Qanon shaman...likely to get a new trial considering the government withheld video evidence from the defense....

[struth]

It does. The government is required to turn it over before trial.

It never went to trial. He took a plea.

Therefore it didn’t affect his defense because there was no defense.

hahaha Brady evidence has to be turned over regardless of if there is a trial or not. He might not of taken a plea deal had the Govt not violated his Due Process rights.

 

[Care4all]

geez man...let me make this real easy for you: ‘It’s Appalling’: QAnon Shaman’s Lawyer Says DOJ Lied, Withheld Videos Aired By Carlson | The Daily Wire

this article you linked was informative and does explain it better....ty.

when he files his Brady case, and it is accepted, let us know.... I'd like to follow it....

seems like he might have a shot at it.... Not cuz they were not available to him, but because he had no means to quickly sort thru the massive amounts of them for his client and he felt the govt should have provided the sorting software to do it kind of thing....

Maybe that'll work?

Maybe it wont?

 

[struth]

So all you have is a one sided allegation from a criminal defense attorney that you did no fact checking for.

Is that right?

what is there to check? we have seen the videos, the Defense says they never got it....pretty straight forward.

 

[struth]

this article you linked was informative and does explain it better....ty.

when he files his Brady case, and it is accepted, let us know.... I'd like to follow it....

seems like he might have a shot at it.... Not cuz they were not available to him, but because he had no means to quickly sort thru the massive amounts of them for his client and he felt the govt should have provided the sorting software to do it kind of thing....

Maybe that'll work?

Maybe it wont?

maybe he will, yeah we won't know yet

 

[Marener]

what is there to check? we have seen the videos, the Defense says they never got it....pretty straight forward.

And you just take the word of the criminal defense attorney?

 

[Marener]

hahaha Brady evidence has to be turned over regardless of if there is a trial or not. He might not of taken a plea deal had the Govt not violated his Due Process rights.

It’s not the government’s fault he took a plea deal before the government turned over all the Brady material.

Not a due process issue. He chose to take the plea deal.

 

[struth]

And you just take the word of the criminal defense attorney?

versus xiden’s doj? yep.

 

[struth]

It’s not the government’s fault he took a plea deal before the government turned over all the Brady material.

Not a due process issue. He chose to take the plea deal.

yes it is their fault for hiding Brady evidence. They had a duty to turn it all over

 

[Marener]

versus xiden’s doj? yep.

Oh, so you didn’t fact check then. Is it just because you’re lazy or because you’re a partisan hack?

 

[Marener]

yes it is their fault for hiding Brady evidence. They had a duty to turn it all over

They were turning it over but he took a plea deal in the middle of that process.

Why is that the government’s fault?

 

[struth]

Oh, so you didn’t fact check then. Is it just because you’re lazy or because you’re a partisan hack?

yes i fact checked it…they said they didn’t get it all…that what as aired was new. What part of that don’t you grasp?

 

[struth]

They were turning it over but he took a plea deal in the middle of that process.

Why is that the government’s fault?

haha they have a duty to turn it all over before he goes to court and takes the deal.

 

[Marener]

yes i fact checked it…they said they didn’t get it all…that what as aired was new. What part of that don’t you grasp?

You already admitted you didn’t fact check his statements. You said you just took his word for it.

Stop changing your story just because you look lazy and stupid.

 

[Marener]

haha they have a duty to turn it all over before he goes to court and takes the deal.

False. They are not obligated to turn it all over before he takes a plea deal.

They are obligated to turn it all over before it goes to trial so he can have a legal defense. It never went to trial.

 

[struth]

You already admitted you didn’t fact check his statements. You said you just took his word for it.

Stop changing your story just because you look lazy and stupid.

haha what do you mean fact check? there is video, never before seen, the Dems keep it hidden this isn’t disputable

 

[struth]

False. They are not obligated to turn it all over before he takes a plea deal.

They are obligated to turn it all over before it goes to trial so he can have a legal defense. It never went to trial.

haha yes they are. All Brady evidence is to be turned over, there need not be a request for it either

 

[Marener]

haha what do you mean fact check? there is video, never before seen, the Dems keep it hidden this isn’t disputable

You did no fact checking.

Video has never been seen before by who exactly?

I can dispute this all day long.

 

[Marener]

haha yes they are. All Brady evidence is to be turned over, there need not be a request for it either

It needs to be turned over before trial which is what the DoJ was working on.

There’s no obligation to turn it over before he enters a plea deal.

If they hadn’t jumped the gun on the plea deal, he would have gotten anything. It’s not the government’s fault they jumped the gun.

 

[struth]

You did no fact checking.

Video has never been seen before by who exactly?

I can dispute this all day long.

the defense, and well the American people.

 

[martybegan]

But if they could not get them,a suit would be filed for them, and a court would decide, no?

Part of the plea was no appeal except for new evidence, and this might cover that.