Portland truck attack suspect arrested

[Coyote]

Quite possible that the DA will drop the charges. They've dropped a lot of charges against this lot.

I wonder if the DA does that the people will start taking to vigilantism for self protection?

Vigilantism is just another word for mob justice. You know, like what this mob does.

It works...........and only is needed if the system of justice breaks down.....................and in DNC run places ordering police to stand down............and DA's that cherry pick what they will charge...........

This shit ends when these people get a taste of their own medicine........in other areas of the country they tried it........didn't turn out well for them.............because WHERE I COME FROM...........they get educated VERY QUICKLY.

No. It doesn’t work. It completely avoids the the law, the justice system, our right a jury trial, the protections and presumptions of innocence we are supposed to be granted.

Vigilantism is mob justice where the color of your skin is enough to prove tbe crime whether it is the by the mob who pulled a white man from a car or the men who followed, ambushed and shot a black man jogging in a white neighborhood.

Have to laugh though. Though you guys were the law and order folks...but I see far more posts advocating Violence, whether it is shooting protestors for trespassing or...vigilante “justice” from the right than I do from the left supporting Riots. Don’t see much support for that at all.

People, white people, are being arrested for defending themselves. The law, the legal system has been corrupted by democrats.

The cops are protecting the mobs from the people and working with them to help them break the law.

And nowhere does she condemn this.

As usual, you lie. Are you going to frantically shift the goalposts?

Really? Provide the link where you came out and condemned this. Not as part of a packaged deal, but show the audience where you simply condemned this thug

Frigging READ the thread. Post #2.

Wow! I almost missed how angry you got in that post! I sure felt the empathy for the poor guy whose head was treated like a football.

Wow. Now you are just trolling.

 

[westwall]

Quite possible that the DA will drop the charges. They've dropped a lot of charges against this lot.

I wonder if the DA does that the people will start taking to vigilantism for self protection?

Vigilantism is just another word for mob justice. You know, like what this mob does.

It works...........and only is needed if the system of justice breaks down.....................and in DNC run places ordering police to stand down............and DA's that cherry pick what they will charge...........

This shit ends when these people get a taste of their own medicine........in other areas of the country they tried it........didn't turn out well for them.............because WHERE I COME FROM...........they get educated VERY QUICKLY.

No. It doesn’t work. It completely avoids the the law, the justice system, our right a jury trial, the protections and presumptions of innocence we are supposed to be granted.

Vigilantism is mob justice where the color of your skin is enough to prove tbe crime whether it is the by the mob who pulled a white man from a car or the men who followed, ambushed and shot a black man jogging in a white neighborhood.

Have to laugh though. Though you guys were the law and order folks...but I see far more posts advocating Violence, whether it is shooting protestors for trespassing or...vigilante “justice” from the right than I do from the left supporting Riots. Don’t see much support for that at all.

When the government through corruption, or incompetence, refuses to protect the people, the people WILL, protect themselves.

That is simple reality.


And why do you inject race into this? Race has NOTHING to do with desiring to protect your family.

Any one with a knowledge of history knows race has been a factor and outside of race. .many innocent people have been murdered by vigilante "justice". Who gives you tbe right to be judge jury and executioner? What if you are wrong about the person you execute or beat up? What makes you any different then than the man who pulled the guy from the car and meted out his version of "justice"? And by the way...I didnt bring race into it. It was ALREADY brought in when someone pointed out the victim was white and the assaulter black.

I have an extensive knowledge of history and the reality is the western vigilance committees were not racist in any way. The "victims" of their justice were overwhelmingly white.

I think instead of your very shallow history knowledge you should do some research on the subject. Elton mentioned the Sydney Ducks of San Francisco. These were 3,000 gang members, mainly from Australia, who during the 1850's would set fire to the neighborhoods of San Francisco and then loot them before the flames destroyed everything after the people who lived there had fled the flames. This went on for a number of years until the San Francisco vigilance committee formed and destroyed them.

No racism, just a bunch of hard working people who had had enough. Racism is the last cry of the ignorant. And that is born out by massive amounts of scholarly research that shows the western States vigilantes were far from racist.

YOU need to stop making ignorant claims.

Westwall. I AM aware of history. I did not BRING race into it. It was already there brought up SPECIFICALY by the poster who advocated retaliatory violence against blacks. Did you MISS that bit on your haste.

I do not CARE what the race is of either the victimq or perpetrator is becaise the end result is the same.

Your knowledge of history ought to show you that, historicaly, race was significant factor in a portion of vigilante "justice". You cant ignore. You also cant ignore the many innocent victims of this extra judicial violence.

Who are they accountable to?

Who determines guilt?

Because rumor has it that.....? Everyone knows...that guy was always kind of weird....he looks at kids funny...he must have...where there is smoke there is fire...it was on twitter...why dont the police do anything....we need to DO something!

For everything they were legitimately right as aggrieved citizens (if can ever call lawlessness legitimate) there are 20 or more innocent victims.

When you have someone advocating going after "negros" in retaliation for a black man pulling an innocent white man out of a car and beating him (which was said by another poster) ...then you are just another lawless mob, no different than the one you are condemning.

Your claim about race being a significant factor in vigilante justice is a LIE. A well proven lie. The KKK and their terrorist attacks against blacks is not what we are talking about. We are talking about civilians being FORCED to take the law into their own hands because the government won't do their job for whatever reason. I suggest you read a book called "Gunfighters, Highwaymen, and Vigilantes" it is a scholarly study of western violence, and vigilantism in the most violent city in the west. Bodie California.

That is just one scholarly look at vigilantism, and how all the things you have been told are an outright lie. There are many others. Like i said, I have been studying violence in general for a very long time. The people are getting fed up and the backlash is going to be terrible. You ask some valid questions, questions that you SHOULD be asking the authorities in those cities that are allowing the cities they supposedly protect, to burn.

And you allow yourself to paint a broad brush against anyone who is opposite you because of one racist jackass. BLM is CLEARLY racist and nary a peep from you.

Westwall, I am not broad brushing anything. And I am not talking about the kkk. I am talking ordinary people who THINK they are right and act on it, outside the law.

Once you start that....who determines guilt? And how? And what if they are wrong?

Can you address that?

It's pretty easy to determine guilt when a rioter is caught in the act, don't you think? It is easy to determine guilt when a person invades you home. Don't you think? it is easy to determine guilt when a person attacks someone and you have multiple videos to prove it. Don't you think?

If some asshole were to attack you for no apparent reason while we were walking our dogs together, I can assure you that i wouldn't wait for the DA to determine if he was guilty or not. i would DEFEND you from an attack. That is what is going to start happening. Some asshole, is going to try and burn some poor business persons building down, and he is going to shoot that asshole.

THAT is what the end result of this wholesale abandonment of the cities by the authorities is going to lead. And nowhere do we hear the Democrat establishment condemning these actions.

NO WHERE!

 

[Coyote]

BTW, That was sarcasm

I must have missed that in trying to keep track of your goalposts. So now it is not enough to condemn it but I must wail like a banshee, tear my hair out and call for mass murder. Let me know when your next major goal post move is. In the meantime...unlike you apparently...I am glad to see him under arrest.

 

[Coyote]

Quite possible that the DA will drop the charges. They've dropped a lot of charges against this lot.

I wonder if the DA does that the people will start taking to vigilantism for self protection?

Vigilantism is just another word for mob justice. You know, like what this mob does.

It works...........and only is needed if the system of justice breaks down.....................and in DNC run places ordering police to stand down............and DA's that cherry pick what they will charge...........

This shit ends when these people get a taste of their own medicine........in other areas of the country they tried it........didn't turn out well for them.............because WHERE I COME FROM...........they get educated VERY QUICKLY.

No. It doesn’t work. It completely avoids the the law, the justice system, our right a jury trial, the protections and presumptions of innocence we are supposed to be granted.

Vigilantism is mob justice where the color of your skin is enough to prove tbe crime whether it is the by the mob who pulled a white man from a car or the men who followed, ambushed and shot a black man jogging in a white neighborhood.

Have to laugh though. Though you guys were the law and order folks...but I see far more posts advocating Violence, whether it is shooting protestors for trespassing or...vigilante “justice” from the right than I do from the left supporting Riots. Don’t see much support for that at all.

When the government through corruption, or incompetence, refuses to protect the people, the people WILL, protect themselves.

That is simple reality.


And why do you inject race into this? Race has NOTHING to do with desiring to protect your family.

Any one with a knowledge of history knows race has been a factor and outside of race. .many innocent people have been murdered by vigilante "justice". Who gives you tbe right to be judge jury and executioner? What if you are wrong about the person you execute or beat up? What makes you any different then than the man who pulled the guy from the car and meted out his version of "justice"? And by the way...I didnt bring race into it. It was ALREADY brought in when someone pointed out the victim was white and the assaulter black.

I have an extensive knowledge of histtory and the reality is the western vigilance committees were not racist in any way. The "victims" of their justice were overwhelmingly white.

I think instead of your very shallow history knowledge you should do some research on the subject. Elton mentioned the Sydney Ducks of San Francisco. These were 3,000 gang members, mainly from Australia, who during the 1850's would set fire to the neighborhoods of San Francisco and then loot them before the flames destroyed everything after the people who lived there had fled the flames. This went on for a number of years until the San Francisco vigilance committee formed and destroyed them.

No racism, just a bunch of hard working people who had had enough. Racism is the last cry of the ignorant. And that is born out by massive amounts of scholarly research that shows the western States vigilantes were far from racist.

YOU need to stop making ignorant claims.

Westwall. I AM aware of history. I did not BRING race into it. It was already there brought up SPECIFICALY by the poster who advocated retaliatory violence against blacks. Did you MISS that bit on your haste.

I do not CARE what the race is of either the victimq or perpetrator is becaise the end result is the same.

Your knowledge of history ought to show you that, historicaly, race was significant factor in a portion of vigilante "justice". You cant ignore. You also cant ignore the many innocent victims of this extra judicial violence.

Who are they accountable to?

Who determines guilt?

Because rumor has it that.....? Everyone knows...that guy was always kind of weird....he looks at kids funny...he must have...where there is smoke there is fire...it was on twitter...why dont the police do anything....we need to DO something!

For everything they were legitimately right as aggrieved citizens (if can ever call lawlessness legitimate) there are 20 or more innocent victims.

When you have someone advocating going after "negros" in retaliation for a black man pulling an innocent white man out of a car and beating him (which was said by another poster) ...then you are just another lawless mob, no different than the one you are condemning.

Your claim about race being a significant factor in vigilante justice is a LIE. A well proven lie. The KKK and their terrorist attacks against blacks is not what we are talking about. We are talking about civilians being FORCED to take the law into their own hands because the government won't do their job for whatever reason. I suggest you read a book called "Gunfighters, Highwaymen, and Vigilantes" it is a scholarly study of western violence, and vigilantism in the most violent city in the west. Bodie California.

That is just one scholarly look at vigilantism, and how all the things you have been told are an outright lie. There are many others. Like i said, I have been studying violence in general for a very long time. The people are getting fed up and the backlash is going to be terrible. You ask some valid questions, questions that you SHOULD be asking the authorities in those cities that are allowing the cities they supposedly protect, to burn.

And you allow yourself to paint a broad brush against anyone who is opposite you because of one racist jackass. BLM is CLEARLY racist and nary a peep from you.

Westwall, I am not broad brushing anything. And I am not talking about the kkk. I am talking ordinary people who THINK they are right and act on it, outside the law.

Once you start that....who determines guilt? And how? And what if they are wrong?

Can you address that?

It's pretty easy to determine guilt when a rioter is caught in the act, don't you think? It is easy to determine guilt when a person invades you home. Don't you think? it is easy to determine guilt when a person attacks someone and you have multiple videos to prove it. Don't you think?

If some asshole were to attack you for no apparent reason while we were walking our dogs together, I can assure you that i wouldn't wait for the DA to determine if he was guilty or not. i would DEFEND you from an attack. That is what is going to start happening. Some asshole, is going to try and burn some poor business persons building down, and he is going to shoot that asshole.

THAT is what the end result of this wholesale abandonment of the cities by the authorities is going to lead. And nowhere do we hear the Democrat establishment condemning these actions.

NO WHERE!

I dont agree that it is that easy to determine guilt, because people, ESPECIALLY in a mob (whether it is a mob rioting or a mob exacting justice on rioters) don't behave rationally.

And justice needs to be rational and unemotional. That is why we have trained law enforcement (and no, I am not anti police), courts, judges and juries.

You know how it worked with Ahmed Arbery? 3 "vigilantes" decided to take justice into their own hands because the decided this guy was responsjble for some robberies, they followed him, ambushed him, and in the encounter ended up killing him.

That is the other side of the vigilante coin you want to ignore.

 

[Coyote]

westwall...are we talking about two different things?

Self defense (or immediate defense of another)...

Or..taking the law into your own hands and meting out justice?

Because imo those are two different things. The first, I agree with you on and the law recognizes it as valid. That is not vigilantism.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

BTW, That was sarcasm

I must ha e missed that in trying to keep track of your goalposts. So now it is not enough to condemn it but I must wail like a banshee, tear my hair out and call for nass murder. Let me know when your next major goal post move is. In the meantime...unlike you apparently...I am glad to see him under arrest.

The point is, I read past your "condemnation" because you simply, and unempathetically declared "he should go to jail." Sorry, but if a white guy did that to an innocent black man or a muzzy, we all know YOU would be the first to declare it a racial attack and there would be a whole lot more emotion in your post.

 

[westwall]

Quite possible that the DA will drop the charges. They've dropped a lot of charges against this lot.

I wonder if the DA does that the people will start taking to vigilantism for self protection?

Vigilantism is just another word for mob justice. You know, like what this mob does.

It works...........and only is needed if the system of justice breaks down.....................and in DNC run places ordering police to stand down............and DA's that cherry pick what they will charge...........

This shit ends when these people get a taste of their own medicine........in other areas of the country they tried it........didn't turn out well for them.............because WHERE I COME FROM...........they get educated VERY QUICKLY.

No. It doesn’t work. It completely avoids the the law, the justice system, our right a jury trial, the protections and presumptions of innocence we are supposed to be granted.

Vigilantism is mob justice where the color of your skin is enough to prove tbe crime whether it is the by the mob who pulled a white man from a car or the men who followed, ambushed and shot a black man jogging in a white neighborhood.

Have to laugh though. Though you guys were the law and order folks...but I see far more posts advocating Violence, whether it is shooting protestors for trespassing or...vigilante “justice” from the right than I do from the left supporting Riots. Don’t see much support for that at all.

When the government through corruption, or incompetence, refuses to protect the people, the people WILL, protect themselves.

That is simple reality.


And why do you inject race into this? Race has NOTHING to do with desiring to protect your family.

Any one with a knowledge of history knows race has been a factor and outside of race. .many innocent people have been murdered by vigilante "justice". Who gives you tbe right to be judge jury and executioner? What if you are wrong about the person you execute or beat up? What makes you any different then than the man who pulled the guy from the car and meted out his version of "justice"? And by the way...I didnt bring race into it. It was ALREADY brought in when someone pointed out the victim was white and the assaulter black.

I have an extensive knowledge of histtory and the reality is the western vigilance committees were not racist in any way. The "victims" of their justice were overwhelmingly white.

I think instead of your very shallow history knowledge you should do some research on the subject. Elton mentioned the Sydney Ducks of San Francisco. These were 3,000 gang members, mainly from Australia, who during the 1850's would set fire to the neighborhoods of San Francisco and then loot them before the flames destroyed everything after the people who lived there had fled the flames. This went on for a number of years until the San Francisco vigilance committee formed and destroyed them.

No racism, just a bunch of hard working people who had had enough. Racism is the last cry of the ignorant. And that is born out by massive amounts of scholarly research that shows the western States vigilantes were far from racist.

YOU need to stop making ignorant claims.

Westwall. I AM aware of history. I did not BRING race into it. It was already there brought up SPECIFICALY by the poster who advocated retaliatory violence against blacks. Did you MISS that bit on your haste.

I do not CARE what the race is of either the victimq or perpetrator is becaise the end result is the same.

Your knowledge of history ought to show you that, historicaly, race was significant factor in a portion of vigilante "justice". You cant ignore. You also cant ignore the many innocent victims of this extra judicial violence.

Who are they accountable to?

Who determines guilt?

Because rumor has it that.....? Everyone knows...that guy was always kind of weird....he looks at kids funny...he must have...where there is smoke there is fire...it was on twitter...why dont the police do anything....we need to DO something!

For everything they were legitimately right as aggrieved citizens (if can ever call lawlessness legitimate) there are 20 or more innocent victims.

When you have someone advocating going after "negros" in retaliation for a black man pulling an innocent white man out of a car and beating him (which was said by another poster) ...then you are just another lawless mob, no different than the one you are condemning.

Your claim about race being a significant factor in vigilante justice is a LIE. A well proven lie. The KKK and their terrorist attacks against blacks is not what we are talking about. We are talking about civilians being FORCED to take the law into their own hands because the government won't do their job for whatever reason. I suggest you read a book called "Gunfighters, Highwaymen, and Vigilantes" it is a scholarly study of western violence, and vigilantism in the most violent city in the west. Bodie California.

That is just one scholarly look at vigilantism, and how all the things you have been told are an outright lie. There are many others. Like i said, I have been studying violence in general for a very long time. The people are getting fed up and the backlash is going to be terrible. You ask some valid questions, questions that you SHOULD be asking the authorities in those cities that are allowing the cities they supposedly protect, to burn.

And you allow yourself to paint a broad brush against anyone who is opposite you because of one racist jackass. BLM is CLEARLY racist and nary a peep from you.

Westwall, I am not broad brushing anything. And I am not talking about the kkk. I am talking ordinary people who THINK they are right and act on it, outside the law.

Once you start that....who determines guilt? And how? And what if they are wrong?

Can you address that?

It's pretty easy to determine guilt when a rioter is caught in the act, don't you think? It is easy to determine guilt when a person invades you home. Don't you think? it is easy to determine guilt when a person attacks someone and you have multiple videos to prove it. Don't you think?

If some asshole were to attack you for no apparent reason while we were walking our dogs together, I can assure you that i wouldn't wait for the DA to determine if he was guilty or not. i would DEFEND you from an attack. That is what is going to start happening. Some asshole, is going to try and burn some poor business persons building down, and he is going to shoot that asshole.

THAT is what the end result of this wholesale abandonment of the cities by the authorities is going to lead. And nowhere do we hear the Democrat establishment condemning these actions.

NO WHERE!

I dont agree that it is that easy to determine guilt, because people, ESPECIALLY in a mob (whether it is a mob rioting or a mob exacting justice on rioters) don't behave rationally.

And justice needs to be rational and unemotional. That is why we have trained law enforcement (and no, I am not anti police), courts, judges and juries.

You know how it worked with Ahmed Arbery? 3 "vigilantes" decided to take justice into their own hands because the decided this guy was responsjble for some robberies, they followed him, ambushed him, and in the encounter ended up killing him.

That is the other side of the vigilante coin you want to ignore.

Coyote, I am not talking about justice. I am talking about simple defense of self, and property. The racist pieces of shit who killed Arbury were not acting as vigilantes, they were hunting him for sport. They deserve to be hung for their crime. You continuously conflate racist assholes with vigilantism and they ARE NOT related.

 

[westwall]

westwall...are we talking about two different things?

Self defense (or immediate defense of another)...

Or..taking the law into your own hands and meting out justice?

Because imo those are two different things. The first, I agree with you on and the law recognizes it as valid. That is not vigilantism.

Vigilantism begins with self defense. When the State refuses to defend the people, the people are going to defends themselves. Then, if the State CONTINUES to do nothing, the vigilantes will mete out justice. They will do so under control however. Your interpretation of vigilante justice is completely wrong. In all the cases in the west where it was used, the accused was duly tried, had a jury determine guilt, and then was summarily hanged for the crimes they were convicted of. The vigilantes rose up ONLY as a last resort.

They then disbanded. That was true in all cases. Unlike what progressives claim, the regular people are not the bloodthirsty mob you claim them to be. They are NOT the BLM assholes who are doing exactly that! That sort of behavior is a LEFTIST thing. Not a normal human being thing.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If the victim had been a black man attacked in a strongly red state or city you can bet everyone would be insisting President Trump comment on it.

Because th context is different. Look to history, current events, etc. This is a stupid point.

What in the fuck are you talking about dumb ass
THERE'S NO FUCKING CONTEXT NEEDED
YOU EITHER ASSAULTED SOMEONE OR YOU DIDN'T
All that's right context translates to justification

 

[JoeB131]

No, he is the innocent man who was violently attacked by democrats for no reason.

We don't know what the reasons were, because we didn't see what led up to it.

My guess, he's some guy picking up Tranny Hookers on the Downlow, and panicked and tried to run some folks over.

 

[JoeB131]

You should watch the video. We know exactly why he was attacked. Democrats were robbing a transgender person and he stuck up for her, so they attacked him next.

Really, where is that on the tape... All we see is the aftermath where he and his Tranny friend crashed their truck.

 

[Godboy]

No, he is the innocent man who was violently attacked by democrats for no reason.

We don't know what the reasons were, because we didn't see what led up to it.

My guess, he's some guy picking up Tranny Hookers on the Downlow, and panicked and tried to run some folks over.

No, there is a full video and witness acounts.

 

[Godboy]

You should watch the video. We know exactly why he was attacked. Democrats were robbing a transgender person and he stuck up for her, so they attacked him next.

Really, where is that on the tape... All we see is the aftermath where he and his Tranny friend crashed their truck.

Nope, you can watch the tranny get robbed and everything. Its all there on youtube if you look for it. She starts threatening to kill herself after being beaten and robbed. It was pretty heartbreaking to watch.

 

[JoeB131]

So if you watched the video then you must have noticed that they swarmed his truck as soon as he got in and started it. You also must have noticed that as he was trying to drive away, he kept honking his horn and moving in fits and starts so as not to run over anyone. Once it was clear there was no one in front of the truck, that's when he gunned it and drove off.

You noticed all this, right?

Nope, didn't notice that at all... I noticed some racist asshole getting his ass kicked after he tried to run down some black people. That's what I saw.

Hey, maybe Trump can give this guy a speaking role at the RNC like Smirky McBitchslap and the Gun-Toting McCloskeys...

 

[JoeB131]

Nope, you can watch the tranny get robbed and everything. Its all there on youtube if you look for it. She starts threatening to kill herself after being beaten and robbed. It was pretty heartbreaking to watch.

Like your sort would be heartbroken if a tranny killed herself...

 

[Godboy]

Nope, you can watch the tranny get robbed and everything. Its all there on youtube if you look for it. She starts threatening to kill herself after being beaten and robbed. It was pretty heartbreaking to watch.

Like your sort would be heartbroken if a tranny killed herself...

Im an atheist who has no beef with gay or trans people. Im much more sympathetic to trans people than you think.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

The report was on Russian RT and FOX News — FOX said the event happened “just a few blocks away” from a BLM protest ... in other words NOT part of whatever “protest” they are talking about. Every asshole in America is taking pictures of every other asshole doing stupid shit — in this case utterly criminal shit — and then blaming BLM, or whoever they hate. FOX videos and reports of “BLM” criminals like this, and looters as being BLM “activists,” is just not credible to me, but of course asshole criminals may claim to be innocent BLM protesters to get sympathy.

That asshole should and no doubt will be prosecuted. He apparently has a record, including domestic violence, and the guy he attacked claims he was helping a transgender person (a BLM person?). The bad guy was identified by numerous community people, including no doubt supporters of BLM, before he was forced to “turn himself in.” Most if not all BLM organizers and activists in Portland are no doubt horrified by such criminality. You won’t hear on FOX any interviews with those BLM people who denounce such violence. Obviously.

He was wearing a vest that said "Security" on the back. So who was he working security for (and I use that word loosely) if not BLM or Antifa?

So now any asshole who buys a vest that reads “SECURITY” is automatically working to establish security? And this “security” has to be interpreted as being for BLM too? Even though he was blocks away from a reported protest? This just seems to show how gullible you are, how easy it is for criminal elements or even paid provocateurs to instigate violence, and then have it broadcast as BLM or Antifa or pro-Democrat ... by Russian trolls or FOX news.

I don’t really bother watching all the unending coverage of violence, looting or fistfights in parking lots over MAGA hats, nuts spewing racist epithets or liberal loons fighting over pronouns on campuses. This is all, pro and con, used in utterly propagandistic ways. Everything now is filmed on somebody’s phone and fed into the mass media spin machine.

You arent REALLY trying to imply this guy wasnt "protesting" for BLM, are you? That would be fucking insane and also a very dumb move to make in a debate with rational people.

I’m not sure how sane you are! Personally, I have no idea if this criminal dipshit called himself a supporter of BLM — or a supporter of MLK or Malcolm X for that matter. The culprit looks to me like an ordinary white or minority criminal, a paid or (more likely) unpaid provocateur. What he did should be fully prosecuted. For all I know the defenseless guy who supposedly stopped to help a “transgendered” victim of a supposed robbery ... was himself a BLM sympathizer. No leading activist of BLM has supported either such robberies or this type of wanton violence against innocents.

And yet, there has been violence and looting at a majority of BLM marches and protests from the beginning.

Of course BLM is going to say they don't condone violence and I'm sure that, officially, they don't. However, I don't see much from BLM in the way of condemnation of violent acts by BLM members.

There appears to be no organization and leadership to these marches. As a result, a carnival atmosphere is the inevitable result.

If almost all the protesters are peaceful, why arent they stopping the few trouble makers?

You would think that if they had the logistics and personnel to loot and burn a city they could spare a few guys to stop the troublemakers...

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

So if you watched the video then you must have noticed that they swarmed his truck as soon as he got in and started it. You also must have noticed that as he was trying to drive away, he kept honking his horn and moving in fits and starts so as not to run over anyone. Once it was clear there was no one in front of the truck, that's when he gunned it and drove off.

You noticed all this, right?

Nope, didn't notice that at all... I noticed some racist asshole getting his ass kicked after he tried to run down some black people. That's what I saw.

Was this before or after the black people assaulted the transgender woman unprovoked and stole her property?

How do you know he's racist and how did you come to the conclusion he tried to "run down some black people"?

Hey, maybe Trump can give this guy a speaking role at the RNC like Smirky McBitchslap and the Gun-Toting McCloskeys...

How pathetic.

 

[eagle1462010]

Quite possible that the DA will drop the charges. They've dropped a lot of charges against this lot.

I wonder if the DA does that the people will start taking to vigilantism for self protection?

Vigilantism is just another word for mob justice. You know, like what this mob does.

It works...........and only is needed if the system of justice breaks down.....................and in DNC run places ordering police to stand down............and DA's that cherry pick what they will charge...........

This shit ends when these people get a taste of their own medicine........in other areas of the country they tried it........didn't turn out well for them.............because WHERE I COME FROM...........they get educated VERY QUICKLY.

No. It doesn’t work. It completely avoids the the law, the justice system, our right a jury trial, the protections and presumptions of innocence we are supposed to be granted.

Vigilantism is mob justice where the color of your skin is enough to prove tbe crime whether it is the by the mob who pulled a white man from a car or the men who followed, ambushed and shot a black man jogging in a white neighborhood.

Have to laugh though. Though you guys were the law and order folks...but I see far more posts advocating Violence, whether it is shooting protestors for trespassing or...vigilante “justice” from the right than I do from the left supporting Riots. Don’t see much support for that at all.

When the government through corruption, or incompetence, refuses to protect the people, the people WILL, protect themselves.

That is simple reality.


And why do you inject race into this? Race has NOTHING to do with desiring to protect your family.

Any one with a knowledge of history knows race has been a factor and outside of race. .many innocent people have been murdered by vigilante "justice". Who gives you tbe right to be judge jury and executioner? What if you are wrong about the person you execute or beat up? What makes you any different then than the man who pulled the guy from the car and meted out his version of "justice"? And by the way...I didnt bring race into it. It was ALREADY brought in when someone pointed out the victim was white and the assaulter black.

I have an extensive knowledge of histtory and the reality is the western vigilance committees were not racist in any way. The "victims" of their justice were overwhelmingly white.

I think instead of your very shallow history knowledge you should do some research on the subject. Elton mentioned the Sydney Ducks of San Francisco. These were 3,000 gang members, mainly from Australia, who during the 1850's would set fire to the neighborhoods of San Francisco and then loot them before the flames destroyed everything after the people who lived there had fled the flames. This went on for a number of years until the San Francisco vigilance committee formed and destroyed them.

No racism, just a bunch of hard working people who had had enough. Racism is the last cry of the ignorant. And that is born out by massive amounts of scholarly research that shows the western States vigilantes were far from racist.

YOU need to stop making ignorant claims.

Westwall. I AM aware of history. I did not BRING race into it. It was already there brought up SPECIFICALY by the poster who advocated retaliatory violence against blacks. Did you MISS that bit on your haste.

I do not CARE what the race is of either the victimq or perpetrator is becaise the end result is the same.

Your knowledge of history ought to show you that, historicaly, race was significant factor in a portion of vigilante "justice". You cant ignore. You also cant ignore the many innocent victims of this extra judicial violence.

Who are they accountable to?

Who determines guilt?

Because rumor has it that.....? Everyone knows...that guy was always kind of weird....he looks at kids funny...he must have...where there is smoke there is fire...it was on twitter...why dont the police do anything....we need to DO something!

For everything they were legitimately right as aggrieved citizens (if can ever call lawlessness legitimate) there are 20 or more innocent victims.

When you have someone advocating going after "negros" in retaliation for a black man pulling an innocent white man out of a car and beating him (which was said by another poster) ...then you are just another lawless mob, no different than the one you are condemning.

Your claim about race being a significant factor in vigilante justice is a LIE. A well proven lie. The KKK and their terrorist attacks against blacks is not what we are talking about. We are talking about civilians being FORCED to take the law into their own hands because the government won't do their job for whatever reason. I suggest you read a book called "Gunfighters, Highwaymen, and Vigilantes" it is a scholarly study of western violence, and vigilantism in the most violent city in the west. Bodie California.

That is just one scholarly look at vigilantism, and how all the things you have been told are an outright lie. There are many others. Like i said, I have been studying violence in general for a very long time. The people are getting fed up and the backlash is going to be terrible. You ask some valid questions, questions that you SHOULD be asking the authorities in those cities that are allowing the cities they supposedly protect, to burn.

And you allow yourself to paint a broad brush against anyone who is opposite you because of one racist jackass. BLM is CLEARLY racist and nary a peep from you.

Westwall, I am not broad brushing anything. And I am not talking about the kkk. I am talking ordinary people who THINK they are right and act on it, outside the law.

Once you start that....who determines guilt? And how? And what if they are wrong?

Can you address that?

It's pretty easy to determine guilt when a rioter is caught in the act, don't you think? It is easy to determine guilt when a person invades you home. Don't you think? it is easy to determine guilt when a person attacks someone and you have multiple videos to prove it. Don't you think?

If some asshole were to attack you for no apparent reason while we were walking our dogs together, I can assure you that i wouldn't wait for the DA to determine if he was guilty or not. i would DEFEND you from an attack. That is what is going to start happening. Some asshole, is going to try and burn some poor business persons building down, and he is going to shoot that asshole.

THAT is what the end result of this wholesale abandonment of the cities by the authorities is going to lead. And nowhere do we hear the Democrat establishment condemning these actions.

NO WHERE!

I dont agree that it is that easy to determine guilt, because people, ESPECIALLY in a mob (whether it is a mob rioting or a mob exacting justice on rioters) don't behave rationally.

And justice needs to be rational and unemotional. That is why we have trained law enforcement (and no, I am not anti police), courts, judges and juries.

You know how it worked with Ahmed Arbery? 3 "vigilantes" decided to take justice into their own hands because the decided this guy was responsjble for some robberies, they followed him, ambushed him, and in the encounter ended up killing him.

That is the other side of the vigilante coin you want to ignore.

And what choice do the people who's lives are being shattered there have..............the politicians have sided with the anarchist............and left their ass hanging...........saying they should do nothing when the mob comes to them........or destroys their home or business.............

It is the DNC idiot politicians throwing gas on the fire..........and then telling those burned to not do anything.

Only in liberal lunacy land...........glad I don't live in a place like that.

 

[Elton]

Quite possible that the DA will drop the charges. They've dropped a lot of charges against this lot.

Most of what is dropped are minor things that they can't really make stick, like disorderly conduct. Assault like this is a whole 'other level. It's like what happened in Charlottesville - a lot of the violence ended up not being prosecuted, but the guy that drove the truck into the crowd most certainly will be prosecuted. I think for the minor stuff - getting thrown in jail for the night is traumatic enough to make a lasting impression for many.

Never underestimate to ability of a liberal prosecutor or a biased, liberal-activist judge to exonerate a Marxist asshole for assault and battery...or even murder.

Bullshit.

But we just watched them do exactly that. How is it possible for you to WATCH it happen in front of you and not acknowledge that it is?

Can you give me an example?

Here you go. Three different cities, all Democrat DA's.

Portland's new DA will drop charges against HUNDREDS arrested in riots

People arrested in Portland since late May on non-violent misdemeanor charges during the protests that have racked Oregon´s largest city for more than two months won't be prosecuted.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Manhattan DA Cy Vance says he won’t prosecute low-level protest arrests

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance announced Friday that his office won’t prosecute protesters for low-level offenses. Vance said in a statement that he won’t pursue raps involving…

nypost.com

Looters, rioters not being prosecuted by circuit attorney, says attorney general; Kim Gardner responds

St. Louis police arrested 36 people during violent protests. All have been released without criminal charges

www.ksdk.com