale slaughter, and tyranny.
