Question about Shanksville crash

[CurveLight]

OMG, sheesh the first floor didnt not have the gaps of the rings, it went all the way through as ONE FLOOR to the inside of ring C
they even had PHOTOS to prove it

Their pictures don't prove their claim.

"A great deal of thought has been given to protecting the Pentagon from fire. Its steel-reinforced concrete construction makes it a fire resistant building. In addition, the main interior walls above the basement level are of masonry."

And....


"To conserve steel and other metals, concrete ramps instead of elevators were used to connect the floors, and the outside walls were made of reinforced concrete."
Http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/The_Pentagon.html

yeah, no shit
but the FIRST FLOOR WAS CONTINUOUS from ring E to ring C
get that through your fucking thick skull

"The one element of the Pentagon not constructed of reinforced concrete is the outermost perimeter wall."

"Thus, we call the perimeter walls of each ring the lightwell walls. The lightwell walls, constructed of poured in place, reinforced concrete, are both bearing and shear walls."
STRUCTUREmag: The Pentagon Lightwell Walls


So the outer most wall (when originally built) was not reinforced concrete but the others were. You seem to have fallen for the misinformation on that pro-OCT website. The first floor being continuous does not mean there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor. Do you know what load bearing and shear walls are? The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor. The Pentagon is a slab on grade design so together with the info in my link about load bearing and shear walls, it's obvious the first floor of each ring had the reinforced concrete walls. Why? What would happen if you tried to place concrete walls three stories high but used a weaker material for the first floor? The whole fuxxing building would collapse.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

The renovation made the outer most wall a reinforced wall back with steel and kevlar and the other walls were reinforced concrete. One of my main beefs is the exit hole of the C-ring. No, not the diameter. It's a dead center line from the point of entry and there is nothing there showing exactly what made the hole. With all the debris flying around how the hell did (whatever) maintain that nice straight line from the E to C ring?

 

[DiveCon]

Their pictures don't prove their claim.

"A great deal of thought has been given to protecting the Pentagon from fire. Its steel-reinforced concrete construction makes it a fire resistant building. In addition, the main interior walls above the basement level are of masonry."

And....


"To conserve steel and other metals, concrete ramps instead of elevators were used to connect the floors, and the outside walls were made of reinforced concrete."
Http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/The_Pentagon.html

yeah, no shit
but the FIRST FLOOR WAS CONTINUOUS from ring E to ring C
get that through your fucking thick skull

"The one element of the Pentagon not constructed of reinforced concrete is the outermost perimeter wall."

"Thus, we call the perimeter walls of each ring the lightwell walls. The lightwell walls, constructed of poured in place, reinforced concrete, are both bearing and shear walls."
STRUCTUREmag: The Pentagon Lightwell Walls


So the outer most wall (when originally built) was not reinforced concrete but the others were. You seem to have fallen for the misinformation on that pro-OCT website. The first floor being continuous does not mean there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor. Do you know what load bearing and shear walls are? The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor. The Pentagon is a slab on grade design so together with the info in my link about load bearing and shear walls, it's obvious the first floor of each ring had the reinforced concrete walls. Why? What would happen if you tried to place concrete walls three stories high but used a weaker material for the first floor? The whole fuxxing building would collapse.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

The renovation made the outer most wall a reinforced wall back with steel and kevlar and the other walls were reinforced concrete. One of my main beefs is the exit hole of the C-ring. No, not the diameter. It's a dead center line from the point of entry and there is nothing there showing exactly what made the hole. With all the debris flying around how the hell did (whatever) maintain that nice straight line from the E to C ring?

GOD DAMN YOU ARE STUPID
there were no ring walls on the first floor
it was continuous from the outter wall to the inner wall of ring C

look at the photo in figure 2
it shows HOW MANY FLOORS of windows and you can see it is a roof on the bottom

 

[SFC Ollie]

Their pictures don't prove their claim.

"A great deal of thought has been given to protecting the Pentagon from fire. Its steel-reinforced concrete construction makes it a fire resistant building. In addition, the main interior walls above the basement level are of masonry."

And....


"To conserve steel and other metals, concrete ramps instead of elevators were used to connect the floors, and the outside walls were made of reinforced concrete."
Http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/The_Pentagon.html

yeah, no shit
but the FIRST FLOOR WAS CONTINUOUS from ring E to ring C
get that through your fucking thick skull

"The one element of the Pentagon not constructed of reinforced concrete is the outermost perimeter wall."

"Thus, we call the perimeter walls of each ring the lightwell walls. The lightwell walls, constructed of poured in place, reinforced concrete, are both bearing and shear walls."
STRUCTUREmag: The Pentagon Lightwell Walls


So the outer most wall (when originally built) was not reinforced concrete but the others were. You seem to have fallen for the misinformation on that pro-OCT website. The first floor being continuous does not mean there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor. Do you know what load bearing and shear walls are? The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor. The Pentagon is a slab on grade design so together with the info in my link about load bearing and shear walls, it's obvious the first floor of each ring had the reinforced concrete walls. Why? What would happen if you tried to place concrete walls three stories high but used a weaker material for the first floor? The whole fuxxing building would collapse.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

The renovation made the outer most wall a reinforced wall back with steel and kevlar and the other walls were reinforced concrete. One of my main beefs is the exit hole of the C-ring. No, not the diameter. It's a dead center line from the point of entry and there is nothing there showing exactly what made the hole. With all the debris flying around how the hell did (whatever) maintain that nice straight line from the E to C ring?

Force of blast. a whole lot of jet fuel going boom at once while headed into the building makes for one big fiery blast.

 

[CurveLight]

yeah, no shit
but the FIRST FLOOR WAS CONTINUOUS from ring E to ring C
get that through your fucking thick skull

"The one element of the Pentagon not constructed of reinforced concrete is the outermost perimeter wall."

"Thus, we call the perimeter walls of each ring the lightwell walls. The lightwell walls, constructed of poured in place, reinforced concrete, are both bearing and shear walls."
STRUCTUREmag: The Pentagon Lightwell Walls


So the outer most wall (when originally built) was not reinforced concrete but the others were. You seem to have fallen for the misinformation on that pro-OCT website. The first floor being continuous does not mean there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor. Do you know what load bearing and shear walls are? The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor. The Pentagon is a slab on grade design so together with the info in my link about load bearing and shear walls, it's obvious the first floor of each ring had the reinforced concrete walls. Why? What would happen if you tried to place concrete walls three stories high but used a weaker material for the first floor? The whole fuxxing building would collapse.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

The renovation made the outer most wall a reinforced wall back with steel and kevlar and the other walls were reinforced concrete. One of my main beefs is the exit hole of the C-ring. No, not the diameter. It's a dead center line from the point of entry and there is nothing there showing exactly what made the hole. With all the debris flying around how the hell did (whatever) maintain that nice straight line from the E to C ring?

GOD DAMN YOU ARE STUPID
there were no ring walls on the first floor
it was continuous from the outter wall to the inner wall of ring C

look at the photo in figure 2
it shows HOW MANY FLOORS of windows and you can see it is a roof on the bottom

The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

 

[DiveCon]

"The one element of the Pentagon not constructed of reinforced concrete is the outermost perimeter wall."

"Thus, we call the perimeter walls of each ring the lightwell walls. The lightwell walls, constructed of poured in place, reinforced concrete, are both bearing and shear walls."
STRUCTUREmag: The Pentagon Lightwell Walls


So the outer most wall (when originally built) was not reinforced concrete but the others were. You seem to have fallen for the misinformation on that pro-OCT website. The first floor being continuous does not mean there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor. Do you know what load bearing and shear walls are? The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor. The Pentagon is a slab on grade design so together with the info in my link about load bearing and shear walls, it's obvious the first floor of each ring had the reinforced concrete walls. Why? What would happen if you tried to place concrete walls three stories high but used a weaker material for the first floor? The whole fuxxing building would collapse.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

The renovation made the outer most wall a reinforced wall back with steel and kevlar and the other walls were reinforced concrete. One of my main beefs is the exit hole of the C-ring. No, not the diameter. It's a dead center line from the point of entry and there is nothing there showing exactly what made the hole. With all the debris flying around how the hell did (whatever) maintain that nice straight line from the E to C ring?

GOD DAMN YOU ARE STUPID
there were no ring walls on the first floor
it was continuous from the outter wall to the inner wall of ring C

look at the photo in figure 2
it shows HOW MANY FLOORS of windows and you can see it is a roof on the bottom

The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

because they didnt exist you stupid fuck
and as to reinforced walls, that story you found is CLEARLY wrong since you can see the inside wall of ring C was brick and mortar

and it wouldnt require the wall to continue under it if they used support for it

 

[Fizz]

The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

hey jackass, you are the idiot claiming it went through multiple reinforced walls. where's your fucking source!!

fucking liar!!

 

[HUGGY]

yeah, no shit
but the FIRST FLOOR WAS CONTINUOUS from ring E to ring C
get that through your fucking thick skull

"The one element of the Pentagon not constructed of reinforced concrete is the outermost perimeter wall."

"Thus, we call the perimeter walls of each ring the lightwell walls. The lightwell walls, constructed of poured in place, reinforced concrete, are both bearing and shear walls."
STRUCTUREmag: The Pentagon Lightwell Walls


So the outer most wall (when originally built) was not reinforced concrete but the others were. You seem to have fallen for the misinformation on that pro-OCT website. The first floor being continuous does not mean there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor. Do you know what load bearing and shear walls are? The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor. The Pentagon is a slab on grade design so together with the info in my link about load bearing and shear walls, it's obvious the first floor of each ring had the reinforced concrete walls. Why? What would happen if you tried to place concrete walls three stories high but used a weaker material for the first floor? The whole fuxxing building would collapse.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

The renovation made the outer most wall a reinforced wall back with steel and kevlar and the other walls were reinforced concrete. One of my main beefs is the exit hole of the C-ring. No, not the diameter. It's a dead center line from the point of entry and there is nothing there showing exactly what made the hole. With all the debris flying around how the hell did (whatever) maintain that nice straight line from the E to C ring?

Force of blast. a whole lot of jet fuel going boom at once while headed into the building makes for one big fiery blast.

One could try to make a similar claim of the hot air coming out of your pie hole. The problem with calling the fuel suply burning a "blast" is that there was not enough oxygen available for your explosion. Add some fertilizer like OK city and you have the right components of explosion worthy pressures.

 

[Fizz]

One could try to make a similar claim of the hot air coming out of your pie hole. The problem with calling the fuel suply burning a "blast" is that there was not enough oxygen available for your explosion. Add some fertilizer like OK city and you have the right components of explosion worthy pressures.

yea... doesnt look like much oxygen at all. nothing resembling a blast at all here. move along.

 

[HUGGY]

One could try to make a similar claim of the hot air coming out of your pie hole. The problem with calling the fuel suply burning a "blast" is that there was not enough oxygen available for your explosion. Add some fertilizer like OK city and you have the right components of explosion worthy pressures.

yea... doesnt look like much oxygen at all. nothing resembling a blast at all here. move along.

A ball of flame does not a "blast" make. Also note the lack of "Blast-like debrise" in your photo. There is another consideration that may well be over your head but the ORANGE color of your fire ball is not the shade one would be looking for in a high explosion. But again...over your head...move along..

 

[Fizz]

A ball of flame does not a "blast" make.

says who? YOU?!!

Blast - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
5 a : an explosion or violent detonation

who said anything about "high explosion"??

 

[CurveLight]

GOD DAMN YOU ARE STUPID
there were no ring walls on the first floor
it was continuous from the outter wall to the inner wall of ring C

look at the photo in figure 2
it shows HOW MANY FLOORS of windows and you can see it is a roof on the bottom

The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

because they didnt exist you stupid fuck
and as to reinforced walls, that story you found is CLEARLY wrong since you can see the inside wall of ring C was brick and mortar

and it wouldnt require the wall to continue under it if they used support for it

So I guess they installed the wire mesh and rebar.....when? It's in the picture.....

 

[DiveCon]

The pic you keep referencing shows the open space between rings for three stories and like that website, you're trying to claim there were no reinforced concrete walls on the first floor because you can't see open space between the rings on the first floor.

What material do you think is on the first floor walls holding up shear and load bearing reinforced concrete walls for the three stories above it?

because they didnt exist you stupid fuck
and as to reinforced walls, that story you found is CLEARLY wrong since you can see the inside wall of ring C was brick and mortar

and it wouldnt require the wall to continue under it if they used support for it

So I guess they installed the wire mesh and rebar.....when? It's in the picture.....

damn, you are too fucking stupid

 

[CurveLight]

because they didnt exist you stupid fuck
and as to reinforced walls, that story you found is CLEARLY wrong since you can see the inside wall of ring C was brick and mortar

and it wouldnt require the wall to continue under it if they used support for it

So I guess they installed the wire mesh and rebar.....when? It's in the picture.....

damn, you are too fucking stupid

I'm providing actual sources while you do nothing but link an OCT site then bemoan about pics you fail to understand.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Reinforced wall?

 

[DiveCon]

So I guess they installed the wire mesh and rebar.....when? It's in the picture.....

damn, you are too fucking stupid

I'm providing actual sources while you do nothing but link an OCT site then bemoan about pics you fail to understand.

i understand the pics you linked to, you, however, clearly do NOT

 

[DiveCon]

Reinforced wall?

no no, Ollie, in-spite of the fact you can see brick and masonry, that is a poured reinforced concrete wall

 

[CurveLight]

Reinforced wall?

http://www.spktruth2power.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/physics911pentagon.jpg

 

[CurveLight]

damn, you are too fucking stupid

I'm providing actual sources while you do nothing but link an OCT site then bemoan about pics you fail to understand.

i understand the pics you linked to, you, however, clearly do NOT

Other than the one I just posted....what pics did I link? I linked two independent sources stating the kind of construction. Do you know all of wedge one was rebuilt before 9e?

 

[CurveLight]

Nah.

At least not on anything substantive. It's far too much of a flaming pussy.

Someone forgot to send out the memo saying your petty whining is supposed to have meaning. It has none. All it does is show you're a crybaby Snitch Bitch that is so stoopid you try to compare an F4 to a 757.

you're right... the F4 should hold up much better than a 757.

Since the F4 couldn't break a single concrete wall and it should "hold up better" than a 757 how did 77 make through a steel reinforced concrete kevlar wall?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Someone forgot to send out the memo saying your petty whining is supposed to have meaning. It has none. All it does is show you're a crybaby Snitch Bitch that is so stoopid you try to compare an F4 to a 757.

you're right... the F4 should hold up much better than a 757.

Since the F4 couldn't break a single concrete wall and it should "hold up better" than a 757 how did 77 make through a steel reinforced concrete kevlar wall?

Read a little bit. the F4 was sent into a crash resistant wall used on Nuclear facilities. a wall that will actually move a bit with a collision. The pentagon wall may have been reinforced but you just can't stop everything. Are you now telling us that flight 77 did not crash into the pentagon?