Pre-existing conditions coverage

[dnsmith35]

Liberals claim conservatives are racist and bigoted. Yet it is the left wing fanatics who are the truly bigoted and racist people.


Can You Spot The Racist, Homophobic Anti-Semites In This Special 10 Item Quiz? - John Hawkins - Page 1

Can You Spot The Racist, Homophobic Anti-Semites In This Special 10 Item Quiz? - John Hawkins - Page 2

Clearly you are frustrated with your party. I am too (only I am a republican).

The real question is: how did it get here.

Part of the answer lies in the fact that people don't realize just how much money there is in politics. Economic power is political power and pretty much vice versa.

When are we going to stand up to those who are trampling our rights (on both sides) and get back to some form of reasonable government at all levels ?

I am a centrist, a moderate, with liberal social views and conservative views on national defense and law enforcement. I am a democrat in the sense that I tend to vote for democrats locally and I view politics mostly as a local situation. National politics is a game of money and power. I doubt we ever graduate from that condition. In my opinion we have allowed the federal government to usurp to much of our states' rights. State legislatures should appoint our senators and our states' electoral college representatives which select our president/vice presidents. I do not believe anyone knows enough about out of state persons well enough to judge the quality of anyone to run the office of dog catcher and party politics are nothing but puppeteers pulling strings.

Personally I support:

Good public school education
Welfare for the needy
Universal Medical care
Civil rights and equality

I don't believe either party specifically represent the way to achieve those goals, and neither party's extremists are worth the powder it would take to blow your/my nose.

 

[dnsmith35]

During the Great Depression conservatives raised the same objections to F.D.R.’s programs. They said the economy must be left alone and it would correct itself in the long run. Commerce Secretary Harry Hopkins shot back: “People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.”

And that was the reason for soup lines.

FDR only kept them in those lines longer.

He's right up there with the asshole of the universe....."So Glad You're Dead" Ted Kennedy.

No, that was the reason for the WPA and CCC...

FDR invested in Americans. He put them to work, got something positive for that investment and gave the unemployed the dignity of work and contribution to the Great Republic. The WPA, CCC and pubic works program. During the Great Depression the government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters, including Willem de Kooning and Jackson Pollock.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

None of the workers in the WPA or CCC made a living wage except for the government employees leading the projects. I personally brought some home to a good meal after their long days work at minimum wage.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
President John F. Kennedy

Yep! Kennedy said things like that, and his rhetoric suggested he meant it. That was one reason I liked him and his platform. Unfortunately he didn't live long enough to realize what he said he wanted. Your hero worship is duly noted.

As much as you believe FDR got us out of the depression, you are wrong. He did put a lot of people to work, for the government, which was good for their income, but did not produce long term jobs or enhance our industry. WWII mobilization (not the war itself) got us out of the depression by putting 16 million men into uniform, putting millions of productive women into jobs operating the industries providing war materials. Rationing to keep needed goods flowing to the soldiers created large savings, and the industries which built the military moved into civilian product development to satisfy the wishes of people after a long struggle with shortages.

FDR had some great "ideas" about what was good for the people, but all he personally was a power hungry demagogue. Had he not chosen Truman to be his vice president the last time he ran, Wallace would have done more for liberal causes than FDR ever did.

BTW, Huey Long did more for Louisiana schools than FDR did for schools anywhere in the country. Your hero worship is duly noted (again).

 

[Bfgrn]

It takes scum to call someone else scum. Capice?

No, an ignorant turd who celebrates someone's death is scum. You only have to be human to understand that...Capice?? Especially the death of a great American like Ted Kennedy, who contributed much to our nation. More than all the right wing scum in Washington.

A liberal would understand. That eliminates you...

A person who calls someone scum is scum. Everyone understands that. I don't wish death for anyone, but Ted Kennedy was not a great American. He was a drunk murderer who was spoiled by the wealth of his whiskey running father. You throw the word liberal around like it was some kind of wonderful title. It isn't. Liberal ideas are great, people who dwell on liberalism are idiots.

There is not a Senator in American history that did more for PEOPLE. If you really were a liberal, I would not have to explain that to you.

The Lion Sleeps Tonight: Ted Kennedy

Gender Equity: Kennedy saw the Senate of the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972, which aimed to make men and women equal in the constitution. He reintroduced the legislation again this congressional session, but it has yet to make it into the constitution.

Kennnedy championed Title IX of the Civil Rights Act in 1972, which prevented educational institutions from discriminating against women (afterward, colleges and universities integrated, paving the way for women like Sonia Sotomayor and Hillary Clinton to attend Ivy League institutions), as well as requiring equitable athletic opportunities.

Civil Rights: Kennedy saw the passage of the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988 as committee chairman, which strengthened the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Afterward, then-executive director of the Leadership Council on Civil Rights Ralph Neas said, "Now you see what happens when you have a civil rights champion in charge of the committee."

He was also chief sponsor on the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which addressed intentional discrimination and harassment in the workplace. He was also a key sponsor of legislation by the same name in 2008, which sought to restore civil rights protections stripped by Supreme Court rulings in recent years (like the Lilly Ledbetter case).

Pay Equity: Kennedy worked on the Fair Pay Restoration Act, which sought to restore the rights of women to sue with each discriminatory paycheck, overturning the Supreme Court ruling in Ledbetter v. Goodyear.

Voting Rights: Kennedy worked on the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which allowed equal access to voting as part of the Civil Rights movement. He also worked to add amendments in 1982 that expanded voting access to Native Americans, Latinos, and others who required language assistance.

Affirmative Action: Kennedy helped defeat legislation that would have ended federal affirmative action in 1998 and joined his colleagues in the Senate in filing a brief urging the Supreme Court to uphold affirmative action in 2003.

LGBT Rights: Kennedy has been the chief sponsor of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act since 1994, which would make it illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation in the workplace. The bill has yet to pass.

Hate Crimes: Kennedy worked on the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act in 2007, which would implement more severe penalties for crimes against women, gays, lesbians, and transgender persons. The bill was vetoed by President Bush in 2007, but the legislation has been reintroduced in the 110th Congress.

HIV/AIDS: Kennedy introduced what became the Ryan White CARE Act, which addressed thirteen cities hit hardest by the HIV/AIDS crisis in 1990. When it was up for reauthorization in 2000, it provided nearly $9 billion in HIV/AIDS services over the following five years.

Domestic Violence: Kennedy worked with Vice President Joe Biden on the 1994 Violence Against Women Act. He also worked on its reauthorization in 2000, which allowed immigrant women to apply for permanent status in the United States without their abusive partners.

Disability Equity: Kennedy worked to pass the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, which provided much-needed accommodations for those with disabilities.

Minimum Wage: Kennedy worked with Congress in 2007 to pass the first hike in the minimum wage in more than a decade. Women disproportionately make up the population low-wage hourly workers.

Women in Combat: Kennedy championed the repeal a ban of women in combat in 1991. Women are still technically barred from fighting on the "front lines," such stipulations are meaningless in modern combat. By working for legislation that repealed archaic legislation, Kennedy helped women achieve more equality in the military.

Military Child Care: In 1989, Kennedy saw the passage of the National Military Child Care Act, which established the Department of Defense's child care program. This allowed working spouses of military members and women who were enlisted themselves to have access to high-quality, federally funded child care.

Health Insurance for Children and Pregnant Women: In 1997, Kennedy co-sponsored the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), allowing families to have access to health care that previously didn't. Kennedy also introduced legislation that has yet to pass, Affordable Health Care Act, which would expand Medicaid and SCHIP coverage for children, pregnant women, and the disabled.

He saw the passage of the Pregnancy Discrimination Act in 1978, which made it illegal for employers to fire women for leave taken due to pregnancy. We still don't require employers to provide paid maternity leave.

Minority Health Care: Kennedy championed the The Minority Health and Health Disparities Research and Education Act in 2000, which provided funding for research for how to reduce disparities in cancer, heart disease, HIV/AIDS, diabetes, and other severe health problems that are found to be significantly higher in minority populations. In 2006, he introduced the Minority Health Improvement and Health Disparity Elimination Act, which would address inequalities in health care access and treatment if passed.

The Inclusion of Women in Scientific and Medical Research: Kennedy co-sponsored the NIH Revitalization Act of 1993, legislation that called for the inclusion of women and minorities in federally funded clinical research.

 

[Bfgrn]

It takes scum to call someone else scum. Capice?

No, an ignorant turd who celebrates someone's death is scum. You only have to be human to understand that...Capice?? Especially the death of a great American like Ted Kennedy, who contributed much to our nation. More than all the right wing scum in Washington.

A liberal would understand. That eliminates you...

A person who calls someone scum is scum. Everyone understands that. I don't wish death for anyone, but Ted Kennedy was not a great American. He was a drunk murderer who was spoiled by the wealth of his whiskey running father. You throw the word liberal around like it was some kind of wonderful title. It isn't. Liberal ideas are great, people who dwell on liberalism are idiots.

The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
President John F. Kennedy – Commencement Address at Yale University, Old Campus, New Haven, Connecticut, June 11, 1962

Parroting right wing propaganda is not what liberals do.

The Biggest Kennedy Myth

In an exclusive excerpt from Last Call, his history of Prohibition, Daniel Okrent writes that long-held beliefs about Joe Kennedy’s bootlegging business are bunk.

The facts of Kennedy’s life (that he was rich; that he was in the liquor business; that he was deeply unpopular and widely distrusted) were rich loam for a rumor that did not begin to blossom until nearly 30 years after Repeal. Three times during the 1930s, Kennedy was appointed to federal positions requiring Senate confirmation (chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, chairman of the U.S. Maritime Commission, Ambassador to Great Britain). At a time when the memory of Prohibition was vivid and the passions it inflamed still smoldered, no one seemed to think Joe Kennedy had been a bootlegger—not the Republicans, not the anti-Roosevelt Democrats, not remnant Klansmen or anti-Irish Boston Brahmins or cynical newsmen or resentful Dry leaders still seething from the humiliation of Repeal. There’s nothing in the Senate record that suggests anyone brought up the bootlegging charge; there’s nothing about it in the press coverage that appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, or The Boston Globe. There was nothing asserting, suggesting, or hinting at bootlegging in the Roosevelt-hating Chicago Tribune, or in the long-dry Los Angeles Times. Around the time of his three Senate confirmations, the last of them concluding barely four years after Repeal, there was some murmuring about Kennedy’s involvement in possible stock-manipulation schemes, and a possible conflict of interest. But about involvement in the illegal liquor trade, there was nothing at all. With Prohibition fresh in the national mind, when a hint of illegal behavior would have been dearly prized by the president’s enemies or Kennedy’s own, there wasn’t even a whisper.

In the 1950s, another presidential appointment provoked another investigation of Kennedy’s past. This time, Dwight Eisenhower intended to name him to the President’s Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Activities, an advisory group meant to provide oversight of the Central Intelligence Agency. The office of Sherman Adams, the White House chief of staff, asked the FBI to comb through Kennedy’s past associations and activities. The fat file that resulted touched on nearly every aspect of his life, including his business relations with James Roosevelt. But nowhere in the file is there any indication of bootlegging in the Kennedy past, or even a suggestion of it from Kennedy’s detractors.

And so the record remained, apparently, until his son’s presidential campaign. That’s when the word “bootlegger” first attached itself to Kennedy’s name in prominent places—for instance, in a St. Louis Post-Dispatch article dated October 15, 1960, where Edward R. Woods wrote, “In certain ultra-dry sections of the country, Joe Kennedy is now referred to as ‘a rich bootlegger’ by his candidate-son’s detractors.

 

[Listening]

Just what I expect from scum like you.

It takes scum to call someone else scum. Capice?

No, an ignorant turd who celebrates someone's death is scum. You only have to be human to understand that...Capice?? Especially the death of a great American like Ted Kennedy, who contributed much to our nation. More than all the right wing scum in Washington.

A liberal would understand. That eliminates you...

Who said you get to make the rules...answer: Nobody.

Go screw yourself...better yet, dig up Ted and take it to him from behind.

And while you are in the throws of passion...ask him to justify his treatment of Robert Bork.

Or what it felt like to to leave MJK behind to drown.

You are 100% grade A prick.

 

[Bfgrn]

And that was the reason for soup lines.

FDR only kept them in those lines longer.

He's right up there with the asshole of the universe....."So Glad You're Dead" Ted Kennedy.

No, that was the reason for the WPA and CCC...

FDR invested in Americans. He put them to work, got something positive for that investment and gave the unemployed the dignity of work and contribution to the Great Republic. The WPA, CCC and pubic works program. During the Great Depression the government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters, including Willem de Kooning and Jackson Pollock.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

None of the workers in the WPA or CCC made a living wage except for the government employees leading the projects. I personally brought some home to a good meal after their long days work at minimum wage.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
President John F. Kennedy

Yep! Kennedy said things like that, and his rhetoric suggested he meant it. That was one reason I liked him and his platform. Unfortunately he didn't live long enough to realize what he said he wanted. Your hero worship is duly noted.

As much as you believe FDR got us out of the depression, you are wrong. He did put a lot of people to work, for the government, which was good for their income, but did not produce long term jobs or enhance our industry. WWII mobilization (not the war itself) got us out of the depression by putting 16 million men into uniform, putting millions of productive women into jobs operating the industries providing war materials. Rationing to keep needed goods flowing to the soldiers created large savings, and the industries which built the military moved into civilian product development to satisfy the wishes of people after a long struggle with shortages.

FDR had some great "ideas" about what was good for the people, but all he personally was a power hungry demagogue. Had he not chosen Truman to be his vice president the last time he ran, Wallace would have done more for liberal causes than FDR ever did.

BTW, Huey Long did more for Louisiana schools than FDR did for schools anywhere in the country. Your hero worship is duly noted (again).

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

You keep stepping on your dick.

In a previous post you claim you are for:

"Good public education for all, to include a good trade training program"

There has never been or ever will be a better, more effective and productive "good trade training program" than the WPA and the CCC.

I would be willing to bet that many of those workers went on to start their own businesses, became experts in their fields and became very successful citizens.

 

[Bfgrn]

It takes scum to call someone else scum. Capice?

No, an ignorant turd who celebrates someone's death is scum. You only have to be human to understand that...Capice?? Especially the death of a great American like Ted Kennedy, who contributed much to our nation. More than all the right wing scum in Washington.

A liberal would understand. That eliminates you...

Who said you get to make the rules...answer: Nobody.

Go screw yourself...better yet, dig up Ted and take it to him from behind.

And while you are in the throws of passion...ask him to justify his treatment of Robert Bork.

Or what it felt like to to leave MJK behind to drown.

You are 100% grade A prick.

When Bork became the puppet of despot Nixon and fired independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox. Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.

Bork was brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.

 

[dnsmith35]

No, an ignorant turd who celebrates someone's death is scum. You only have to be human to understand that...Capice?? Especially the death of a great American like Ted Kennedy, who contributed much to our nation. More than all the right wing scum in Washington.

A liberal would understand. That eliminates you...

A person who calls someone scum is scum. Everyone understands that. I don't wish death for anyone, but Ted Kennedy was not a great American. He was a drunk murderer who was spoiled by the wealth of his whiskey running father. You throw the word liberal around like it was some kind of wonderful title. It isn't. Liberal ideas are great, people who dwell on liberalism are idiots.

There is not a Senator in American history that did more for PEOPLE. If you really were a liberal, I would not have to explain that to you.

You are so full of crap it is mind bending. I am a liberal because of my goals, not because of some pseudo hero you have built up in your mind.

The Lion Sleeps Tonight: Ted Kennedy

Gender Equity: Kennedy saw the Senate of the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972, which aimed to make men and women equal in the constitution. He reintroduced the legislation again this congressional session, but it has yet to make it into the constitution.

Kennnedy championed Title IX of the Civil Rights Act in 1972, which prevented educational institutions from discriminating against women (afterward, colleges and universities integrated, paving the way for women like Sonia Sotomayor and Hillary Clinton to attend Ivy League institutions), as well as requiring equitable athletic opportunities.

Civil Rights: Kennedy saw the passage of the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988 as committee chairman, which strengthened the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Afterward, then-executive director of the Leadership Council on Civil Rights Ralph Neas said, "Now you see what happens when you have a civil rights champion in charge of the committee."

He was also chief sponsor on the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which addressed intentional discrimination and harassment in the workplace. He was also a key sponsor of legislation by the same name in 2008, which sought to restore civil rights protections stripped by Supreme Court rulings in recent years (like the Lilly Ledbetter case).

Pay Equity: Kennedy worked on the Fair Pay Restoration Act, which sought to restore the rights of women to sue with each discriminatory paycheck, overturning the Supreme Court ruling in Ledbetter v. Goodyear.

Voting Rights: Kennedy worked on the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which allowed equal access to voting as part of the Civil Rights movement. He also worked to add amendments in 1982 that expanded voting access to Native Americans, Latinos, and others who required language assistance.

Affirmative Action: Kennedy helped defeat legislation that would have ended federal affirmative action in 1998 and joined his colleagues in the Senate in filing a brief urging the Supreme Court to uphold affirmative action in 2003.

LGBT Rights: Kennedy has been the chief sponsor of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act since 1994, which would make it illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation in the workplace. The bill has yet to pass.

Hate Crimes: Kennedy worked on the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act in 2007, which would implement more severe penalties for crimes against women, gays, lesbians, and transgender persons. The bill was vetoed by President Bush in 2007, but the legislation has been reintroduced in the 110th Congress.

HIV/AIDS: Kennedy introduced what became the Ryan White CARE Act, which addressed thirteen cities hit hardest by the HIV/AIDS crisis in 1990. When it was up for reauthorization in 2000, it provided nearly $9 billion in HIV/AIDS services over the following five years.

Domestic Violence: Kennedy worked with Vice President Joe Biden on the 1994 Violence Against Women Act. He also worked on its reauthorization in 2000, which allowed immigrant women to apply for permanent status in the United States without their abusive partners.

Disability Equity: Kennedy worked to pass the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, which provided much-needed accommodations for those with disabilities.

Minimum Wage: Kennedy worked with Congress in 2007 to pass the first hike in the minimum wage in more than a decade. Women disproportionately make up the population low-wage hourly workers.

Women in Combat: Kennedy championed the repeal a ban of women in combat in 1991. Women are still technically barred from fighting on the "front lines," such stipulations are meaningless in modern combat. By working for legislation that repealed archaic legislation, Kennedy helped women achieve more equality in the military.

Military Child Care: In 1989, Kennedy saw the passage of the National Military Child Care Act, which established the Department of Defense's child care program. This allowed working spouses of military members and women who were enlisted themselves to have access to high-quality, federally funded child care.

Health Insurance for Children and Pregnant Women: In 1997, Kennedy co-sponsored the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), allowing families to have access to health care that previously didn't. Kennedy also introduced legislation that has yet to pass, Affordable Health Care Act, which would expand Medicaid and SCHIP coverage for children, pregnant women, and the disabled.

He saw the passage of the Pregnancy Discrimination Act in 1978, which made it illegal for employers to fire women for leave taken due to pregnancy. We still don't require employers to provide paid maternity leave.

Minority Health Care: Kennedy championed the The Minority Health and Health Disparities Research and Education Act in 2000, which provided funding for research for how to reduce disparities in cancer, heart disease, HIV/AIDS, diabetes, and other severe health problems that are found to be significantly higher in minority populations. In 2006, he introduced the Minority Health Improvement and Health Disparity Elimination Act, which would address inequalities in health care access and treatment if passed.

The Inclusion of Women in Scientific and Medical Research: Kennedy co-sponsored the NIH Revitalization Act of 1993, legislation that called for the inclusion of women and minorities in federally funded clinical research.

Kennedy was a puppet of the left wing extremists in our country. He was no hero. He was a drunk and a murderer. What he did was to try to get power. What he voted for is irrelevant to his image. It only reveals his character doing his puppeteers desires.

You are not a liberal. You are a party stooge. You are a left wing nut. You have no credibility and you like to cut and paste without sourcing. Go play with yourself.

 

[dnsmith35]

No, an ignorant turd who celebrates someone's death is scum. You only have to be human to understand that...Capice?? Especially the death of a great American like Ted Kennedy, who contributed much to our nation. More than all the right wing scum in Washington.

A liberal would understand. That eliminates you...

A person who calls someone scum is scum. Everyone understands that. I don't wish death for anyone, but Ted Kennedy was not a great American. He was a drunk murderer who was spoiled by the wealth of his whiskey running father. You throw the word liberal around like it was some kind of wonderful title. It isn't. Liberal ideas are great, people who dwell on liberalism are idiots.

The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
President John F. Kennedy – Commencement Address at Yale University, Old Campus, New Haven, Connecticut, June 11, 1962

Parroting right wing propaganda is not what liberals do.

The Biggest Kennedy Myth

In an exclusive excerpt from Last Call, his history of Prohibition, Daniel Okrent writes that long-held beliefs about Joe Kennedy’s bootlegging business are bunk.

The facts of Kennedy’s life (that he was rich; that he was in the liquor business; that he was deeply unpopular and widely distrusted) were rich loam for a rumor that did not begin to blossom until nearly 30 years after Repeal. Three times during the 1930s, Kennedy was appointed to federal positions requiring Senate confirmation (chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, chairman of the U.S. Maritime Commission, Ambassador to Great Britain). At a time when the memory of Prohibition was vivid and the passions it inflamed still smoldered, no one seemed to think Joe Kennedy had been a bootlegger—not the Republicans, not the anti-Roosevelt Democrats, not remnant Klansmen or anti-Irish Boston Brahmins or cynical newsmen or resentful Dry leaders still seething from the humiliation of Repeal. There’s nothing in the Senate record that suggests anyone brought up the bootlegging charge; there’s nothing about it in the press coverage that appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, or The Boston Globe. There was nothing asserting, suggesting, or hinting at bootlegging in the Roosevelt-hating Chicago Tribune, or in the long-dry Los Angeles Times. Around the time of his three Senate confirmations, the last of them concluding barely four years after Repeal, there was some murmuring about Kennedy’s involvement in possible stock-manipulation schemes, and a possible conflict of interest. But about involvement in the illegal liquor trade, there was nothing at all. With Prohibition fresh in the national mind, when a hint of illegal behavior would have been dearly prized by the president’s enemies or Kennedy’s own, there wasn’t even a whisper.

In the 1950s, another presidential appointment provoked another investigation of Kennedy’s past. This time, Dwight Eisenhower intended to name him to the President’s Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Activities, an advisory group meant to provide oversight of the Central Intelligence Agency. The office of Sherman Adams, the White House chief of staff, asked the FBI to comb through Kennedy’s past associations and activities. The fat file that resulted touched on nearly every aspect of his life, including his business relations with James Roosevelt. But nowhere in the file is there any indication of bootlegging in the Kennedy past, or even a suggestion of it from Kennedy’s detractors.

And so the record remained, apparently, until his son’s presidential campaign. That’s when the word “bootlegger” first attached itself to Kennedy’s name in prominent places—for instance, in a St. Louis Post-Dispatch article dated October 15, 1960, where Edward R. Woods wrote, “In certain ultra-dry sections of the country, Joe Kennedy is now referred to as ‘a rich bootlegger’ by his candidate-son’s detractors.

You really eat up those lies! His Harvard class mates talked about his furnishing the booze for parties and his bootlegging partner, career criminal Costello reluctantly acknowledged he and Joe were partners. Some left wing nuts have been trying to clean up his record since the 1960s.

 

[dnsmith35]

No, that was the reason for the WPA and CCC...

FDR invested in Americans. He put them to work, got something positive for that investment and gave the unemployed the dignity of work and contribution to the Great Republic. The WPA, CCC and pubic works program. During the Great Depression the government hired about 60 per cent of the unemployed in public works and conservation projects that planted a billion trees, saved the whooping crane, modernized rural America, and built such diverse projects as the Cathedral of Learning in Pittsburgh, the Montana state capitol, much of the Chicago lakefront, New York's Lincoln Tunnel and Triborough Bridge complex, the Tennessee Valley Authority and the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Yorktown.

It also built or renovated 2,500 hospitals, 45,000 schools, 13,000 parks and playgrounds, 7,800 bridges, 700,000 miles of roads, and a thousand airfields. And it employed 50,000 teachers, rebuilt the country's entire rural school system, and hired 3,000 writers, musicians, sculptors and painters, including Willem de Kooning and Jackson Pollock.

In other words, millions of men and women earned a living wage and self-respect and contributed mightily to the national infrastructure.

None of the workers in the WPA or CCC made a living wage except for the government employees leading the projects. I personally brought some home to a good meal after their long days work at minimum wage.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
President John F. Kennedy

Yep! Kennedy said things like that, and his rhetoric suggested he meant it. That was one reason I liked him and his platform. Unfortunately he didn't live long enough to realize what he said he wanted. Your hero worship is duly noted.

As much as you believe FDR got us out of the depression, you are wrong. He did put a lot of people to work, for the government, which was good for their income, but did not produce long term jobs or enhance our industry. WWII mobilization (not the war itself) got us out of the depression by putting 16 million men into uniform, putting millions of productive women into jobs operating the industries providing war materials. Rationing to keep needed goods flowing to the soldiers created large savings, and the industries which built the military moved into civilian product development to satisfy the wishes of people after a long struggle with shortages.

FDR had some great "ideas" about what was good for the people, but all he personally was a power hungry demagogue. Had he not chosen Truman to be his vice president the last time he ran, Wallace would have done more for liberal causes than FDR ever did.

BTW, Huey Long did more for Louisiana schools than FDR did for schools anywhere in the country. Your hero worship is duly noted (again).

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

You keep stepping on your dick.

In a previous post you claim you are for:

"Good public education for all, to include a good trade training program"

There has never been or ever will be a better, more effective and productive "good trade training program" than the WPA and the CCC.

I would be willing to bet that many of those workers went on to start their own businesses, became experts in their fields and became very successful citizens.

You are full of it. It kept men from being hobos and trained them for nothing but being drafted when the war started. By the way, at least I have one to step on occasionally. You on the other hand are an eunuch. And Ted Sorenson was another big time puppet.

 

[dnsmith35]

No, an ignorant turd who celebrates someone's death is scum. You only have to be human to understand that...Capice?? Especially the death of a great American like Ted Kennedy, who contributed much to our nation. More than all the right wing scum in Washington.

A liberal would understand. That eliminates you...

Who said you get to make the rules...answer: Nobody.

Go screw yourself...better yet, dig up Ted and take it to him from behind.

And while you are in the throws of passion...ask him to justify his treatment of Robert Bork.

Or what it felt like to to leave MJK behind to drown.

You are 100% grade A prick.

When Bork became the puppet of despot Nixon and fired independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox. Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.

Bork was brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.

From a grade Z prick calling someone else a grade A prick, that was a real insult

Your problem is you worship some people who you thought to be real heroes instead of being interested in the values those men mouthed. Take LBJ; a more racist opportunist never existed. He did what he thought people wanted to gain power. You are more interested in self interested opportunists than the true ideals of liberalism.

The difference between you and me? I cheer the accomplishments of some of our past leaders, even the corrupt ones. I don't worship the individuals. The important issue is the end result. We have not had many end results of merit in many a year, all we have had are power players and opportunistic thugs.

 

[Bfgrn]

A person who calls someone scum is scum. Everyone understands that. I don't wish death for anyone, but Ted Kennedy was not a great American. He was a drunk murderer who was spoiled by the wealth of his whiskey running father. You throw the word liberal around like it was some kind of wonderful title. It isn't. Liberal ideas are great, people who dwell on liberalism are idiots.

The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
President John F. Kennedy – Commencement Address at Yale University, Old Campus, New Haven, Connecticut, June 11, 1962

Parroting right wing propaganda is not what liberals do.

The Biggest Kennedy Myth

In an exclusive excerpt from Last Call, his history of Prohibition, Daniel Okrent writes that long-held beliefs about Joe Kennedy’s bootlegging business are bunk.

The facts of Kennedy’s life (that he was rich; that he was in the liquor business; that he was deeply unpopular and widely distrusted) were rich loam for a rumor that did not begin to blossom until nearly 30 years after Repeal. Three times during the 1930s, Kennedy was appointed to federal positions requiring Senate confirmation (chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, chairman of the U.S. Maritime Commission, Ambassador to Great Britain). At a time when the memory of Prohibition was vivid and the passions it inflamed still smoldered, no one seemed to think Joe Kennedy had been a bootlegger—not the Republicans, not the anti-Roosevelt Democrats, not remnant Klansmen or anti-Irish Boston Brahmins or cynical newsmen or resentful Dry leaders still seething from the humiliation of Repeal. There’s nothing in the Senate record that suggests anyone brought up the bootlegging charge; there’s nothing about it in the press coverage that appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, or The Boston Globe. There was nothing asserting, suggesting, or hinting at bootlegging in the Roosevelt-hating Chicago Tribune, or in the long-dry Los Angeles Times. Around the time of his three Senate confirmations, the last of them concluding barely four years after Repeal, there was some murmuring about Kennedy’s involvement in possible stock-manipulation schemes, and a possible conflict of interest. But about involvement in the illegal liquor trade, there was nothing at all. With Prohibition fresh in the national mind, when a hint of illegal behavior would have been dearly prized by the president’s enemies or Kennedy’s own, there wasn’t even a whisper.

In the 1950s, another presidential appointment provoked another investigation of Kennedy’s past. This time, Dwight Eisenhower intended to name him to the President’s Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Activities, an advisory group meant to provide oversight of the Central Intelligence Agency. The office of Sherman Adams, the White House chief of staff, asked the FBI to comb through Kennedy’s past associations and activities. The fat file that resulted touched on nearly every aspect of his life, including his business relations with James Roosevelt. But nowhere in the file is there any indication of bootlegging in the Kennedy past, or even a suggestion of it from Kennedy’s detractors.

And so the record remained, apparently, until his son’s presidential campaign. That’s when the word “bootlegger” first attached itself to Kennedy’s name in prominent places—for instance, in a St. Louis Post-Dispatch article dated October 15, 1960, where Edward R. Woods wrote, “In certain ultra-dry sections of the country, Joe Kennedy is now referred to as ‘a rich bootlegger’ by his candidate-son’s detractors.

You really eat up those lies! His Harvard class mates talked about his furnishing the booze for parties and his bootlegging partner, career criminal Costello reluctantly acknowledged he and Joe were partners. Some left wing nuts have been trying to clean up his record since the 1960s.

What don't you comprehend? 1, 2, 3, 4????

1) Three times during the 1930s, Kennedy was appointed to federal positions requiring Senate confirmation (chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, chairman of the U.S. Maritime Commission, Ambassador to Great Britain)

2) There’s nothing in the Senate record that suggests anyone brought up the bootlegging charge

3) there’s nothing about it in the press coverage that appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, or The Boston Globe. There was nothing asserting, suggesting, or hinting at bootlegging in the Roosevelt-hating Chicago Tribune, or in the long-dry Los Angeles Times.

4) NOTHING, not a PEEP —not the Republicans, not the anti-Roosevelt Democrats, not remnant Klansmen or anti-Irish Boston Brahmins or cynical newsmen or resentful Dry leaders still seething from the humiliation of Repeal.

 

[Bfgrn]

None of the workers in the WPA or CCC made a living wage except for the government employees leading the projects. I personally brought some home to a good meal after their long days work at minimum wage. Yep! Kennedy said things like that, and his rhetoric suggested he meant it. That was one reason I liked him and his platform. Unfortunately he didn't live long enough to realize what he said he wanted. Your hero worship is duly noted.

As much as you believe FDR got us out of the depression, you are wrong. He did put a lot of people to work, for the government, which was good for their income, but did not produce long term jobs or enhance our industry. WWII mobilization (not the war itself) got us out of the depression by putting 16 million men into uniform, putting millions of productive women into jobs operating the industries providing war materials. Rationing to keep needed goods flowing to the soldiers created large savings, and the industries which built the military moved into civilian product development to satisfy the wishes of people after a long struggle with shortages.

FDR had some great "ideas" about what was good for the people, but all he personally was a power hungry demagogue. Had he not chosen Truman to be his vice president the last time he ran, Wallace would have done more for liberal causes than FDR ever did.

BTW, Huey Long did more for Louisiana schools than FDR did for schools anywhere in the country. Your hero worship is duly noted (again).

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

You keep stepping on your dick.

In a previous post you claim you are for:

"Good public education for all, to include a good trade training program"

There has never been or ever will be a better, more effective and productive "good trade training program" than the WPA and the CCC.

I would be willing to bet that many of those workers went on to start their own businesses, became experts in their fields and became very successful citizens.

You are full of it. It kept men from being hobos and trained them for nothing but being drafted when the war started. By the way, at least I have one to step on occasionally. You on the other hand are an eunuch. And Ted Sorenson was another big time puppet.

Let's use your standards....A person who calls someone a hobo is a hobo.

Again, I am willing to argue with you, but admit the truth. You are no liberal, and certainly not a JFK liberal. Liberals don't talk or think the way you do.

Liberals believe people are basically good, conservatives believe people are basically evil.
Liberals believe in raising people up, conservatives believe in pushing people down.
Liberals believe in encouragement, conservatives believe in scorn.
Liberals always stand up for the little guy, conservatives always stand up for the big guy.

You FAIL on all four.

 

[dnsmith35]

Just under 40% of the Obama stimulus package was devoted to tax cuts. The bill had $237 billion in tax cuts.

That's not a useful tax cut.

If I tell you that next month, I'm going to cut your rent by half, for just that month.... is that going to drastically change your budget? No, because you know the following month, your rent is right back to where it was before.

That's not to say it didn't help in that single month, but it was a temporary and fleeting benefit. There was no sustained consistent boost to the economy.

It's the same as cash for clunkers. That program didn't benefit the economy, or the auto industry specifically. When the program was announced, people who were already planning to buy, delayed their purchases, or moved up their time frame on purchases, in order to use the program. But if you average it out sales during the program, to the slump before the program started, and the crash after it ended, the over all effect was nearly zero.

It was an extremely temporary, and limited effect. Nothing permanent or sustaining.

Same with the tax cuts. These cuts were of short duration, and employers knew that. No employer is going to hire someone with money from a tax cut, that isn't going to be there the following year.

No more than you would run out and buy a new car, because you got 50% off your rent this month, knowing next month your rent goes right back up, and you end up losing the car, and getting sued for the default.

The fallacy argument of voodoo economics. For a group of people who worship the 'free market', it would be useful if you actually understood HOW the market really works.

No employer is going to hire someone with money from a tax cut...PERIOD. He is ONLY going to hire or fire based on the 'market'...supply & demand.

What happens on April 15th has NO BEARING on his business decisions. Tax cuts for the wealthy did not create jobs. It created DEBT. It took every President in our nations first 200 years to accumulate one trillion dollars of debt...it took Ronbo Reagan the great American socialist only 5 YEARS to accumulate the second trillion dollars of debt.

Ronbo the welfare queen of presidents turned America from a creditor nation into a debtor nation.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!


"Washington couldn't tell a lie, Nixon couldn't tell the truth, and Reagan couldn't tell the difference."
Mort Sahl

Your ignorance of economics is profound. Of course no one hires workers because of a tax cut. They hire workers because tax cuts increase spending/demand.

 

[dnsmith35]

There is not a Senator in American history that did more for PEOPLE. If you really were a liberal, I would not have to explain that to you.

You are wrong on several accounts, not the least of which you are not smart enough to explain anything to me. In addition Huey and Russell Long both did more for American that Ted Kennedy did. All Ted Kennedy did was kill a young woman and drink himself into a stupor, proving to America that the people of Massachusetts were poor judges of character.

 

[dnsmith35]

What don't you comprehend? 1, 2, 3, 4????

1) Three times during the 1930s, Kennedy was appointed to federal positions requiring Senate confirmation (chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, chairman of the U.S. Maritime Commission, Ambassador to Great Britain)

2) There’s nothing in the Senate record that suggests anyone brought up the bootlegging charge

3) there’s nothing about it in the press coverage that appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, or The Boston Globe. There was nothing asserting, suggesting, or hinting at bootlegging in the Roosevelt-hating Chicago Tribune, or in the long-dry Los Angeles Times.

4) NOTHING, not a PEEP —not the Republicans, not the anti-Roosevelt Democrats, not remnant Klansmen or anti-Irish Boston Brahmins or cynical newsmen or resentful Dry leaders still seething from the humiliation of Repeal.

And there is nothing in the public record which proves he was not a bootlegger, yet his partner in crime admitted he was part of the bootlegging operations. Your hero worship is still showing.

 

[jillian]

What don't you comprehend? 1, 2, 3, 4????

1) Three times during the 1930s, Kennedy was appointed to federal positions requiring Senate confirmation (chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, chairman of the U.S. Maritime Commission, Ambassador to Great Britain)

2) There’s nothing in the Senate record that suggests anyone brought up the bootlegging charge

3) there’s nothing about it in the press coverage that appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, or The Boston Globe. There was nothing asserting, suggesting, or hinting at bootlegging in the Roosevelt-hating Chicago Tribune, or in the long-dry Los Angeles Times.

4) NOTHING, not a PEEP —not the Republicans, not the anti-Roosevelt Democrats, not remnant Klansmen or anti-Irish Boston Brahmins or cynical newsmen or resentful Dry leaders still seething from the humiliation of Repeal.

And there is nothing in the public record which proves he was not a bootlegger, yet his partner in crime admitted he was part of the bootlegging operations. Your hero worship is still showing.

it doesn't work like that. you don't have to prove a negative. you have to prove something WAS.

 

[dnsmith35]

You keep stepping on your dick.

Which proves only that I have one.

Let's use your standards....A person who calls someone a hobo is a hobo.

Maybe, but I was there during that period so I watched and experienced many of those people.

Again, I am willing to argue with you, but admit the truth. You are no liberal, and certainly not a JFK liberal. Liberals don't talk or think the way you do.

I always tell the truth. You are so far to the left wing extreme a liberal looks right wing to you.

Liberals believe people are basically good, conservatives believe people are basically evil.

Wow! You are really making things up now. Even most conservatives believe in the basic good in people.

Liberals believe in raising people up,

I do!

conservatives believe in pushing people down.

Your hatred and bigotry is showing.

Liberals believe in encouragement, conservatives believe in scorn.

You mean like the scorn you show for anyone who disagrees with you? Hmmmmmm!

Liberals always stand up for the little guy,

conservatives always stand up for the big guy.

That is horse manure and shows just how little you really know about people and human behavior in general, whether they are liberal or conservative.

You FAIL on all four.

In fact I doubt that besides you being a left wing fanatic you are a real liberal. Your attitude about jobs going off shore is a tell.

 

[dnsmith35]

it doesn't work like that. you don't have to prove a negative. you have to prove something WAS.

I agree, you can't prove a negative, but there was a lot of evidence of the positive. I just couldn't resist pulling his chain a little in view of his hostility to reason.

 

[paperview]

The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
President John F. Kennedy – Commencement Address at Yale University, Old Campus, New Haven, Connecticut, June 11, 1962

Parroting right wing propaganda is not what liberals do.

The Biggest Kennedy Myth

In an exclusive excerpt from Last Call, his history of Prohibition, Daniel Okrent writes that long-held beliefs about Joe Kennedy’s bootlegging business are bunk.

The facts of Kennedy’s life (that he was rich; that he was in the liquor business; that he was deeply unpopular and widely distrusted) were rich loam for a rumor that did not begin to blossom until nearly 30 years after Repeal. Three times during the 1930s, Kennedy was appointed to federal positions requiring Senate confirmation (chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, chairman of the U.S. Maritime Commission, Ambassador to Great Britain). At a time when the memory of Prohibition was vivid and the passions it inflamed still smoldered, no one seemed to think Joe Kennedy had been a bootlegger—not the Republicans, not the anti-Roosevelt Democrats, not remnant Klansmen or anti-Irish Boston Brahmins or cynical newsmen or resentful Dry leaders still seething from the humiliation of Repeal. There’s nothing in the Senate record that suggests anyone brought up the bootlegging charge; there’s nothing about it in the press coverage that appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, or The Boston Globe. There was nothing asserting, suggesting, or hinting at bootlegging in the Roosevelt-hating Chicago Tribune, or in the long-dry Los Angeles Times. Around the time of his three Senate confirmations, the last of them concluding barely four years after Repeal, there was some murmuring about Kennedy’s involvement in possible stock-manipulation schemes, and a possible conflict of interest. But about involvement in the illegal liquor trade, there was nothing at all. With Prohibition fresh in the national mind, when a hint of illegal behavior would have been dearly prized by the president’s enemies or Kennedy’s own, there wasn’t even a whisper.

In the 1950s, another presidential appointment provoked another investigation of Kennedy’s past. This time, Dwight Eisenhower intended to name him to the President’s Board of Consultants on Foreign Intelligence Activities, an advisory group meant to provide oversight of the Central Intelligence Agency. The office of Sherman Adams, the White House chief of staff, asked the FBI to comb through Kennedy’s past associations and activities. The fat file that resulted touched on nearly every aspect of his life, including his business relations with James Roosevelt. But nowhere in the file is there any indication of bootlegging in the Kennedy past, or even a suggestion of it from Kennedy’s detractors.

And so the record remained, apparently, until his son’s presidential campaign. That’s when the word “bootlegger” first attached itself to Kennedy’s name in prominent places—for instance, in a St. Louis Post-Dispatch article dated October 15, 1960, where Edward R. Woods wrote, “In certain ultra-dry sections of the country, Joe Kennedy is now referred to as ‘a rich bootlegger’ by his candidate-son’s detractors.

You really eat up those lies! His Harvard class mates talked about his furnishing the booze for parties and his bootlegging partner, career criminal Costello reluctantly acknowledged he and Joe were partners. Some left wing nuts have been trying to clean up his record since the 1960s.

What don't you comprehend? 1, 2, 3, 4????

1) Three times during the 1930s, Kennedy was appointed to federal positions requiring Senate confirmation (chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, chairman of the U.S. Maritime Commission, Ambassador to Great Britain)

2) There’s nothing in the Senate record that suggests anyone brought up the bootlegging charge

3) there’s nothing about it in the press coverage that appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, or The Boston Globe. There was nothing asserting, suggesting, or hinting at bootlegging in the Roosevelt-hating Chicago Tribune, or in the long-dry Los Angeles Times.

4) NOTHING, not a PEEP —not the Republicans, not the anti-Roosevelt Democrats, not remnant Klansmen or anti-Irish Boston Brahmins or cynical newsmen or resentful Dry leaders still seething from the humiliation of Repeal.

Exactly -- that bootlegging charge only came up decades later to discredit him.

It's an urban legend.