Public Schools Produce Dumb Kids

[Iceweasel]

The type of school doesn't matter if the parents are not active.

So why send them to school? My parents didn't do shit and I don't know anyone's that did. They worked. Teachers are supposed to work to but indoctrination is pushed heavily. Academics take a back seat to self esteem and community awareness/social acceptance.

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

I didn't say they taught no academics. Learn to read.


U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows
The United States spends more than other developed nations on its students' education each year, with parents and private foundations picking up more of the costs, an international survey released Tuesday found.

US 17th In Global Education Ranking; Finland, South Korea Claim Top Spots
The U.S. was ranked 17th in an assessment of the education systems of 50 countries, behind several Scandinavian and Asian nations, which claimed the top spots.

Finland and South Korea grabbed first and second places, respectively, in a global league table published by the education firm Pearson, while Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore ranked third, fourth and fifth, respectively.

Sounds like we should pay teachers more:

“Having a better [teacher] is statistically linked not only to higher income later in life but to a range of social results, including lower chances of teenage pregnancy and a greater tendency to save for their own retirement,” the report noted.

The unions won't allow for ridding the district of under performing teachers. You are wearing blinders.

"The United States spends more than other developed nations on its students' education each year,"

 

[Rustic]

Sometimes public schools produce dumb kids. Mike Pence went to public school, for example.

He is a career politician, and a pseudo-conservative… LOL

So he's everything the Trump cult despises.

You do know a career politician can't possibly be conservative?
Lol

 

[Dr.Traveler]

The type of school doesn't matter if the parents are not active.

So why send them to school? My parents didn't do shit and I don't know anyone's that did. They worked. Teachers are supposed to work to but indoctrination is pushed heavily. Academics take a back seat to self esteem and community awareness/social acceptance.

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

Ever hear of Common Core? Where did it come from and who is demanding it be implemented?

Most of the push for Common core comes from the US Military. Military Brats get pretty screwed up education-wise when moved from base to base because standards across States are incompatible.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Sometimes public schools produce dumb kids. Mike Pence went to public school, for example.

He is a career politician, and a pseudo-conservative… LOL

So he's everything the Trump cult despises.

You do know a career politician can't possibly be conservative?
Lol

Who told you that?

 

[gipper]

So why send them to school? My parents didn't do shit and I don't know anyone's that did. They worked. Teachers are supposed to work to but indoctrination is pushed heavily. Academics take a back seat to self esteem and community awareness/social acceptance.

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

They are controlled by administrators of districts that make huge salaries and many districts to an area to spread the wealth among themselves.

Our middle school principal just became our superintendent. He is about 450 lbs of sweaty palmed communist, and the worthless pig he chose to replace him at the Middle School is even worse.

Most padministrators

So why send them to school? My parents didn't do shit and I don't know anyone's that did. They worked. Teachers are supposed to work to but indoctrination is pushed heavily. Academics take a back seat to self esteem and community awareness/social acceptance.

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

Means nothing dick head. Most are leftists.

No, they're not. County by county there are more red counties than blue in the USA, meaning most school boards are populated by folks who come from Republican leaning districts. They're either Republican leaning themselves or are selected by Republican voters.

States have most of the control over schools and again, most of the State legislators are controlled by the GOP. Who also control every state college or University through budgetary powers or the power to appoint members of various Board of Trustees. Even in the case of private schools, the board of Trustees are typically successful alumni (read businessmen), which is a fairly reliable Republican demographic.

Idiot...means nothing if the state is red or blue. Education in the US is controlled by leftists.

 

[brummelben]

So why send them to school? My parents didn't do shit and I don't know anyone's that did. They worked. Teachers are supposed to work to but indoctrination is pushed heavily. Academics take a back seat to self esteem and community awareness/social acceptance.

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

Ever hear of Common Core? Where did it come from and who is demanding it be implemented?

Most of the push for Common core comes from the US Military. Military Brats get pretty screwed up education-wise when moved from base to base because standards across States are incompatible.

Trump tell us that when he is elected he is going to eliminate common core. That just goes to show what an ignoramus he is, and how he plays to the uneducated right. Common core is a state program not federal

 

[Brain357]

The type of school doesn't matter if the parents are not active.

So why send them to school? My parents didn't do shit and I don't know anyone's that did. They worked. Teachers are supposed to work to but indoctrination is pushed heavily. Academics take a back seat to self esteem and community awareness/social acceptance.

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

They don't spend a lot of time watching movies... that is your argument? You can't be serious.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So why send them to school? My parents didn't do shit and I don't know anyone's that did. They worked. Teachers are supposed to work to but indoctrination is pushed heavily. Academics take a back seat to self esteem and community awareness/social acceptance.

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

Means nothing dick head. Most are leftists.

No, they're not. County by county there are more red counties than blue in the USA, meaning most school boards are populated by folks who come from Republican leaning districts. They're either Republican leaning themselves or are selected by Republican voters.

States have most of the control over schools and again, most of the State legislators are controlled by the GOP. Who also control every state college or University through budgetary powers or the power to appoint members of various Board of Trustees. Even in the case of private schools, the board of Trustees are typically successful alumni (read businessmen), which is a fairly reliable Republican demographic.

That's just more evidence that the far right, as a subset of the right, doesn't realize what a small minority they are in the big picture. Americans don't want the far right running our schools.

 

[koshergrl]

So why send them to school? My parents didn't do shit and I don't know anyone's that did. They worked. Teachers are supposed to work to but indoctrination is pushed heavily. Academics take a back seat to self esteem and community awareness/social acceptance.

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

Means nothing dick head. Most are leftists.

That must be the intellectual comment of the day congrats!

Show any representation of *dick* to an American lefty with a desire to *educate* children and they ALWAYS get all giddy.

Why do you think that is?

 

[pismoe]

and WATTERS World is good , people should watch the interviews especially of college kids . Search his links which i will put up in a bit for anyone that is interested OldLady !!

 

[Rustic]

Sometimes public schools produce dumb kids. Mike Pence went to public school, for example.

He is a career politician, and a pseudo-conservative… LOL

So he's everything the Trump cult despises.

You do know a career politician can't possibly be conservative?
Lol

Who told you that?

What is the definition of conservative?
Answering that makes the the question obvious there is no way a career politician can be in anyway conservative. No two ways about it

 

[koshergrl]

Some of the worst, absolute worst schools in the nation are in Red states. Look at 40-51 on that list. Every one of them leans Red most elections. There are no Blue or even leaning Blue states. Or check this list. Red States dominate nearly every "bad" category. So if low education is yielding anything, it's more Republican voters.

But there is a problem with the schools, and the big issue is parental involvement. No amount of money thrown at schools is going to fix things until parents are more involved. And the reason less parents are involved? Because it takes two incomes in the USA now to actually allow a family of four to have a middle class lifestyle. With my wife and I working, we were making six figures a year in combined income. But the kids were starting to suffer in school despite being able to hire tutors, education specialists, occupational and speech therapists, and sending them to the best private school in town. She left her job and now our income is 5 figures. But the kids are doing a whole heck of a lot better in a public school because Mom is available to help them.

Bottom line: Parents make a huge difference. And this isn't getting better until we get to the point that someone (Mom or Dad) can stay home with the kids.

Yes, and the first thing parents need to do is to hold the feet of their teachers to the fire.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Idiot...means nothing if the state is red or blue. Education in the US is controlled by leftists.

Oh it most certainly means everything. You're worried public schools are dumbing down the voters? IF, and it's a big IF, we accept your premise that means those dumbed down voters are coming out of school and voting...Republican. So by your own logic, poor education leads to Republican voters.

It also makes a difference because if you're in a GOP leaning state, then probably your school board, state legislature, and governor are all GOP. School boards especially are decided by Republican leaning voters as they often happen during off cycle elections which favor GOP turn out and have reduced DNC turnout.

So again, the guys holding most of the levers in this process are Republicans. Overwhelmingly. And they produce Republicans.

 

[koshergrl]

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

They are controlled by administrators of districts that make huge salaries and many districts to an area to spread the wealth among themselves.

Our middle school principal just became our superintendent. He is about 450 lbs of sweaty palmed communist, and the worthless pig he chose to replace him at the Middle School is even worse.

move elsewhere, putz

Why would I move? I was here first.

 

[koshergrl]

Idiot...means nothing if the state is red or blue. Education in the US is controlled by leftists.

Oh it most certainly means everything. You're worried public schools are dumbing down the voters? IF, and it's a big IF, we accept your premise that means those dumbed down voters are coming out of school and voting...Republican. So by your own logic, poor education leads to Republican voters.

It also makes a difference because if you're in a GOP leaning state, then probably your school board, state legislature, and governor are all GOP. School boards especially are decided by Republican leaning voters as they often happen during off cycle elections which favor GOP turn out and have reduced DNC turnout.

So again, the guys holding most of the levers in this process are Republicans. Overwhelmingly. And they produce Republicans.

That is a huge line of horseshit. From beginning to end, and you support none of it. Primarily because it's not true, I imagine.

 

[gipper]

The type of school doesn't matter if the parents are not active.

So why send them to school? My parents didn't do shit and I don't know anyone's that did. They worked. Teachers are supposed to work to but indoctrination is pushed heavily. Academics take a back seat to self esteem and community awareness/social acceptance.

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

They don't spend a lot of time watching movies... that is your argument? You can't be serious.

Dumb ass....do you dispute that the p-schools show those movies to their students?

Name one right wing movie they are forced to watch.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You seem to live in a fantasy world. My kids learn a lot of academics obviously. Indoctrination? More crazy right wing conspiracy talk. Come find the real world.

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

Means nothing dick head. Most are leftists.

No, they're not. County by county there are more red counties than blue in the USA, meaning most school boards are populated by folks who come from Republican leaning districts. They're either Republican leaning themselves or are selected by Republican voters.

States have most of the control over schools and again, most of the State legislators are controlled by the GOP. Who also control every state college or University through budgetary powers or the power to appoint members of various Board of Trustees. Even in the case of private schools, the board of Trustees are typically successful alumni (read businessmen), which is a fairly reliable Republican demographic.

That's just more evidence that the far right, as a subset of the right, doesn't realize what a small minority they are in the big picture. Americans don't want the far right running our schools.

Yeah, 'cause you guys have done a bang-up job. Guess what, private and parochial schools are typically run by more conservative types and they turn out much higher caliber students. You do the math... well, get someone to help you do the math.

 

[brummelben]

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

They are controlled by administrators of districts that make huge salaries and many districts to an area to spread the wealth among themselves.

Our middle school principal just became our superintendent. He is about 450 lbs of sweaty palmed communist, and the worthless pig he chose to replace him at the Middle School is even worse.

move elsewhere, putz

Why would I move? I was here first.

Why stay where you are not happy, I am sure you could find a nice conservative school district in Arkansas or Mississippi with the educational equivalent of a 3rd world country

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Some of the worst, absolute worst schools in the nation are in Red states. Look at 40-51 on that list. Every one of them leans Red most elections. There are no Blue or even leaning Blue states. Or check this list. Red States dominate nearly every "bad" category. So if low education is yielding anything, it's more Republican voters.

But there is a problem with the schools, and the big issue is parental involvement. No amount of money thrown at schools is going to fix things until parents are more involved. And the reason less parents are involved? Because it takes two incomes in the USA now to actually allow a family of four to have a middle class lifestyle. With my wife and I working, we were making six figures a year in combined income. But the kids were starting to suffer in school despite being able to hire tutors, education specialists, occupational and speech therapists, and sending them to the best private school in town. She left her job and now our income is 5 figures. But the kids are doing a whole heck of a lot better in a public school because Mom is available to help them.

Bottom line: Parents make a huge difference. And this isn't getting better until we get to the point that someone (Mom or Dad) can stay home with the kids.

Yes, and the first thing parents need to do is to hold the feet of their teachers to the fire.

I'd agree, pushing back against teachers when they're wrong is parent responsibility. But it's hard to do that when both parents are putting in 40 hours a week to be middle class. Which is really unfortunate because the only way to really know what's going on with your schools is to volunteer, show up in the classroom, talk to your kids, and talk to your teachers (not necessarily in that order, but all important). And again, if you're putting in 40 hours a week it's tough to do. If both parents are doing that, it's impossible.

That's the aspect of all this that gets lost in this debate, and it may be the most important. I can say from experience that no amount of money we threw at our children's education solved the problems. What did solve the problem was time. Specifically, our time as parents.

 

[brummelben]

Oh brother....p-schools kids watch Fat Albert's end of the world AGW lies and for an added bonus, watch Fat Mikey Moore's left wing movies. Now...name one film they watch that is right wing? This is to say nothing of the non-stop PC, diversity, homosexual, moral equivalence, big government wonderfulness, socialist shit storm indoctrination they also get.

You don't see the indoctrination...because you are purposely blind.

Public schools are controlled by school boards, made up of parents in those schools.

Means nothing dick head. Most are leftists.

No, they're not. County by county there are more red counties than blue in the USA, meaning most school boards are populated by folks who come from Republican leaning districts. They're either Republican leaning themselves or are selected by Republican voters.

States have most of the control over schools and again, most of the State legislators are controlled by the GOP. Who also control every state college or University through budgetary powers or the power to appoint members of various Board of Trustees. Even in the case of private schools, the board of Trustees are typically successful alumni (read businessmen), which is a fairly reliable Republican demographic.

That's just more evidence that the far right, as a subset of the right, doesn't realize what a small minority they are in the big picture. Americans don't want the far right running our schools.

Yeah, 'cause you guys have done a bang-up job. Guess what, private and parochial schools are typically run by more conservative types and they turn out much higher caliber students. You do the math... well, get someone to help you do the math.

Would you show us some stats to back up your point, or again is this just your biased opinion?