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Since when have "rightwingers" not believed in American exceptionalism?
Reagan believed in it, Bush believed in it. Usually if they mention it, liberals roll their eyes at the phrase. Obama uses it with caveats, such as: "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."
So keep spinning, when the truth is neither Putin nor Obama believe in American exceptionalism. So please leave us "righties" out of your Dear Leader's epic failures. He fell flat on his face by his own doing, Republican "obstructionists" had nothing to do with it. Can you make one post about Obama's actions without blamming Republicans in some way?
Conservatives are sort of "Johnny come lateys" to the whole notion of the United States of America. They didn't write the Constitution and didn't have any part in the Revolution. Quite the opposite, they tried to stop it. Shortly there after they tried to split the nation with the Whiskey Rebellion and Washington had to put a stop to that. They tried it again during the Civil war. After that..they decided to work within the system to get their agenda across and have put up all sorts of Nativist and racist laws. Reagan and Bush even latched on to that agenda, somewhat, by calling the "government" (which is by the people and for the people), "the problem" while expanding the very government they said was the problem.
For Conservatives..America is exceptional because of it's power to destroy. That begins and ends it.
For Liberals? It's the free speech, justice, liberty, and fair play that sets us apart from other nations.
You have it backwards. There are more pro-constitution types in the republican party than the democrat party. The number of neo-con war loving republicans is the same number as the war loving democrats. There are actually more peace loving republicans than there are war loving republicans. Unfortunately the war hawk authoritarians are the one leading both parties. The peace loving folks of both parties get shouted down and called crazy by the authoritarians, media, and military complex. It would seem our military might is no longer for defense and is for sale in the ME and soon asia.
It's ALWAYS the lying Right-wingers who are most full of shit who accuse others of being full of shit.What freedoms? The ones you'd desperately like to curtail and have agreed with the current president by vote on? Such as the suspension of habeus corbuis, 2nd amendment rights, 4th A. rights, etc?
Like those ones?
You're so full of shit, I need waders, Shallow.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/op...yria.html?_r=0And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States policy is what makes America different. Its what makes us exceptional. It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lords blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/312534-op-ed-by-vladimir-putin-for-the-american-people.html
And here's the thing. It was an American paper that carried Stalinist Putin's opinion.
No russian paper would pick up an opinion piece by an American leader if it disagreed at all with the Stalinist.
THAT..is what makes America, exceptional.
Conservatives are sort of "Johnny come lateys" to the whole notion of the United States of America. They didn't write the Constitution and didn't have any part in the Revolution. Quite the opposite, they tried to stop it. Shortly there after they tried to split the nation with the Whiskey Rebellion and Washington had to put a stop to that. They tried it again during the Civil war. After that..they decided to work within the system to get their agenda across and have put up all sorts of Nativist and racist laws. Reagan and Bush even latched on to that agenda, somewhat, by calling the "government" (which is by the people and for the people), "the problem" while expanding the very government they said was the problem.
For Conservatives..America is exceptional because of it's power to destroy. That begins and ends it.
For Liberals? It's the free speech, justice, liberty, and fair play that sets us apart from other nations.
You have it backwards. There are more pro-constitution types in the republican party than the democrat party. The number of neo-con war loving republicans is the same number as the war loving democrats. There are actually more peace loving republicans than there are war loving republicans. Unfortunately the war hawk authoritarians are the one leading both parties. The peace loving folks of both parties get shouted down and called crazy by the authoritarians, media, and military complex. It would seem our military might is no longer for defense and is for sale in the ME and soon asia.
Actually I don't.
When I went to the protest against the Iraq war, in NYC, there were 250K people there.
Personally? I didn't see any Conservatives..not a one.
Course..I didn't check each and every person there..but I am hazarding to say..most conservatives supported killing innocent Iraqis.
Conservatives are sort of "Johnny come lateys" to the whole notion of the United States of America. They didn't write the Constitution and didn't have any part in the Revolution. Quite the opposite, they tried to stop it. Shortly there after they tried to split the nation with the Whiskey Rebellion and Washington had to put a stop to that. They tried it again during the Civil war. After that..they decided to work within the system to get their agenda across and have put up all sorts of Nativist and racist laws. Reagan and Bush even latched on to that agenda, somewhat, by calling the "government" (which is by the people and for the people), "the problem" while expanding the very government they said was the problem.
For Conservatives..America is exceptional because of it's power to destroy. That begins and ends it.
For Liberals? It's the free speech, justice, liberty, and fair play that sets us apart from other nations.
You have it backwards. There are more pro-constitution types in the republican party than the democrat party. The number of neo-con war loving republicans is the same number as the war loving democrats. There are actually more peace loving republicans than there are war loving republicans. Unfortunately the war hawk authoritarians are the one leading both parties. The peace loving folks of both parties get shouted down and called crazy by the authoritarians, media, and military complex. It would seem our military might is no longer for defense and is for sale in the ME and soon asia.
Actually I don't.
When I went to the protest against the Iraq war, in NYC, there were 250K people there.
Personally? I didn't see any Conservatives..not a one.
Course..I didn't check each and every person there..but I am hazarding to say..most conservatives supported killing innocent Iraqis.
It's ALWAYS the lying Right-wingers who are most full of shit who accuse others of being full of shit.What freedoms? The ones you'd desperately like to curtail and have agreed with the current president by vote on? Such as the suspension of habeus corbuis, 2nd amendment rights, 4th A. rights, etc?
Like those ones?
You're so full of shit, I need waders, Shallow.
On Oct. 17, 2006, President Bush suspended the constitutionally bestowed right of writs of habeas corpus, so the POS Right, of course, accuse the Left of doing it to muddy the waters.
So now the Right will accuse Bush of being a Left Wing Democrat!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/op...yria.html?_r=0And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States policy is what makes America different. Its what makes us exceptional. It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lords blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/312534-op-ed-by-vladimir-putin-for-the-american-people.html
And here's the thing. It was an American paper that carried Stalinist Putin's opinion.
No russian paper would pick up an opinion piece by an American leader if it disagreed at all with the Stalinist.
THAT..is what makes America, exceptional.
What is amusing is that you fail to recognize a knife being turned and the use of the words of your nemesis against said nemesis. I'm thinking Putin went a step too far, but as far as 'being the smartest guy in the room' and 'not letting a crisis, (especially good if you didn't cause it), go to waste," Putin is winning so far.
No American is going to like that our President is in this position or that the Russian president is chopping him, thus US, up. However, President Obama needs to stand up and lead. Something Ropey pointed out he has spent 5 years purposefully not doing by ideology-his leading from behind-has failed.
'Exceptionalism' is a mindset that served a useful purpose during the cold war. Today, it is an outdated mantra that disabuses us from focusing on solving our own challenges here at home.
It's ALWAYS the lying Right-wingers who are most full of shit who accuse others of being full of shit.What freedoms? The ones you'd desperately like to curtail and have agreed with the current president by vote on? Such as the suspension of habeus corbuis, 2nd amendment rights, 4th A. rights, etc?
Like those ones?
You're so full of shit, I need waders, Shallow.
On Oct. 17, 2006, President Bush suspended the constitutionally bestowed right of writs of habeas corpus, so the POS Right, of course, accuse the Left of doing it to muddy the waters.
So now the Right will accuse Bush of being a Left Wing Democrat!
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Show me the document that suspends Habeus.
Lincoln and Grant suspended it.... Show me the official document where Bush did.
Bush and Lincoln both Suspended Habeas Corpus
There were differences and similarities
On Oct. 17, 2006, President Bush signed a law suspending the right of habeas corpus to persons "determined by the United States" to be an "enemy combatant" in the Global War on Terror. President Bush's action drew severe criticism, mainly for the law's failure to specifically designate who in the United Stateswill determine who is and who is not an "enemy combatant."
"What, really, a time of shame this is..."
To President Bush's support for the law -- the Military Commissions Act of 2006 -- and its suspension of writs of habeas corpus, Jonathan Turley, professor of constitutional law at George Washington University stated, "What, really, a time of shame this is for the American system. What the Congress did and what the president signed today essentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values."
But it was not the first time.
In fact, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 was not the first time in the history of the U.S. Constitution that its guaranteed right to writs of habeas corpus has been suspended by an action of the President of the United States. In the early days of the U.S. Civil War President Abraham Lincoln suspended writs of habeas corpus. Both presidents based their action on the dangers of war, and both presidents faced sharp criticism for carrying out what many believed to be an attack on the Constitution. There were, however, both similarities and differences between the actions of Presidents Bush and Lincoln.
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Bush's Suspension of Habeas Corpus
President Bush suspended writs of habeas corpus through his support and signing into law of the Military Commissions Act of 2006. The bill grants the President of the United States almost unlimited authority in establishing and conducting military commissions to try persons held by the U.S., and considered to be "unlawful enemy combatants" in the Global War on Terrorism. In addition, the Act suspends the right of "unlawful enemy combatants" to present, or to have presented in their behalf, writs of habeas corpus.
Specifically, the Act states, "No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination."
Importantly, the Military Commissions Act does not affect the hundreds of writs for habeas corpus already filed in federal civilian courts on behalf of persons held by the U.S.as unlawful enemy combatants. The Act only suspends the accused person's right to present writs of habeas corpus until after their trial before the military commission has been completed. As explained in a White House Fact Sheet on the Act, "... our courts should not be misused to hear all manner of other challenges by terrorists lawfully held as enemy combatants in wartime."
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Differences and Similarities
Recalling that the Constitution allows for the suspension of habeas corpus when "Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it," lets consider some of the differences and similarities between the actions of Presidents Bush and Lincoln.
* Presidents Bush and Lincoln both acted to suspend habeas corpus under the powers granted to them as Commander in Chief of the U.S. Military during a time of war.
* President Lincoln acted in the face of an armed rebellion within the United States the U.S. Civil War. President Bushs action was a response to the Global War on Terrorism, considered to have been triggered by the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in New York City and the Pentagon. Both presidents, however, could cite "Invasion" or the much broader term "public Safety" as constitutional triggers for their actions.
* President Lincoln suspended habeas corpus unilaterally, while President Bushs suspension of habeas corpus was approved by Congress through the Military Commissions Act.
* President Lincoln's action suspended the habeas corpus rights of U.S. citizens. The Military Commissions Act of 2006, signed by President Bush, stipulates that the right of habeas corpus should be denied only to aliens "detained by the United States."
* Both suspensions of habeas corpus applied only to persons held in military prisons and tried before military courts. The habeas corpus rights of persons tried in civilian courts were not affected.
Certainly the suspension -- even if temporary or limited -- of any right or freedom granted by the U.S. Constitution is a momentous act that should be carried out in only in the face of dire and unanticipated of circumstances. Circumstances like civil wars and terrorist attacks are certainly both dire and unanticipated. But whether one or both, or neither warranted the suspension of the right of writs of habeas corpus remains open for debate.
The Military Commissions Act of 2006It's ALWAYS the lying Right-wingers who are most full of shit who accuse others of being full of shit.What freedoms? The ones you'd desperately like to curtail and have agreed with the current president by vote on? Such as the suspension of habeus corbuis, 2nd amendment rights, 4th A. rights, etc?
Like those ones?
You're so full of shit, I need waders, Shallow.
On Oct. 17, 2006, President Bush suspended the constitutionally bestowed right of writs of habeas corpus, so the POS Right, of course, accuse the Left of doing it to muddy the waters.
So now the Right will accuse Bush of being a Left Wing Democrat!
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Show me the document that suspends Habeus.
Lincoln and Grant suspended it.... Show me the official document where Bush did.
