Putin Didn't Hack Us

[jc456]

Trump has made it crystal clear to one and all that he is Putin's bitch. He got down on his knees and greedily swallowed Putin's cock.

It it sickening to see what an obsequious lickspittle this traitor is.

Reagan is spinning in his grave at warp velocity.

so you have the video?

 

[jc456]

There was nothing in those emails that was sufficient to blackmail - it was mostly noise, innuendo and distraction and it served their purpose - sow chaos, distrust in our institutions (media, intelligence, electoral system) by hacking, dissiminating through wikileaks, and propogating fake news

Which would have MORE effective if Clinton had gained POWER and was trying to run an Admin. There was ENOUGH in those DNC emails to cause a chain of resignations, and DOMINATE the news cycle for months. Had all the jabs at Bernie's campaign been released as BLACKMAIL to get favorable deals from a Clinton Admin, it most CERTAINLY would cast doubt on the validity of her election and hobble her effectiveness..

I disagree - what was in the emails that was actually "black mailible" - nothing. Think about it closely. Most of it was "noise" - pre-election noise. There was nothing criminal, or even really embarressing for her. And she's not political novice - she's been scrutinized and investigated more than any other candidate, and she has a lengthy political history behind her.

Even the jabs at Bernie's campaign - nothing illegal, nothing that doesn't occur typically in primary politics (the contact sport)...it was EMBARRASSING to the DNC but had no substantial impact on Clinton's ability to govern has she won and to think they could use it for blackmail as opposed to simple disruption would be highly risky because in all likelihood - she'd laugh at them. Russia has a long history of attempting to disrupt democratic process through disinformation, propoganda etc - from back in the Soviet days, this is right in line with what they typically do only now it's a lot easier.

Their goal is also to get the sanctions lifted - that's hurting them. Putin hates Clinton because she came down tough on Russia's actions in Ukraine. There is no way she would lift the sanctions.

And yet -- as you've been told by various posters here and in other threads. Getting sanctions lifted is EXACTLY what the Podesta Group was hired to do. During the fucking campaign. So how sincere was Clinton's commitment to being "tough on Russia" when her CAMPAIGN MGR is a paid lobbyist for SberBank controlling 1/3 of the total assets in Russia?

This is likely LESS about Putin and MORE about the way the Russian economy is run and controlled by several HUNDRED oligarchs and Mafioso types that Putin is buddies with. They all compete. They ALL hire influence in foreign govts and they all conduct their OWN "foreign intel". INDEPENDENT of FSB/GRU/KGB... For instance, Manafort and Podesta COMPETED for consulting status with some of these same Oligarchy interests. Both in Russia and in the Ukraine. There's a LOT more here than Putin having a circus of inept, incapable clowns in his Intel CyberWar groups.

And there were US investments and money at stake in WHO dominated in the Russian markets. See the huge number of shares of Russian stocks GIVEN to Podesta for his efforts..

In all likelyhood - Russia approached many (including Trump campaign staff and associates) in attempts to get sanctions lifted. Clinton's commitment to Russian sanctions is clear in her own political record regardless of what Podesta might or might not be doing.

Putin has VERY capable "clowns" in his CyberWar groups - extremely so since it took us this long to figure out what they've been chipping away at for a long time and leaving few traces. The only reason we were so clueless before was our people didn't know what to look for before. But eventually, even the best hackers leave traces.

Putin is cold blooded, shrewed and calculating. He's effectively shut down media watchdogs and political dissidents. He has a proven reputation of poisoning or assassinating whistle blowers, journalists, dissidents and political opposition. It's even quite possible that he himself engineered the bombings in the middle of the night...killing hundreds of sleeping people when they pancaked...and blamed on "Chechnyan terrorists". An action that, brought him in to political power. Putin takes the long view on global politics. It doesn't pay to underestimate him.

All the intelligence agencies, Congress, Obama, and the media in collusion? All of these people who are professionals at their job, many serving under multiple administrations in positions of trust suddenly - are corrupted where as before they weren't? That people can't do a professional nonpartisan job solely because they vote D or R?

Nope.. Only requires the CONCENTRATED power vested in proven deviants and liars as James Clapper. HE was the POLITICAL appointee that tasked all the agencies for Admin goals and policies. He's a POLITICAL operative at that point. Despite his years of actual service to these agencies. His NEW job gave him "cross program" access that LITERALLY -- less than a dozen people possess. So just that ONE and maybe a few flaming partisans in other areas like the FBI or DOJ or HSecurity would be sufficient to CORRUPT and weaponize the Intel agencies for political hijinks...

THAT is nightmare of EVERY faithful patriotic person who has served in the Intel areas. And for DECADES the chances of that EVER happening were close to Nil.. Until 9/11 and the Patriot Act and the consolidation of POLITICAL power in Admin controlled new positions and groups were created. Along with that awesome Big Brother Domestic spying operation we ALL have to cope with.. It's a doomsday scenario. An Intel infrastructure political insurgency could take this Republic down in a year...

I totally disagree - you would have to have the press, the Republican congress, and everyone in the intelligence community in on it at the very least and when you consider how leaky and partisan everything is now - there is no way it could be hidden - not from the media and not from the Republicans, and they aren't denying it was Russia.

what the hitlery emails exposed was who she really is. plain and simple. As crooked as the day is long.

Got a link?

to what?

 

[g5000]

Putin must have something on Trump. It is the only explanation for why Trump is pathologically incapable of saying a bad word about Putin, and why he is taking Putin's word over his country.

Trump is clearly a hostage to Putin.

 

[mudwhistle]

Covfefe with two scoops please..Vlad the Impaler would never do anything like that..His hired henchmen would though...But what strikes me as stupid, is to believe that you would believe that Trump doesn't emulate a man that is richer than himself..

Yeah.....and it's strange that your entire argument is based off of your opinion of Trump, not on the facts.

 

[Auld Phart]

There was nothing in those emails that was sufficient to blackmail - it was mostly noise, innuendo and distraction and it served their purpose - sow chaos, distrust in our institutions (media, intelligence, electoral system) by hacking, dissiminating through wikileaks, and propogating fake news

Which would have MORE effective if Clinton had gained POWER and was trying to run an Admin. There was ENOUGH in those DNC emails to cause a chain of resignations, and DOMINATE the news cycle for months. Had all the jabs at Bernie's campaign been released as BLACKMAIL to get favorable deals from a Clinton Admin, it most CERTAINLY would cast doubt on the validity of her election and hobble her effectiveness..

I disagree - what was in the emails that was actually "black mailible" - nothing. Think about it closely. Most of it was "noise" - pre-election noise. There was nothing criminal, or even really embarressing for her. And she's not political novice - she's been scrutinized and investigated more than any other candidate, and she has a lengthy political history behind her.

Even the jabs at Bernie's campaign - nothing illegal, nothing that doesn't occur typically in primary politics (the contact sport)...it was EMBARRASSING to the DNC but had no substantial impact on Clinton's ability to govern has she won and to think they could use it for blackmail as opposed to simple disruption would be highly risky because in all likelihood - she'd laugh at them. Russia has a long history of attempting to disrupt democratic process through disinformation, propoganda etc - from back in the Soviet days, this is right in line with what they typically do only now it's a lot easier.

Their goal is also to get the sanctions lifted - that's hurting them. Putin hates Clinton because she came down tough on Russia's actions in Ukraine. There is no way she would lift the sanctions.

And yet -- as you've been told by various posters here and in other threads. Getting sanctions lifted is EXACTLY what the Podesta Group was hired to do. During the fucking campaign. So how sincere was Clinton's commitment to being "tough on Russia" when her CAMPAIGN MGR is a paid lobbyist for SberBank controlling 1/3 of the total assets in Russia?

This is likely LESS about Putin and MORE about the way the Russian economy is run and controlled by several HUNDRED oligarchs and Mafioso types that Putin is buddies with. They all compete. They ALL hire influence in foreign govts and they all conduct their OWN "foreign intel". INDEPENDENT of FSB/GRU/KGB... For instance, Manafort and Podesta COMPETED for consulting status with some of these same Oligarchy interests. Both in Russia and in the Ukraine. There's a LOT more here than Putin having a circus of inept, incapable clowns in his Intel CyberWar groups.

And there were US investments and money at stake in WHO dominated in the Russian markets. See the huge number of shares of Russian stocks GIVEN to Podesta for his efforts..

In all likelyhood - Russia approached many (including Trump campaign staff and associates) in attempts to get sanctions lifted. Clinton's commitment to Russian sanctions is clear in her own political record regardless of what Podesta might or might not be doing.

Putin has VERY capable "clowns" in his CyberWar groups - extremely so since it took us this long to figure out what they've been chipping away at for a long time and leaving few traces. The only reason we were so clueless before was our people didn't know what to look for before. But eventually, even the best hackers leave traces.

Putin is cold blooded, shrewed and calculating. He's effectively shut down media watchdogs and political dissidents. He has a proven reputation of poisoning or assassinating whistle blowers, journalists, dissidents and political opposition. It's even quite possible that he himself engineered the bombings in the middle of the night...killing hundreds of sleeping people when they pancaked...and blamed on "Chechnyan terrorists". An action that, brought him in to political power. Putin takes the long view on global politics. It doesn't pay to underestimate him.

All the intelligence agencies, Congress, Obama, and the media in collusion? All of these people who are professionals at their job, many serving under multiple administrations in positions of trust suddenly - are corrupted where as before they weren't? That people can't do a professional nonpartisan job solely because they vote D or R?

Nope.. Only requires the CONCENTRATED power vested in proven deviants and liars as James Clapper. HE was the POLITICAL appointee that tasked all the agencies for Admin goals and policies. He's a POLITICAL operative at that point. Despite his years of actual service to these agencies. His NEW job gave him "cross program" access that LITERALLY -- less than a dozen people possess. So just that ONE and maybe a few flaming partisans in other areas like the FBI or DOJ or HSecurity would be sufficient to CORRUPT and weaponize the Intel agencies for political hijinks...

THAT is nightmare of EVERY faithful patriotic person who has served in the Intel areas. And for DECADES the chances of that EVER happening were close to Nil.. Until 9/11 and the Patriot Act and the consolidation of POLITICAL power in Admin controlled new positions and groups were created. Along with that awesome Big Brother Domestic spying operation we ALL have to cope with.. It's a doomsday scenario. An Intel infrastructure political insurgency could take this Republic down in a year...

I totally disagree - you would have to have the press, the Republican congress, and everyone in the intelligence community in on it at the very least and when you consider how leaky and partisan everything is now - there is no way it could be hidden - not from the media and not from the Republicans, and they aren't denying it was Russia.

MOD FIGHT!

Nah...flac's a sweetie

Besides...I hold the keys to....








chocolate (bwahahahaha) [/QUOTE]

(I wondered who had those)

 

[g5000]

The evidence Putin attacked our country is overwhelming. Only retards deny it at this point. Hardcore retards and traitors.

I am not going to bother with willfully blind monkeys who work diligently to avoid looking at the evidence. These people are traitors, owned by Putin.

Trump has seen the evidence and still denies it. He is too in love with Putin, and he is denying the truth and converting his Chumps into traitors.

Trump's Chumps parrot what they are told to parrot, and bleev what they are told to bleev.

Fuck them. Fuck them all.

 

[jc456]

Putin must have something on Trump. It is the only explanation for why Trump is pathologically incapable of saying a bad word about Putin, and why he is taking Putin's word over his country.

Trump is clearly a hostage to Putin.

yeah cause you know it right? you don't need any evidence, all you have to do is say it out loud and it is right? fk the court system and lawyers and everything. g5000 said so, therefore it is. dude you're a kick.

Hey, BTW, when did our constitution die?

 

[westwall]

The evidence Putin attacked our country is overwhelming. Only retards deny it at this point. Hardcore retards and traitors.

I am not going to bother with willfully blind monkeys who work diligently to avoid looking at the evidence. These people are traitors, owned by Putin.

Trump has seen the evidence and still denies it. He is too in love with Putin, and he is denying the truth and converting his Chumps into traitors.

Trump's Chumps parrot what they are told to parrot, and bleev what they are told to bleev.

Fuck them. Fuck them all.

What evidence? Present it. So far we have unsubstantiated claims by ultra biased media talking heads. That's it.

 

[jc456]

The evidence Putin attacked our country is overwhelming. Only retards deny it at this point. Hardcore retards and traitors.

I am not going to bother with willfully blind monkeys who work diligently to avoid looking at the evidence. These people are traitors, owned by Putin.

Trump has seen the evidence and still denies it. He is too in love with Putin, and he is denying the truth and converting his Chumps into traitors.

Trump's Chumps parrot what they are told to parrot, and bleev what they are told to bleev.

Fuck them. Fuck them all.

well then post the evidence if it is sooooo overwhelming already. we've been waiting thirteen months now and no one on your side has brought anything forward. CNN even stated it was a farce. are you doing your cause g5000 said so thingy again?

 

[Tom Horn]

The evidence Putin attacked our country is overwhelming. Only retards deny it at this point. Hardcore retards and traitors.

I am not going to bother with willfully blind monkeys who work diligently to avoid looking at the evidence. These people are traitors, owned by Putin.

Trump has seen the evidence and still denies it. He is too in love with Putin, and he is denying the truth and converting his Chumps into traitors.

Trump's Chumps parrot what they are told to parrot, and bleev what they are told to bleev.

Fuck them. Fuck them all.

 

[The Original Tree]

No one seems to care, with CLINTON & OBAMA Sycophants leaking classified information all over THE FUCKING PLACE, that there have been ZERO LEAKS about any so called EVIDENCE of RUSSIAN HACKING or Collusion.

Has anyone even given one minute of thought to that?

 

[Tom Horn]

No one seems to care, with CLINTON & OBAMA Sycophants leaking classified information all over THE FUCKING PLACE, that there have been ZERO LEAKS about any so called EVIDENCE of RUSSIAN HACKING or Collusion.

Has anyone even given one minute of thought to that?

Comey can't leak to Mueller because he doesn't know anything more than he did and if Mueller catches him leaking to the NYTimes again, he'll have to prosecute his buddy.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Hill has been inspected ,bashed investigated numerous times You got NOTHING on her Russia loved trump that's why they helped him

So your "theory" is Putin screwed over Hillary a woman who will give him anything he wants if he just makes "donation" to the Clinton Foundation or he could just black mail her because: sexism? personal vendetta?

Putin doesn't seem like a guy who would let sexism or a personal vendetta get in the way of what he wants.

 

[The Original Tree]

No one seems to care, with CLINTON & OBAMA Sycophants leaking classified information all over THE FUCKING PLACE, that there have been ZERO LEAKS about any so called EVIDENCE of RUSSIAN HACKING or Collusion.

Has anyone even given one minute of thought to that?

Comey can't leak to Mueller because he doesn't know anything more than he did and if Mueller catches him leaking to the NYTimes again, he'll have to prosecute his buddy.

Mueller and his Army of Attorneys are not there to prosecute anyone. Only if they are forced in to it by leaked information of some sort that would give them no choice.
They are The Cleanup Crew.

Mueller was appointed to sweep Comey, Obama's, Lynch's, Rice's & The DNC and Clinton's Crimes and others under the rug.

Comey botched the job. Now Mueller has to extricate THE DNC and THE OBAMA REGIME out of the mess they put themselves in with their FALSE RUSSIAN NARRATIVE without exposing anyone and specifically without Subpoenaing THE DNC SERVER.

I'd actually be shocked if anyone is prosecuted unless Mueller is forced to create a scapegoat or two who will fall on their sword and keep their mouths shut.

 

[flacaltenn]

There was nothing in those emails that was sufficient to blackmail - it was mostly noise, innuendo and distraction and it served their purpose - sow chaos, distrust in our institutions (media, intelligence, electoral system) by hacking, dissiminating through wikileaks, and propogating fake news

Which would have MORE effective if Clinton had gained POWER and was trying to run an Admin. There was ENOUGH in those DNC emails to cause a chain of resignations, and DOMINATE the news cycle for months. Had all the jabs at Bernie's campaign been released as BLACKMAIL to get favorable deals from a Clinton Admin, it most CERTAINLY would cast doubt on the validity of her election and hobble her effectiveness..

I disagree - what was in the emails that was actually "black mailible" - nothing. Think about it closely. Most of it was "noise" - pre-election noise. There was nothing criminal, or even really embarressing for her. And she's not political novice - she's been scrutinized and investigated more than any other candidate, and she has a lengthy political history behind her.

Even the jabs at Bernie's campaign - nothing illegal, nothing that doesn't occur typically in primary politics (the contact sport)...it was EMBARRASSING to the DNC but had no substantial impact on Clinton's ability to govern has she won and to think they could use it for blackmail as opposed to simple disruption would be highly risky because in all likelihood - she'd laugh at them. Russia has a long history of attempting to disrupt democratic process through disinformation, propoganda etc - from back in the Soviet days, this is right in line with what they typically do only now it's a lot easier.

Their goal is also to get the sanctions lifted - that's hurting them. Putin hates Clinton because she came down tough on Russia's actions in Ukraine. There is no way she would lift the sanctions.

And yet -- as you've been told by various posters here and in other threads. Getting sanctions lifted is EXACTLY what the Podesta Group was hired to do. During the fucking campaign. So how sincere was Clinton's commitment to being "tough on Russia" when her CAMPAIGN MGR is a paid lobbyist for SberBank controlling 1/3 of the total assets in Russia?

This is likely LESS about Putin and MORE about the way the Russian economy is run and controlled by several HUNDRED oligarchs and Mafioso types that Putin is buddies with. They all compete. They ALL hire influence in foreign govts and they all conduct their OWN "foreign intel". INDEPENDENT of FSB/GRU/KGB... For instance, Manafort and Podesta COMPETED for consulting status with some of these same Oligarchy interests. Both in Russia and in the Ukraine. There's a LOT more here than Putin having a circus of inept, incapable clowns in his Intel CyberWar groups.

And there were US investments and money at stake in WHO dominated in the Russian markets. See the huge number of shares of Russian stocks GIVEN to Podesta for his efforts..

In all likelyhood - Russia approached many (including Trump campaign staff and associates) in attempts to get sanctions lifted. Clinton's commitment to Russian sanctions is clear in her own political record regardless of what Podesta might or might not be doing.

Putin has VERY capable "clowns" in his CyberWar groups - extremely so since it took us this long to figure out what they've been chipping away at for a long time and leaving few traces. The only reason we were so clueless before was our people didn't know what to look for before. But eventually, even the best hackers leave traces.

Putin is cold blooded, shrewed and calculating. He's effectively shut down media watchdogs and political dissidents. He has a proven reputation of poisoning or assassinating whistle blowers, journalists, dissidents and political opposition. It's even quite possible that he himself engineered the bombings in the middle of the night...killing hundreds of sleeping people when they pancaked...and blamed on "Chechnyan terrorists". An action that, brought him in to political power. Putin takes the long view on global politics. It doesn't pay to underestimate him.

All the intelligence agencies, Congress, Obama, and the media in collusion? All of these people who are professionals at their job, many serving under multiple administrations in positions of trust suddenly - are corrupted where as before they weren't? That people can't do a professional nonpartisan job solely because they vote D or R?

Nope.. Only requires the CONCENTRATED power vested in proven deviants and liars as James Clapper. HE was the POLITICAL appointee that tasked all the agencies for Admin goals and policies. He's a POLITICAL operative at that point. Despite his years of actual service to these agencies. His NEW job gave him "cross program" access that LITERALLY -- less than a dozen people possess. So just that ONE and maybe a few flaming partisans in other areas like the FBI or DOJ or HSecurity would be sufficient to CORRUPT and weaponize the Intel agencies for political hijinks...

THAT is nightmare of EVERY faithful patriotic person who has served in the Intel areas. And for DECADES the chances of that EVER happening were close to Nil.. Until 9/11 and the Patriot Act and the consolidation of POLITICAL power in Admin controlled new positions and groups were created. Along with that awesome Big Brother Domestic spying operation we ALL have to cope with.. It's a doomsday scenario. An Intel infrastructure political insurgency could take this Republic down in a year...

I totally disagree - you would have to have the press, the Republican congress, and everyone in the intelligence community in on it at the very least and when you consider how leaky and partisan everything is now - there is no way it could be hidden - not from the media and not from the Republicans, and they aren't denying it was Russia.

Everything you assert -- contradicts the basic evidence. Putin's "clowns" got caught EVERY TIME. Professionals don't. There was MASSIVE embarrassment about the content of Podesta/DNC emails. If there wasn't --- it wouldn't have been "a thing" for 4 months. And there wouldn't have been 2 new DNC chairs since.

So you're ignoring what ACTUALLY occurred in order to attempt to contradict the statements I made about how Russian Intel operates.

And NOBODY else was required to "be in on it". Those documents carried the stamp of approval from "all 17 Intel Agencies.. (Except that they didn't -- It was a total Crapper production after all)..

Stick to "the narrative". Ignore how things work. That's why the left never actually UNDERSTANDS how things work...

 

[Coyote]

There was nothing in those emails that was sufficient to blackmail - it was mostly noise, innuendo and distraction and it served their purpose - sow chaos, distrust in our institutions (media, intelligence, electoral system) by hacking, dissiminating through wikileaks, and propogating fake news

Which would have MORE effective if Clinton had gained POWER and was trying to run an Admin. There was ENOUGH in those DNC emails to cause a chain of resignations, and DOMINATE the news cycle for months. Had all the jabs at Bernie's campaign been released as BLACKMAIL to get favorable deals from a Clinton Admin, it most CERTAINLY would cast doubt on the validity of her election and hobble her effectiveness..

I disagree - what was in the emails that was actually "black mailible" - nothing. Think about it closely. Most of it was "noise" - pre-election noise. There was nothing criminal, or even really embarressing for her. And she's not political novice - she's been scrutinized and investigated more than any other candidate, and she has a lengthy political history behind her.

Even the jabs at Bernie's campaign - nothing illegal, nothing that doesn't occur typically in primary politics (the contact sport)...it was EMBARRASSING to the DNC but had no substantial impact on Clinton's ability to govern has she won and to think they could use it for blackmail as opposed to simple disruption would be highly risky because in all likelihood - she'd laugh at them. Russia has a long history of attempting to disrupt democratic process through disinformation, propoganda etc - from back in the Soviet days, this is right in line with what they typically do only now it's a lot easier.

Their goal is also to get the sanctions lifted - that's hurting them. Putin hates Clinton because she came down tough on Russia's actions in Ukraine. There is no way she would lift the sanctions.

And yet -- as you've been told by various posters here and in other threads. Getting sanctions lifted is EXACTLY what the Podesta Group was hired to do. During the fucking campaign. So how sincere was Clinton's commitment to being "tough on Russia" when her CAMPAIGN MGR is a paid lobbyist for SberBank controlling 1/3 of the total assets in Russia?

This is likely LESS about Putin and MORE about the way the Russian economy is run and controlled by several HUNDRED oligarchs and Mafioso types that Putin is buddies with. They all compete. They ALL hire influence in foreign govts and they all conduct their OWN "foreign intel". INDEPENDENT of FSB/GRU/KGB... For instance, Manafort and Podesta COMPETED for consulting status with some of these same Oligarchy interests. Both in Russia and in the Ukraine. There's a LOT more here than Putin having a circus of inept, incapable clowns in his Intel CyberWar groups.

And there were US investments and money at stake in WHO dominated in the Russian markets. See the huge number of shares of Russian stocks GIVEN to Podesta for his efforts..

In all likelyhood - Russia approached many (including Trump campaign staff and associates) in attempts to get sanctions lifted. Clinton's commitment to Russian sanctions is clear in her own political record regardless of what Podesta might or might not be doing.

Putin has VERY capable "clowns" in his CyberWar groups - extremely so since it took us this long to figure out what they've been chipping away at for a long time and leaving few traces. The only reason we were so clueless before was our people didn't know what to look for before. But eventually, even the best hackers leave traces.

Putin is cold blooded, shrewed and calculating. He's effectively shut down media watchdogs and political dissidents. He has a proven reputation of poisoning or assassinating whistle blowers, journalists, dissidents and political opposition. It's even quite possible that he himself engineered the bombings in the middle of the night...killing hundreds of sleeping people when they pancaked...and blamed on "Chechnyan terrorists". An action that, brought him in to political power. Putin takes the long view on global politics. It doesn't pay to underestimate him.

All the intelligence agencies, Congress, Obama, and the media in collusion? All of these people who are professionals at their job, many serving under multiple administrations in positions of trust suddenly - are corrupted where as before they weren't? That people can't do a professional nonpartisan job solely because they vote D or R?

Nope.. Only requires the CONCENTRATED power vested in proven deviants and liars as James Clapper. HE was the POLITICAL appointee that tasked all the agencies for Admin goals and policies. He's a POLITICAL operative at that point. Despite his years of actual service to these agencies. His NEW job gave him "cross program" access that LITERALLY -- less than a dozen people possess. So just that ONE and maybe a few flaming partisans in other areas like the FBI or DOJ or HSecurity would be sufficient to CORRUPT and weaponize the Intel agencies for political hijinks...

THAT is nightmare of EVERY faithful patriotic person who has served in the Intel areas. And for DECADES the chances of that EVER happening were close to Nil.. Until 9/11 and the Patriot Act and the consolidation of POLITICAL power in Admin controlled new positions and groups were created. Along with that awesome Big Brother Domestic spying operation we ALL have to cope with.. It's a doomsday scenario. An Intel infrastructure political insurgency could take this Republic down in a year...

I totally disagree - you would have to have the press, the Republican congress, and everyone in the intelligence community in on it at the very least and when you consider how leaky and partisan everything is now - there is no way it could be hidden - not from the media and not from the Republicans, and they aren't denying it was Russia.

Everything you assert -- contradicts the basic evidence. Putin's "clowns" got caught EVERY TIME. Professionals don't. There was MASSIVE embarrassment about the content of Podesta/DNC emails. If there wasn't --- it wouldn't have been "a thing" for 4 months. And there wouldn't have been 2 new DNC chairs since.

It doesn't contradict basic evidence at all - it contradicts your opinion of the evidence.

How do you KNOW they get caught "every time"? You don't. We also catch NK and Chinese hackers - and they are hardly amateur either. But I doubt we even catch them all the time.

There was embarressment about the DNC emails - but when all the noise died down - there really wasn't much of substance, there was nothing illegal, and nothing worth blackmail. Why was it "a thing" for 4 months? Have you considered the fact that there was an highly partisan election ongoing that might have made and kept it in the media attention - not to mention lots of real and fake news, promises of new leaks of emails etc to keep it in the news? Very skillfully done but you and I both know what becomes news and waht stays in the news isn't necessarily what's important right?

The DNC chairs resigned because it was embarrassing for the DNC and - they could not effectively do their jobs with that sort of media blitz.

So you're ignoring what ACTUALLY occurred in order to attempt to contradict the statements I made about how Russian Intel operates.

And NOBODY else was required to "be in on it". Those documents carried the stamp of approval from "all 17 Intel Agencies.. (Except that they didn't -- It was a total Crapper production after all)..

Stick to "the narrative". Ignore how things work. That's why the left never actually UNDERSTANDS how things work...

I am paying attention to what actually occurred.

If the Russians didn't do it - there would not be agreement, someone would speak out and for sure the REPUBLICANS would use it! That's why it would have to be a conspiracy and that takes a much bigger leap of faith than does Putin, acting as Putin has acted for some time now, and doing what Russia/USSR has long done.

 

[Coyote]

What is actually black mail worthy in this? Hillary’s October Surprise: WikiLeaks Releases Camp Clinton E-mails

 

[jc456]

There was nothing in those emails that was sufficient to blackmail - it was mostly noise, innuendo and distraction and it served their purpose - sow chaos, distrust in our institutions (media, intelligence, electoral system) by hacking, dissiminating through wikileaks, and propogating fake news

Which would have MORE effective if Clinton had gained POWER and was trying to run an Admin. There was ENOUGH in those DNC emails to cause a chain of resignations, and DOMINATE the news cycle for months. Had all the jabs at Bernie's campaign been released as BLACKMAIL to get favorable deals from a Clinton Admin, it most CERTAINLY would cast doubt on the validity of her election and hobble her effectiveness..

I disagree - what was in the emails that was actually "black mailible" - nothing. Think about it closely. Most of it was "noise" - pre-election noise. There was nothing criminal, or even really embarressing for her. And she's not political novice - she's been scrutinized and investigated more than any other candidate, and she has a lengthy political history behind her.

Even the jabs at Bernie's campaign - nothing illegal, nothing that doesn't occur typically in primary politics (the contact sport)...it was EMBARRASSING to the DNC but had no substantial impact on Clinton's ability to govern has she won and to think they could use it for blackmail as opposed to simple disruption would be highly risky because in all likelihood - she'd laugh at them. Russia has a long history of attempting to disrupt democratic process through disinformation, propoganda etc - from back in the Soviet days, this is right in line with what they typically do only now it's a lot easier.

Their goal is also to get the sanctions lifted - that's hurting them. Putin hates Clinton because she came down tough on Russia's actions in Ukraine. There is no way she would lift the sanctions.

And yet -- as you've been told by various posters here and in other threads. Getting sanctions lifted is EXACTLY what the Podesta Group was hired to do. During the fucking campaign. So how sincere was Clinton's commitment to being "tough on Russia" when her CAMPAIGN MGR is a paid lobbyist for SberBank controlling 1/3 of the total assets in Russia?

This is likely LESS about Putin and MORE about the way the Russian economy is run and controlled by several HUNDRED oligarchs and Mafioso types that Putin is buddies with. They all compete. They ALL hire influence in foreign govts and they all conduct their OWN "foreign intel". INDEPENDENT of FSB/GRU/KGB... For instance, Manafort and Podesta COMPETED for consulting status with some of these same Oligarchy interests. Both in Russia and in the Ukraine. There's a LOT more here than Putin having a circus of inept, incapable clowns in his Intel CyberWar groups.

And there were US investments and money at stake in WHO dominated in the Russian markets. See the huge number of shares of Russian stocks GIVEN to Podesta for his efforts..

In all likelyhood - Russia approached many (including Trump campaign staff and associates) in attempts to get sanctions lifted. Clinton's commitment to Russian sanctions is clear in her own political record regardless of what Podesta might or might not be doing.

Putin has VERY capable "clowns" in his CyberWar groups - extremely so since it took us this long to figure out what they've been chipping away at for a long time and leaving few traces. The only reason we were so clueless before was our people didn't know what to look for before. But eventually, even the best hackers leave traces.

Putin is cold blooded, shrewed and calculating. He's effectively shut down media watchdogs and political dissidents. He has a proven reputation of poisoning or assassinating whistle blowers, journalists, dissidents and political opposition. It's even quite possible that he himself engineered the bombings in the middle of the night...killing hundreds of sleeping people when they pancaked...and blamed on "Chechnyan terrorists". An action that, brought him in to political power. Putin takes the long view on global politics. It doesn't pay to underestimate him.

All the intelligence agencies, Congress, Obama, and the media in collusion? All of these people who are professionals at their job, many serving under multiple administrations in positions of trust suddenly - are corrupted where as before they weren't? That people can't do a professional nonpartisan job solely because they vote D or R?

Nope.. Only requires the CONCENTRATED power vested in proven deviants and liars as James Clapper. HE was the POLITICAL appointee that tasked all the agencies for Admin goals and policies. He's a POLITICAL operative at that point. Despite his years of actual service to these agencies. His NEW job gave him "cross program" access that LITERALLY -- less than a dozen people possess. So just that ONE and maybe a few flaming partisans in other areas like the FBI or DOJ or HSecurity would be sufficient to CORRUPT and weaponize the Intel agencies for political hijinks...

THAT is nightmare of EVERY faithful patriotic person who has served in the Intel areas. And for DECADES the chances of that EVER happening were close to Nil.. Until 9/11 and the Patriot Act and the consolidation of POLITICAL power in Admin controlled new positions and groups were created. Along with that awesome Big Brother Domestic spying operation we ALL have to cope with.. It's a doomsday scenario. An Intel infrastructure political insurgency could take this Republic down in a year...

I totally disagree - you would have to have the press, the Republican congress, and everyone in the intelligence community in on it at the very least and when you consider how leaky and partisan everything is now - there is no way it could be hidden - not from the media and not from the Republicans, and they aren't denying it was Russia.

Everything you assert -- contradicts the basic evidence. Putin's "clowns" got caught EVERY TIME. Professionals don't. There was MASSIVE embarrassment about the content of Podesta/DNC emails. If there wasn't --- it wouldn't have been "a thing" for 4 months. And there wouldn't have been 2 new DNC chairs since.

It doesn't contradict basic evidence at all - it contradicts your opinion of the evidence.

How do you KNOW they get caught "every time"? You don't. We also catch NK and Chinese hackers - and they are hardly amateur either. But I doubt we even catch them all the time.

There was embarressment about the DNC emails - but when all the noise died down - there really wasn't much of substance, there was nothing illegal, and nothing worth blackmail. Why was it "a thing" for 4 months? Have you considered the fact that there was an highly partisan election ongoing that might have made and kept it in the media attention - not to mention lots of real and fake news, promises of new leaks of emails etc to keep it in the news? Very skillfully done but you and I both know what becomes news and waht stays in the news isn't necessarily what's important right?

The DNC chairs resigned because it was embarrassing for the DNC and - they could not effectively do their jobs with that sort of media blitz.

So you're ignoring what ACTUALLY occurred in order to attempt to contradict the statements I made about how Russian Intel operates.

And NOBODY else was required to "be in on it". Those documents carried the stamp of approval from "all 17 Intel Agencies.. (Except that they didn't -- It was a total Crapper production after all)..

Stick to "the narrative". Ignore how things work. That's why the left never actually UNDERSTANDS how things work...

I am paying attention to what actually occurred.

If the Russians didn't do it - there would not be agreement, someone would speak out and for sure the REPUBLICANS would use it! That's why it would have to be a conspiracy and that takes a much bigger leap of faith than does Putin, acting as Putin has acted for some time now, and doing what Russia/USSR has long done.

again, the proof they hurt her is in her loss. There wouldn't need to be the whole Russia, Russia, thingy if there wasn't anything there, or butt hurt after the loss. just wouldn't. your premise is all wrong.

 

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Has anyone given any thought to the fact that THE DNC claims their Mail Server was hacked and their Domain is Democrats.org
& The Podesta Emails are from his GMAIL ACCOUNT?

Gmail does not create copies of your emails on your PC or any server. You use a web client to view them remotely.

BUSTED!!

 

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No one seems to care, with CLINTON & OBAMA Sycophants leaking classified information all over THE FUCKING PLACE, that there have been ZERO LEAKS about any so called EVIDENCE of RUSSIAN HACKING or Collusion.

Has anyone even given one minute of thought to that?

Comey can't leak to Mueller because he doesn't know anything more than he did and if Mueller catches him leaking to the NYTimes again, he'll have to prosecute his buddy.

Mueller and his Army of Attorneys are not there to prosecute anyone. Only if they are forced in to it by leaked information of some sort that would give them no choice.
They are The Cleanup Crew.

Mueller was appointed to sweep Comey, Obama's, Lynch's, Rice's & The DNC and Clinton's Crimes and others under the rug.

Comey botched the job. Now Mueller has to extricate THE DNC and THE OBAMA REGIME out of the mess they put themselves in with their FALSE RUSSIAN NARRATIVE without exposing anyone and specifically without Subpoenaing THE DNC SERVER.

I'd actually be shocked if anyone is prosecuted unless Mueller is forced to create a scapegoat or two who will fall on their sword and keep their mouths shut.

Love to see Trump jr and Kirshner do time 2 thieves in a pod