Porn is ok but safety of children is not.

[Larkinn]

Hey, who is the fucking public LIBRARY to tell you what you can and naccot do with your own body, right buddy?

uh, as a matter of fact, thats exactly what happens when we vote for congressional representation. Way to keep up, dude.

Yeah, you are voting for SOMEONE ELSE to decide. Genius.

Like I said, you must REALLY hate elections. But, since you wanna wear your jester clownsuit today:


Appeal to Popularity
Explanation

Appeals to popularity suggest that an idea must be true simply because it is widely held. This is a fallacy because popular opinion can be, and quite often is, mistaken. Hindsight makes this clear: there were times when the majority of the population believed that the Earth is the still centre of the universe, and that diseases are caused by evil spirits; neither of these ideas was true, despite its popularity.
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/appealtopopularity.html

Umm, yeah, and thats what you are doing.

Who said anything about NUDITY? We've been talking about obscenity. I just busted you trying to switch the vocab!

HA!

After all, NETPORn sure is just a simple matter of NUDITY!

I asked for a definition of what couldn't be allowed on public computers and you said.

sure. no nudity or sexually explicit images allowed on public library computers.

uh, when did I ever suggest David was obscene. QUOTE me, sucker.

Again, dumbass.

sure. no nudity or sexually explicit images allowed on public library computers.

You are useless. Get some intelligence and some decent things to say and then come back.

 

[Larkinn]

hmmm? You seem to be arguing rather passionately for something you don't even know you support???

Who said I don't support it? I just am unsure if it is constitutional. Anyway I've stated numerous times the reason behind my hesitancy on the issue.

 

[mattskramer]

I think the whole thing is a stupid argument. I don't think libraries are "obligated" to provide anything to people. It's a community service, for Pete's sakes, a privilege, paid for by the community. The community dictates how big it is, what it provides. Every library has a list of items they don't provide to the public.

It's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. It's not like they make it so nobody can access porn anywhere....

This reminds me of a heated debate that my community had when my library wanted to display pro-homosexual exhibits: books, pamphlets by GLADD, etc. Oh. Don’t worry. The library also had ant-homosexual books and stuff. The right-wingers were having a temper-tantrum. They went to town meeting. They raised hell. They finally bullied the library into not having “gay day”.

I think of public libraries this way: Either they should be as inclusive as possible. Provide all sorts of information and access to images, etc. Otherwise, they should be exclusive. Any time that someone is offended by something, they should remove it.

Now, what would be the outcome? An inclusive library would be gigantic. A restrictive library would shrink into nothingness.

 

[Shogun]

Larkin, if you are going to be stupid enough to confuse

with

www.ampland.com

then perhaps you need to take an internal look at yourself and figure out why THIS is what your eyes float back to.

I wouldn't have even wasted my time today if I had known that the FLAGSHIP rebuttal would become equating a fucking sculpture from one of humanity's greatest artists with any slut plugging her holes with dick.

 

[mattskramer]

Larkin, if you are going to be stupid enough to confuse

with

www.ampland.com

then perhaps you need to take an internal look at yourself and figure out why THIS is what your eyes float back to.

I wouldn't have even wasted my time today if I had known that the FLAGSHIP rebuttal would become equating a fucking sculpture from one of humanity's greatest artists with any slut plugging her holes with dick.

What about this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/01/29/statues.htm

The US Justice Department has spent $8,000 on curtains to hide the statue from the cameras.

 

[Larkinn]

So where is the line again Shogun?

You got pwned, bitch. Give it up.

 

[mattskramer]

Well?

 

[dread]

I don't have a defined argument on this issue.

I think that libraries must have internet access. But I am hesitant to allow public libraries to use public money to censor allegedly indecent items for public well being.

Last time I checked kiddie porn was illegal.

 

[Larkinn]

Last time I checked kiddie porn was illegal.

So is rape, murder, and sedition. Want to list more things that are illegal that we aren't talking about?

 

[dread]

So is rape, murder, and sedition. Want to list more things that are illegal that we aren't talking about?

But you are talking about porn, on the internet, that you think should be allowed for public consumption. Kiddie porn is illegal. And if you allow porn then you have illegal shit.


But hey it is all good because I am sure when you have kids you would just love having your daughter watch it right?

Lets see guys fucking animals

Girls squirting over each other.

Girls getting gang banged

Anal rapes

Guys fucking 2 year olds


Because that is the kind of parent you will be.

 

[Larkinn]

But you are talking about porn, on the internet, that you think should be allowed for public consumption. Kiddie porn is illegal. And if you allow porn then you have illegal shit.

And if you have illegal shit, arrest them. Simple as that.

But hey it is all good because I am sure when you have kids you would just love having your daughter watch it right?

Lets see guys fucking animals

Girls squirting over each other.

Girls getting gang banged

Anal rapes

Guys fucking 2 year olds


Because that is the kind of parent you will be.

For people who want porn to be purely private, you guys sure are enjoying talking graphically and spewing porn sites on a PG site.

 

[manifold]

So where is the line again ...?

If you are looking for an everything fits perfectly, it's all black and white line, then I should tell you that you aren't going to find one. But that's hardly a valid reason to defend the position that there should be no line. Honestly, whenever anyone resorts to that tact in a policy debate, it usually means their all out of ammo. The practical answer is quite simple. You empower someone or someones, at the local level, to use their best judgement to determine what should be filtered. And you implement a process by which their decisions are reviewed and can be challenged.

If you want to invoke the slippery slope argument, that's substantively different from the where to draw the line argument. However, I don't really see much of a slope in this particular instance, and I'm a slippery slope hawk when it comes to civil liberties.

 

[mattskramer]

Last time I checked kiddie porn was illegal.

I don’t think that we are talking about child porn.

 

[dread]

I don’t think that we are talking about child porn.

If you are talking about porn well then child porn is part of the whole kit and kaboodle. You dont have porn without it. Porn doesn't JUST have two consenting adults.

 

[Larkinn]

If you are looking for an everything fits perfectly, it's all black and white line, then I should tell you that you aren't going to find one. But that's hardly a valid reason to defend the position that there should be no line. Honestly, whenever anyone resorts to that tact in a policy debate, it usually means their all out of ammo. The practical answer is quite simple. You empower someone or someones, at the local level, to use their best judgement to determine what should be filtered. And you implement a process by which their decisions are reviewed and can be challenged.

If you want to invoke the slippery slope argument, that's substantively different from the where to draw the line argument. However, I don't really see much of a slope in this particular instance, and I'm a slippery slope hawk when it comes to civil liberties.

I know there is no bright line. Shogun seems to think that there is and its completely obvious whats porn and whats not.

 

[Larkinn]

If you are talking about porn well then child porn is part of the whole kit and kaboodle. You dont have porn without it. Porn doesn't JUST have two consenting adults.

No, its really not. Generally when someone talks about porn they are talking about legal porn, not child porn.

 

[AllieBaba]

Once again. Just because it's legal doesn't mean the library is obligated to provide it. It's up to the patrons of the library and the tax payers.

 

[Shogun]

I know there is no bright line. Shogun seems to think that there is and its completely obvious whats porn and whats not.

When comparing David to www.doopthroathoneys.com


yea, dude. only a fucking idiot would reach for the same arguement that ferlinghetti used.

 

[Ravi]

No, its really not. Generally when someone talks about porn they are talking about legal porn, not child porn.

How do you filter out one and not the other?

 

[AllieBaba]

Sounds like a lot of unnecessary work. If you wanna read porn, go to an adult book shop. Don't expect the libraries to foot the bill.