Prediction: Biden will be the nominee and he will lose in a landslide.

[rightwinger]

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

What other country would you want to be like? Nothing is preventing you to move to one of those other countries.

Go back to your country!

Where have I heard that one before?

 

[Ray9]

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

 

[gipper]

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

Much could be accomplished, if our corrupt government didn’t spend over one trillion annually on an imperialistic military.

 

[Camp]

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

 

[Ray9]

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

Agreed, but there is a limit. "Everything" can't be free. That's what scuttled the Soviet Union. Venezuela and Cuba are more modern examples.

 

[rightwinger]

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

This should be obvious because even though Joe Biden is a senile, doddering old fool, he is the only candidate running who appears to be remotely sane. The Democratic Party has become the Titanic and no one is steering the ship.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

The quantity of free stuff available to poor and working Americans pales in comparison to the free stuff available to the wealthy

 

[Camp]

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

The quantity of free stuff available to poor and working Americans pales in comparison to the free stuff available to the wealthy

One can argue the only time it came close to comparable was during the FDR era.

 

[rightwinger]

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

The quantity of free stuff available to poor and working Americans pales in comparison to the free stuff available to the wealthy

One can argue the only time it came close to comparable was during the FDR era.

FDR understood the depression was about easing the suffering of the poor, not returning profits to the rich

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Bernie is the real deal......f - Biden.

That's funny!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

The quantity of free stuff available to poor and working Americans pales in comparison to the free stuff available to the wealthy

One can argue the only time it came close to comparable was during the FDR era.

FDR understood the depression was about easing the suffering of the poor, not returning profits to the rich

No he didn't. He prolonged the depression with all his free give away junk. The war was what got us out of the depression.

 

[rightwinger]

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

The quantity of free stuff available to poor and working Americans pales in comparison to the free stuff available to the wealthy

One can argue the only time it came close to comparable was during the FDR era.

FDR understood the depression was about easing the suffering of the poor, not returning profits to the rich

No he didn't. He prolonged the depression with all his free give away junk. The war was what got us out of the depression.

Not really...it was a bad ass Depression

If the banks quickly recovered but thousands of people starved waiting for the recovery to reach them...is that good economic policy?

FDR understood he needed to ease the suffering of the people as his first priority

As FDR said at the time.......People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

The quantity of free stuff available to poor and working Americans pales in comparison to the free stuff available to the wealthy

One can argue the only time it came close to comparable was during the FDR era.

FDR understood the depression was about easing the suffering of the poor, not returning profits to the rich

No he didn't. He prolonged the depression with all his free give away junk. The war was what got us out of the depression.

Not really...it was a bad ass Depression

If the banks quickly recovered but thousands of people starved waiting for the recovery to reach them...is that good economic policy?

FDR understood he needed to ease the suffering of the people as his first priority

As FDR said at the time.......People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day.

A depression that lasted 16 years? Lol. Of course it was prolonged through band aids.

 

[rightwinger]

The quantity of free stuff available to poor and working Americans pales in comparison to the free stuff available to the wealthy

One can argue the only time it came close to comparable was during the FDR era.

FDR understood the depression was about easing the suffering of the poor, not returning profits to the rich

No he didn't. He prolonged the depression with all his free give away junk. The war was what got us out of the depression.

Not really...it was a bad ass Depression

If the banks quickly recovered but thousands of people starved waiting for the recovery to reach them...is that good economic policy?

FDR understood he needed to ease the suffering of the people as his first priority

As FDR said at the time.......People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day.

A depression that lasted 16 years? Lol. Of course it was prolonged through band aids.

Didn’t last 16 years

People did well during the war years.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

One can argue the only time it came close to comparable was during the FDR era.

FDR understood the depression was about easing the suffering of the poor, not returning profits to the rich

No he didn't. He prolonged the depression with all his free give away junk. The war was what got us out of the depression.

Not really...it was a bad ass Depression

If the banks quickly recovered but thousands of people starved waiting for the recovery to reach them...is that good economic policy?

FDR understood he needed to ease the suffering of the people as his first priority

As FDR said at the time.......People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day.

A depression that lasted 16 years? Lol. Of course it was prolonged through band aids.

Didn’t last 16 years

People did well during the war years.

That's true .

 

[gipper]

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

I don't think Biden will be the nominee, but then it's my belief that he's too old. In each of the debates, Joe's weaknesses as a candidate were on full display. Ditto Bernie.

These guys have had 40 years in government and they've done little in their time in office to suggest that they have good ideas to fix things. Joe's getting a lot of heat for crap he authored, voted for and thought were good ideas at the time. You had your chance, and you blew it Joe. What would ever make us think that going back to the old ways, is going to work going forward? As we've seen with Donald Trump repealling regulations, and trying to revive the coal industry, you can't go back. The world has moved on and the USA needs to move forward, not back.

Yep, let's rely on the other loonies that want to give away all the freebie stuff, that'll definitely fix things.

Yeah, free things like health care for all, and a quality education for all. Things that will lift up the entire nation. Things that are available to the citizens of every other first world nation in the world. Things that will help to grow the middle class, instead of shrinking it, which is what has been going on since Reagan changed the tax code.

Other countries consider programs which help educated and support the most vulnerable people in their population as "good governance", and governing for the majority of your citizens. Only radical American conservatives call programs which help their people and their economy "free shit". These self-same people who consider free education, and cell phones for the poor and the unemployed "free shit" should ask themselves how these people are going to get a job if they don't have a phone, or an education.

Smart people call this "enlightened self interest". If the person on welfare has a phone, and a potential employer can call them, maybe they'll get a job and get off welfare. Maybe if their children get a good education which properly prepares them for employment in the 21st Century, maybe the next generation can leave poverty behind.

2% of the population is currently able to lift themselves out of poverty. When Ronald Reagan was elected and ended the War on Poverty, that number was 20%. Right now 98 children out of 100, born into poverty in the USA, will remain in poverty all of their lives and will always be a drain on the public purse. Conservative tax, economic and education policies are encouraging and growing poverty, not decreasing it.

Instead of massive, government funded retraining projects in the mid-west to re-educate workers and train them for 21st Century jobs, Trump wants to bring back low skill manufacturing jobs. Instead of raising the minimum wage, conservatives want to increase the "earned income credit", making taxpayers responsible for subsidizing and financially supporting the low paid workers of some of the most profitable corporations in America. The reason these companies are so profitable is because they're underpaying their workers, while screwing the middle class, and conservative governments are helping them do this.

No other nation in the world makes the middle class subsidize the wages of the working class, to the detriment of both.

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

Agreed, but there is a limit. "Everything" can't be free. That's what scuttled the Soviet Union. Venezuela and Cuba are more modern examples.

Yeah the richest nation the world has ever known can’t provide the same benefits that nearly the entire western world already has. We just don’t have what it takes.

 

[Camp]

You're right about wages but wrong about the cause. The US has been dabbling in globalization for the past 25 years and lowering the standard of living here to match Europe and Asia. Now you want to implement a Santa Clause government here to match the rest of the world. Wonderful promises of free gifts under the tree.

The people here didn't just fall off the turnip truck but that's what the poor from neighboring countries are being marched across our borders for. Lyndon Johnson's legacy has come home.

America has always given away "free stuff". At, even before the revolution, colonies gave away free land and once the nation was formed it continued with the federal government. The land was given away to individuals, including immigrants, and private businesses. So, giving away free stuff has always and still is a competition between individual citizens and private business interests. The only thing that changes over the decades and centuries is which ideology and partisans decide who gets what share of the free stuff pie.

The quantity of free stuff available to poor and working Americans pales in comparison to the free stuff available to the wealthy

One can argue the only time it came close to comparable was during the FDR era.

FDR understood the depression was about easing the suffering of the poor, not returning profits to the rich

No he didn't. He prolonged the depression with all his free give away junk. The war was what got us out of the depression.

FDR had brought down unemployment from 25% when he came in the office to 10% by WWII and had put huge numbers of citizens to work on infrastructure, which was listed as relief and public welfare workers and counted as "unemployed". Much of those infrastructure projects are still being used today. That is a main reason he is rated one of our greatest Presidents. His legacy includes those lasting infrastructure projects accomplished by him and comparable to no other President.

 

[protectionist]

Trump managed to pull in the I hate Hillary vote

There is no I hate Biden vote

There doesn't NEED to be.

 

[protectionist]

Yeah the richest nation the world has ever known can’t provide the same benefits that nearly the entire western world already has. We just don’t have what it takes.

What "benefits" are you referring to ?

 

[rightwinger]

Trump managed to pull in the I hate Hillary vote

There is no I hate Biden vote

There doesn't NEED to be.

Actually
That’s all Trump knows

Make up a silly schoolyard name and repeat it endlessly

 

[pismoe]

There is a key indicator here that is going under the radar for now. In the party that sticks together there is no public support for Biden from Obama or Clinton.They know what he is incapable of and they know what's in his closet. An interesting fact is that Biden wasn't even seriously considered in the last election. The death of his son was put forth as a red herring at the time but the real reason was almost certainly that he was considered a sure bet to lose.

It s too early in the nomination process. They will both give rousing support to Biden once the nominations nation nears

What is interesting is that none of the former presidents will give Trump any support. They see what he has done to the once proud office of president

------------------------------------ past presidents starting with republicans 'reagan - bush' the 'amnesty twosome are pretty much scum and past 'presidents' both 'dem and repub' supporting the TRUMP would only hurt the TRUMP with his base of Deplorables RWinger .