Question about Shanksville crash

[DiveCon]

no. a simple mistake is call a reporter a first responder.

you said FIRST RESPONDERS (notice the s on the end) could not smell jet fuel. the ycould and did.

you lied.

backpedal all you want.

naw, I'll give him that he made an error
it's very likely he read that and assumed the quote came from a first responder

Oh shit! I'm shocked! Thank you for that.

Here's the results from the monitoring of soil contamination.
Http://html.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-100064120011002-151006.html

oh, another error
that says no GROUNDWATER contamination

 

[Liability]

Someone forgot to send out the memo saying your petty whining is supposed to have meaning. It has none. All it does is show you're a crybaby Snitch Bitch that is so stoopid you try to compare an F4 to a 757.

you're right... the F4 should hold up much better than a 757.

It's one of the dumbest fuxxing comparisons....ever...on any issue.

Nah. It was a perfectly fine, fair rational and reasonable comparison, as you well know. You are just embarrassed that it exposes what a bunch of douche-tards you Troofers are.

And there is still no such word as "fuxxing" you laughable imbecile.

 

[Liability]

It's my functioning that got me to go:

"hmmm...not very valid to try and compare a two seater plane to a two hundred seater plane for crash debris."

It's like a troofer trying to compare a barbie house to the towers to prove explosives were used.

the jet fighter was only to show what happens to a plane at high speed when hitting concrete, but you are too fucking stupid to understand that analogy

So why are you punks scared of comparing other 757 cashes? Here's a pic of a 757 that crashed into a mountain.

AirDisaster.Com: Accident Photo: American 965

After looking at the pic it's understandable why you avoid such comparisons........

Maybe your comparison is what is fucking stupid. In fact, it is. Not all jet crashes are the same, retard.

Just because one 757 didn't essentially disintegrate when it stalled and struck a mountain does not mean that another 757 in a 550+ mph nose first crash into reclaimed dirt wouldn't disintegrate and largely disappear into the soft earth.

The fact that made my comparison of value was that the speed of the crash ATOMIZED the jet fighter when it hit a solid reinforced brick wall. That roughly same speed on the 757 didn't atomize the jet, but it did cause the craft to break apart into many thousands of small pieces when IT struck softer earth.

The fact is, the high speed of the crash can do very massive damage to a jet.

So stop being a lying retard, PussyPuddle. Tell us, in the crash you pointed to, when the plane stalled and hit the mountain, at what speed did it strike the mountainside and at what angle?

Your dishonest brain is not functioning effectively at all, and you are still deflecting for all you're worth. You complete pussy.

 

[Liability]

So why are you punks scared of comparing other 757 cashes? Here's a pic of a 757 that crashed into a mountain.

AirDisaster.Com: Accident Photo: American 965

After looking at the pic it's understandable why you avoid such comparisons........

"The aircraft crashed while on approach to Cali due to crew/system error. The crew entered a fix into the navigational computer, and the aircraft began to turn the wrong way. At night, in the dark, the crew initiated a climb, but failed to retract the spoilers. The aircraft stalled and hit a mountain."


Hmmm, and you don't see the difference between this and Flying into the ground at full throttle?

OK....

I hate to be the spoiling sport there sport but as a pilot ...let me share with ya that a plane in a stall or about to stall ... the first thing a pilot does is full throttle. Allways..no exceptions.. It may of hit in a stall configuration but you can bet your bippy it was going as fast as it could.

I have seen no evidense that the Shanksville plane was under full throttle.

Bullshit, bullshit and bullshit.

Bullshit 1: If it's in a stall, going full throttle doesn't translate into getting into a high enough speed to come out of the stall.

Bullshit 2: full throttle pretty much straight in (nose first) is quite a bit different than even a relatively high speed where the collision comes in the form of a bellyflop or a glancing blow.

And Bullshit 3: if you haven't "seen" the evidence that the United Flight 93 was going at around 550+ mph into the ground inverted, nose first, at a roughly 40 degree angle, then you haven't bothered to keep up. The NTSB released the report predicated on the recovered FDR.

 

[HUGGY]

"The aircraft crashed while on approach to Cali due to crew/system error. The crew entered a fix into the navigational computer, and the aircraft began to turn the wrong way. At night, in the dark, the crew initiated a climb, but failed to retract the spoilers. The aircraft stalled and hit a mountain."


Hmmm, and you don't see the difference between this and Flying into the ground at full throttle?

OK....

I hate to be the spoiling sport there sport but as a pilot ...let me share with ya that a plane in a stall or about to stall ... the first thing a pilot does is full throttle. Allways..no exceptions.. It may of hit in a stall configuration but you can bet your bippy it was going as fast as it could.

I have seen no evidense that the Shanksville plane was under full throttle.

Bullshit, bullshit and bullshit.

Bullshit 1: If it's in a stall, going full throttle doesn't translate into getting into a high enough speed to come out of the stall.

Bullshit 2: full throttle pretty much straight in (nose first) is quite a bit different than even a relatively high speed where the collision comes in the form of a bellyflop or a glancing blow.

And Bullshit 3: if you haven't "seen" the evidence that the United Flight 93 was going at around 550+ mph into the ground inverted, nose first, at a roughly 40 degree angle, then you haven't bothered to keep up. The NTSB released the report predicated on the recovered FDR.

Look counselor....do I come arounde telling you how to write up eviction notices when you throw old ladies an children out on the street for non payment of your legal fees on class action suits ya trick em into signing?No..I do not.

I would appreciate you mindin your own damn bidnez in the cockpit then...If you do not believe me then look in ANY flight manual..

Look under emegency proceedures

Sub heading anti stall proceedure

The VERY FIRST thing the pilot must do is add full power

That is all

 

[HUGGY]

OK that isn't all...ya need to push the yoke forward rapidly and push rudder hard opposite the spin of the stall..THAT is all

 

[Liability]

I hate to be the spoiling sport there sport but as a pilot ...let me share with ya that a plane in a stall or about to stall ... the first thing a pilot does is full throttle. Allways..no exceptions.. It may of hit in a stall configuration but you can bet your bippy it was going as fast as it could.

I have seen no evidense that the Shanksville plane was under full throttle.

Bullshit, bullshit and bullshit.

Bullshit 1: If it's in a stall, going full throttle doesn't translate into getting into a high enough speed to come out of the stall.

Bullshit 2: full throttle pretty much straight in (nose first) is quite a bit different than even a relatively high speed where the collision comes in the form of a bellyflop or a glancing blow.

And Bullshit 3: if you haven't "seen" the evidence that the United Flight 93 was going at around 550+ mph into the ground inverted, nose first, at a roughly 40 degree angle, then you haven't bothered to keep up. The NTSB released the report predicated on the recovered FDR.

Look counselor....do I come arounde telling you how to write up eviction notices when you throw old ladies an children out on the street for non payment of your legal fees on class action suits ya trick em into signing?No..I do not.

I would appreciate you mindin your own damn bidnez in the cockpit then...If you do not believe me then look in ANY flight manual..

Look under emegency proceedures

Sub heading anti stall proceedure

The VERY FIRST thing the pilot must do is add full power

That is all

That you are full of it is clear.

A lot depends on the REASON for the stall.

An attempt to add thrust will not help a shit load, as you know or should know, if the stall is related to a mechanical loss of engine power or if it's based on an attack angle that has resulted in the kind of turbulence that prevents the pilot from coming out of the stall.

Furthermore, the problem with most stalls is related to insufficient ALTITUDE to permit time to come out of the stall. The 757 plane crash the ever-dishonest bent tight shared was of a plane that went into a MOUNTAIN. The problem of insufficient altitude there is obvious.

In any event, there's still no valid reason or honest basis to deny that United Flight 93, which went down due to the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001, was traveling at over 550 mph into the ground.* That problem, Smuggy, was NOT a stall-related issue.

BTW, given the way you write (i.e., illiterately), you clearly couldn't offer any useful advice to me in drafting any legal documents. Oh, and the law I practice doesn't involve evicting anybody, nor do I engage in the practice of filing class action civil suits. Nice try, but you remain full of it.

____________________
* Since I remain ever- ready to clarify things for feeble-minded simpletons Troofers, I will AGAIN share the actual information:

From 10:00 to 10:02 there were four distinct control column inputs that caused the airplane to pitch nose-up (climb) and nose-down (dive) aggressively. During this time the airplane climbed to about 10,000 feet while turning to the right. The airplane then pitched nose-down and rolled to the right in response to flight control inputs, and impacted the ground at about 490 knots in a 40 degree nose-down, inverted attitude. The time of impact was 10:03:11.

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight _Path_ Study_UA93.pdf

It is hoped that you are not quite as far "gone" as the always dishonest scum like bent tight and 911 rimjob.

 

[Fizz]

OK that isn't all...ya need to push the yoke forward rapidly and push rudder hard opposite the spin of the stall..THAT is all

yep... full throttle, drop the nose and step on the high wing.

 

[Liability]

I came across an interesting excerpt of a 1960's Time magazine article about a similar (not an exactly corresponding) crash.

The plane and its final explosion blew out a smoldering crater 50 ft. wide and 25 ft. deep. Civil Aeronautics Board crash specialists found empty, neatly laced shoes, a stray airmail letter, a bloodstained blouse, a prayer book lying open at the Litany of the Saints ("Lord have mercy on us..."). Source: "Why This Failure..." Time Magazine, March 28, 1960

There is a crater--it appears to be quite deep...perhaps 35 feet deep. There is thick smoke. I can barely make out the twisted wreckage of a large aircraft. The plane appears to have slammed itself nose first into the ground. I don't see how anyone could possibly have survived this kind of impact. As I look around in the snow I see slivers of silver/green metal, spilled fuel, and debris. I see no bodies...only indistinguishable remnants of human remains. Here is the largest identifiable piece of humanity: a part of a backbone that is still connected to a kidney. These people...these poor people. What must have happened? How long must they have known their inescapable fate? The wing and engine we first found must have been 3 or 4 miles away. I've never seen anything like this before...

...For days the Graves and Registration Troops continued to sift through the 4 or 5 acres of the wreckage, often mistaking pieces of pink airplane insulation for frozen pieces of human flesh. The smell of charred bodies, once frozen--then thawed--remains with me today. I came home from the crash site that first night and threw away my clothes. We reported the story to ABC, CBS, NBC, Canada and Mexico. A Two-inch communication cable was laid by Bell Telephone all the way from Cannelton to the crash site. Ultimately 8 or 9 coffins were provided to hold the recovered human remains of the 63 passengers and 6 crew members. All were buried in Greenwood Cemetery, but, in truth, only 2 of them actually held any contents at all. The other 6 were empty--symbolic gestures of grief. Source


It struck a field at 618 MPH. Mud, dirt, grass, shrubs and mottled snow were tossed 250 ft into the air. The debris fell back around a muddy crater forty feet wide. From this gaping wound in the earth poured smouldering smoke. There were pieces of wreckage around the perfectly formed rim. Some other metal fragments were hurled fifteen hundred feet away. But the one hundred foot fuselage itself had disappeared entirely.

In the crater, buried twelve feet under this smoking cauldron, was what was left of Northwest Airlines flight 710 - and the 33 men, 21 woman and 8 children and 1 infant aboard.
From "The Electra Story," 1963

flight93page2 (wtc7lies)

 

[eots]

I came across an interesting excerpt of a 1960's Time magazine article about a similar (not an exactly corresponding) crash.

The plane and its final explosion blew out a smoldering crater 50 ft. wide and 25 ft. deep. Civil Aeronautics Board crash specialists found empty, neatly laced shoes, a stray airmail letter, a bloodstained blouse, a prayer book lying open at the Litany of the Saints ("Lord have mercy on us..."). Source: "Why This Failure..." Time Magazine, March 28, 1960

There is a crater--it appears to be quite deep...perhaps 35 feet deep. There is thick smoke. I can barely make out the twisted wreckage of a large aircraft. The plane appears to have slammed itself nose first into the ground. I don't see how anyone could possibly have survived this kind of impact. As I look around in the snow I see slivers of silver/green metal, spilled fuel, and debris. I see no bodies...only indistinguishable remnants of human remains. Here is the largest identifiable piece of humanity: a part of a backbone that is still connected to a kidney. These people...these poor people. What must have happened? How long must they have known their inescapable fate? The wing and engine we first found must have been 3 or 4 miles away. I've never seen anything like this before...

...For days the Graves and Registration Troops continued to sift through the 4 or 5 acres of the wreckage, often mistaking pieces of pink airplane insulation for frozen pieces of human flesh. The smell of charred bodies, once frozen--then thawed--remains with me today. I came home from the crash site that first night and threw away my clothes. We reported the story to ABC, CBS, NBC, Canada and Mexico. A Two-inch communication cable was laid by Bell Telephone all the way from Cannelton to the crash site. Ultimately 8 or 9 coffins were provided to hold the recovered human remains of the 63 passengers and 6 crew members. All were buried in Greenwood Cemetery, but, in truth, only 2 of them actually held any contents at all. The other 6 were empty--symbolic gestures of grief. Source


It struck a field at 618 MPH. Mud, dirt, grass, shrubs and mottled snow were tossed 250 ft into the air. The debris fell back around a muddy crater forty feet wide. From this gaping wound in the earth poured smouldering smoke. There were pieces of wreckage around the perfectly formed rim. Some other metal fragments were hurled fifteen hundred feet away. But the one hundred foot fuselage itself had disappeared entirely.

In the crater, buried twelve feet under this smoking cauldron, was what was left of Northwest Airlines flight 710 - and the 33 men, 21 woman and 8 children and 1 infant aboard.
From "The Electra Story," 1963

flight93page2 (wtc7lies)

?????

 

[Liability]

* * * *

?????

More:

DISASTERS: Why This Failure . . . - TIME

 

[CurveLight]

I came across an interesting excerpt of a 1960's Time magazine article about a similar (not an exactly corresponding) crash.

The plane and its final explosion blew out a smoldering crater 50 ft. wide and 25 ft. deep. Civil Aeronautics Board crash specialists found empty, neatly laced shoes, a stray airmail letter, a bloodstained blouse, a prayer book lying open at the Litany of the Saints ("Lord have mercy on us..."). Source: "Why This Failure..." Time Magazine, March 28, 1960

There is a crater--it appears to be quite deep...perhaps 35 feet deep. There is thick smoke. I can barely make out the twisted wreckage of a large aircraft. The plane appears to have slammed itself nose first into the ground. I don't see how anyone could possibly have survived this kind of impact. As I look around in the snow I see slivers of silver/green metal, spilled fuel, and debris. I see no bodies...only indistinguishable remnants of human remains. Here is the largest identifiable piece of humanity: a part of a backbone that is still connected to a kidney. These people...these poor people. What must have happened? How long must they have known their inescapable fate? The wing and engine we first found must have been 3 or 4 miles away. I've never seen anything like this before...

...For days the Graves and Registration Troops continued to sift through the 4 or 5 acres of the wreckage, often mistaking pieces of pink airplane insulation for frozen pieces of human flesh. The smell of charred bodies, once frozen--then thawed--remains with me today. I came home from the crash site that first night and threw away my clothes. We reported the story to ABC, CBS, NBC, Canada and Mexico. A Two-inch communication cable was laid by Bell Telephone all the way from Cannelton to the crash site. Ultimately 8 or 9 coffins were provided to hold the recovered human remains of the 63 passengers and 6 crew members. All were buried in Greenwood Cemetery, but, in truth, only 2 of them actually held any contents at all. The other 6 were empty--symbolic gestures of grief. Source


It struck a field at 618 MPH. Mud, dirt, grass, shrubs and mottled snow were tossed 250 ft into the air. The debris fell back around a muddy crater forty feet wide. From this gaping wound in the earth poured smouldering smoke. There were pieces of wreckage around the perfectly formed rim. Some other metal fragments were hurled fifteen hundred feet away. But the one hundred foot fuselage itself had disappeared entirely.

In the crater, buried twelve feet under this smoking cauldron, was what was left of Northwest Airlines flight 710 - and the 33 men, 21 woman and 8 children and 1 infant aboard.
From "The Electra Story," 1963

flight93page2 (wtc7lies)

Thanks for helping show why there are problems with flight 93.

"We are at that location now and can report that we have found a wing, part of what appears to be a fuselage undercarriage, and a large engine."
Http://www.perrycountyindiana.org/attractions/aircrashnarr.cfm


The Electra Story is not very reliable. It claims the crater was 35 feet deep. That's almost three times as the twelve foot depth stated in the CAB Report. They could also see fragments of a wing, the upper and lower rudders, and a horizontal piece of the tail structure.

 

[CurveLight]

* * * *

?????

More:

DISASTERS: Why This Failure . . . - TIME

Article is scant on details and it claims the crater was 25 feet deep when the official CAB Report states it is only 12 feet deep.

 

[CurveLight]

naw, I'll give him that he made an error
it's very likely he read that and assumed the quote came from a first responder

Oh shit! I'm shocked! Thank you for that.

Here's the results from the monitoring of soil contamination.
Http://html.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-100064120011002-151006.html

oh, another error
that says no GROUNDWATER contamination

There was no soil contamination.

 

[Liability]

Oh shit! I'm shocked! Thank you for that.

Here's the results from the monitoring of soil contamination.
Http://html.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-100064120011002-151006.html

oh, another error
that says no GROUNDWATER contamination

There was no soil contamination.

Bringing us back to:

"Source?"

 

[Liability]

At the same time, the high winds that buffeted the area over the last few days have dislodged additional airplane parts – seat cushions, wiring, carpet fragments and pieces of metal – from trees near the crash site. "It's all aircraft parts, no human remains," Miller said. "We've collected them in 10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United." –Wallace Miller

flight93page2 (wtc7lies)

 

[CurveLight]

Bullshit, bullshit and bullshit.

Bullshit 1: If it's in a stall, going full throttle doesn't translate into getting into a high enough speed to come out of the stall.

Bullshit 2: full throttle pretty much straight in (nose first) is quite a bit different than even a relatively high speed where the collision comes in the form of a bellyflop or a glancing blow.

And Bullshit 3: if you haven't "seen" the evidence that the United Flight 93 was going at around 550+ mph into the ground inverted, nose first, at a roughly 40 degree angle, then you haven't bothered to keep up. The NTSB released the report predicated on the recovered FDR.

Look counselor....do I come arounde telling you how to write up eviction notices when you throw old ladies an children out on the street for non payment of your legal fees on class action suits ya trick em into signing?No..I do not.

I would appreciate you mindin your own damn bidnez in the cockpit then...If you do not believe me then look in ANY flight manual..

Look under emegency proceedures

Sub heading anti stall proceedure

The VERY FIRST thing the pilot must do is add full power

That is all

That you are full of it is clear.

A lot depends on the REASON for the stall.

An attempt to add thrust will not help a shit load, as you know or should know, if the stall is related to a mechanical loss of engine power or if it's based on an attack angle that has resulted in the kind of turbulence that prevents the pilot from coming out of the stall.

Furthermore, the problem with most stalls is related to insufficient ALTITUDE to permit time to come out of the stall. The 757 plane crash the ever-dishonest bent tight shared was of a plane that went into a MOUNTAIN. The problem of insufficient altitude there is obvious.

In any event, there's still no valid reason or honest basis to deny that United Flight 93, which went down due to the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001, was traveling at over 550 mph into the ground.* That problem, Smuggy, was NOT a stall-related issue.

BTW, given the way you write (i.e., illiterately), you clearly couldn't offer any useful advice to me in drafting any legal documents. Oh, and the law I practice doesn't involve evicting anybody, nor do I engage in the practice of filing class action civil suits. Nice try, but you remain full of it.

____________________
* Since I remain ever- ready to clarify things for feeble-minded simpletons Troofers, I will AGAIN share the actual information:

From 10:00 to 10:02 there were four distinct control column inputs that caused the airplane to pitch nose-up (climb) and nose-down (dive) aggressively. During this time the airplane climbed to about 10,000 feet while turning to the right. The airplane then pitched nose-down and rolled to the right in response to flight control inputs, and impacted the ground at about 490 knots in a 40 degree nose-down, inverted attitude. The time of impact was 10:03:11.

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight _Path_ Study_UA93.pdf

It is hoped that you are not quite as far "gone" as the always dishonest scum like bent tight and 911 rimjob.

Only a dumfuk like you could try to ignore the comparison. What the fuck does "insufficient altitude" have to do with the fact you can clearly see aircraft wreckage after it hit a mountain? You accuse me of being dishonest for having the audacity to compare other 757 crashes but you want to try and pass off your F4 comparison? Damn Snitch Bitch!

Here is another great moment in OCTA hypocrisy. For pages and pages you guys have been screaming veracity for the F4 comparison for 93. But you've been doing this at your own peril. You've claimed the F4 is built much stronger than a 757. There was one concrete wall and the 64 couldn't break through it. (see where this is going yet?)

If the F4 couldn't get through one concrete wall then how did flight 77 make through several newly constructed reinforced concrete walls?

(lemme guess......suddenly the F4 is not a valid comparison)

Time Saver:

The OCTA narrative says you can only make comparisons when they reinforce the OCT but if they do anything else they are automatically invalid.

 

[CurveLight]

At the same time, the high winds that buffeted the area over the last few days have dislodged additional airplane parts – seat cushions, wiring, carpet fragments and pieces of metal – from trees near the crash site. "It's all aircraft parts, no human remains," Miller said. "We've collected them in 10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United." –Wallace Miller

flight93page2 (wtc7lies)

Miller is pointing out the lack of human remains. Do you notice anything odd about the article? It states there are no human remains yet claims DNA matching was done. That's impossible. You have to have remains for a dna match. Let's look at what else Miller had to say:

He told author David McCall: "I got to the actual crash site and could not
believe what I saw. ... Usually you see much debris, wreckage, and much
noise and commotion. This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no
bodies, and no noise. ... It appeared as though there were no passengers
or crew on this plane." (David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph, 2002, pp.
86-87)
He told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "It was as if the plane had stopped
and let the passengers off before it crashed." (Tom Gibb, "Newsmaker:
Coroner's quiet unflappability helps him take charge of Somerset tragedy,"
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 10/15/2001)
He told CNN: "It was a really a very unusual site. You almost would've
thought the passengers had been dropped off somewhere. ... Even by the
standard model of an airplane crash, there was very little, even by those
standards." (CNN, 3/11/2002)
Author Jere Longman wrote: "Wallace Miller, the Somerset County coroner,
arrived and walked around the [crash] site with [assistant volunteer fire
chief Rick] King. ... They walked around for an hour and found almost no
human remains. 'If you didn't know, you would have thought no one was
on the plane,' Miller said. 'You would have thought they dropped them off
somewhere.'" (Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, 2002, p. 217)
Recalling the crash scene, Miller told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: "This
is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood.
Not a drop." (Robb Frederick, "The day that changed America," Pittsburgh
Tribune-Review, 9/11/2002)
Australian newspaper The Age reported: "Miller was familiar with scenes of
sudden and violent death, although none quite like this. Walking in his
gumboots, the only recognisable body part he saw was a piece of spinal
cord, with five vertebrae attached. 'I've seen a lot of highway fatalities
where there's fragmentation,' Miller said. 'The interesting thing about this
particular case is that I haven't, to this day, 11 months later, seen any
single drop of blood. Not a drop. The only thing I can deduce is that the
crash was over in half a second. There was a fireball 15-20 metres high, so
all of that material just got vaporised.'" ("On Hallowed Ground," The Age,
9/9/2002)


Looks like Miller is your new F4.

 

[Liability]

Look counselor....do I come arounde telling you how to write up eviction notices when you throw old ladies an children out on the street for non payment of your legal fees on class action suits ya trick em into signing?No..I do not.

I would appreciate you mindin your own damn bidnez in the cockpit then...If you do not believe me then look in ANY flight manual..

Look under emegency proceedures

Sub heading anti stall proceedure

The VERY FIRST thing the pilot must do is add full power

That is all

That you are full of it is clear.

A lot depends on the REASON for the stall.

An attempt to add thrust will not help a shit load, as you know or should know, if the stall is related to a mechanical loss of engine power or if it's based on an attack angle that has resulted in the kind of turbulence that prevents the pilot from coming out of the stall.

Furthermore, the problem with most stalls is related to insufficient ALTITUDE to permit time to come out of the stall. The 757 plane crash the ever-dishonest bent tight shared was of a plane that went into a MOUNTAIN. The problem of insufficient altitude there is obvious.

In any event, there's still no valid reason or honest basis to deny that United Flight 93, which went down due to the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001, was traveling at over 550 mph into the ground.* That problem, Smuggy, was NOT a stall-related issue.

BTW, given the way you write (i.e., illiterately), you clearly couldn't offer any useful advice to me in drafting any legal documents. Oh, and the law I practice doesn't involve evicting anybody, nor do I engage in the practice of filing class action civil suits. Nice try, but you remain full of it.

____________________
* Since I remain ever- ready to clarify things for feeble-minded simpletons Troofers, I will AGAIN share the actual information:

From 10:00 to 10:02 there were four distinct control column inputs that caused the airplane to pitch nose-up (climb) and nose-down (dive) aggressively. During this time the airplane climbed to about 10,000 feet while turning to the right. The airplane then pitched nose-down and rolled to the right in response to flight control inputs, and impacted the ground at about 490 knots in a 40 degree nose-down, inverted attitude. The time of impact was 10:03:11.

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight _Path_ Study_UA93.pdf

It is hoped that you are not quite as far "gone" as the always dishonest scum like bent tight and 911 rimjob.

Only a dumfuk like you could try to ignore the comparison. What the fuck does "insufficient altitude" have to do with the fact you can clearly see aircraft wreckage after it hit a mountain? You accuse me of being dishonest for having the audacity to compare other 757 crashes but you want to try and pass off your F4 comparison? Damn Snitch Bitch!

Here is another great moment in OCTA hypocrisy. For pages and pages you guys have been screaming veracity for the F4 comparison for 93. But you've been doing this at your own peril. You've claimed the F4 is built much stronger than a 757. There was one concrete wall and the 64 couldn't break through it. (see where this is going yet?)

If the F4 couldn't get through one concrete wall then how did flight 77 make through several newly constructed reinforced concrete walls?

(lemme guess......suddenly the F4 is not a valid comparison)

Time Saver:

The OCTA narrative says you can only make comparisons when they reinforce the OCT but if they do anything else they are automatically invalid.

It is always amusing to see the asshole retard of this thread, an imbecile still straining to figure out the implication of his first clue, refer to anybody else as a dumb fuck, even though the retard is too tragically stupid to spell it correctly!

Insufficient altitude, retard, translates into the fact that there may have been insufficient time and space between jet and ground for the pilot to come out of his stall. His stall could also mean that he had lost a good deal of airspeed.

Again, you evasive pussy, tell us the precise location of that crash you referenced (you don't know), the Flight number (you don't know), the date of the crash (you don't know), the actual speed at which the plane came into contact with the ground (you don't know) and it's attitude at the moment of initial contact with the ground (you don't know).

The reason you won't respond to any of these questions is because (a) you don't know and (b) you never take a firm stand or answer direct questions, PussyPuddle. You remain a coward.

 

[CurveLight]

naw, I'll give him that he made an error
it's very likely he read that and assumed the quote came from a first responder

Oh shit! I'm shocked! Thank you for that.

Here's the results from the monitoring of soil contamination.
Http://html.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-100064120011002-151006.html

oh, another error
that says no GROUNDWATER contamination

The first error was largely irrelevant as it cited people who were among the first on the scene. It doesn't matter if they were reporters or paramedics. As for this......

"The soil is being tested for jet fuel, and at least three test wells have been sunk to monitor groundwater, since three nearby homes are served by wells, Betsy Mallison, a state Department of Environmental Protection spokeswoman, said. So far, no contamination has been discovered, she said."
Http://www.postgazette.com/headlines/20011003crash1003p3.asp