Question for Algore supporters

[EMH]

The warmer Earth should be a wetter Earth ... and if Arctic Amplification is real, then the rainfall should be more evenly distributed ... flood and droughts should be decreasing ... "should" is a weasel word, my apologies, but no one knows for sure ... we won't know for sure what the climate will be in 100 years for another 100 years ... but as noted above, this theory can be demonstrated with the various proxies we use for past climate study ...

Unfortunately, this will only be a little extra rainfall, not enough to solve our current water problems ... we'll still need nuclear to power desalinization 100 years from now ...

For every increase in temperature of one degree Celsius, the air will hold 7% more water is evaporating

This is close enough for our purposes ... what goes up must come down ... but Old Rocks has no business calling others stupid if he doesn't qualify that statement ... this is only true at normal surface temperatures, where evaporation occurs ... aloft temperatures are much colder and this percent drops to roughly 3%, where the condensation (or deposition) occurs ...

I admire Al Gore ... I like his politics ... but then again I wasn't fooled by his global warming rhetoric ... you were?, that's your fault, not his ... he got rich with this, and I didn't, so who's the better man? ...

Al Gore inherited a small fortune from his father, which he invested in tech stock when it was on a downer. That is where he got his wealth, not from his efforts to get what the scientists were seeing with the climate out to the average person. That you have not followed the science is very evident from your posts. If you are posting on subject which you know very little, and do no research, then you are fucking stupid and willfully ignorant.

Thank you for the ad hominum attack ... you seem to think everybody's stupid ... what are you hiding? ...

You stated stupid things, so it was a statement of fact, not an ad hominum attack. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. The ignorant attacks against Al Gore, claiming that this is a fraud he started, is proof of the attackers stupidity and ignorance.

Parroting is not science
Fraud is not science
Fudging data is not science

You are a bird brained moron who parrots. You have ZERO ability in science.

 

[Old Rocks]

The warmer Earth should be a wetter Earth ... and if Arctic Amplification is real, then the rainfall should be more evenly distributed ... flood and droughts should be decreasing ... "should" is a weasel word, my apologies, but no one knows for sure ... we won't know for sure what the climate will be in 100 years for another 100 years ... but as noted above, this theory can be demonstrated with the various proxies we use for past climate study ...

Unfortunately, this will only be a little extra rainfall, not enough to solve our current water problems ... we'll still need nuclear to power desalinization 100 years from now ...

For every increase in temperature of one degree Celsius, the air will hold 7% more water is evaporating

This is close enough for our purposes ... what goes up must come down ... but Old Rocks has no business calling others stupid if he doesn't qualify that statement ... this is only true at normal surface temperatures, where evaporation occurs ... aloft temperatures are much colder and this percent drops to roughly 3%, where the condensation (or deposition) occurs ...

I admire Al Gore ... I like his politics ... but then again I wasn't fooled by his global warming rhetoric ... you were?, that's your fault, not his ... he got rich with this, and I didn't, so who's the better man? ...

Al Gore inherited a small fortune from his father, which he invested in tech stock when it was on a downer. That is where he got his wealth, not from his efforts to get what the scientists were seeing with the climate out to the average person. That you have not followed the science is very evident from your posts. If you are posting on subject which you know very little, and do no research, then you are fucking stupid and willfully ignorant.

Thank you for the ad hominum attack ... you seem to think everybody's stupid ... what are you hiding? ...

You stated stupid things, so it was a statement of fact, not an ad hominum attack. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. The ignorant attacks against Al Gore, claiming that this is a fraud he started, is proof of the attackers stupidity and ignorance.

You stated stupid things, so it was a statement of fact, not an ad hominum attack. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. The ignorant attacks against Al Gore, claiming that this is a fraud he started ...

The pseudo adiabatic lapse rate clearly supports my claims ... energy is proportional to mass ... you seem to forget that ...

Every scientist in the entire world claimed the force of gravity is inversely proportional to the square of distance, every one claimed the expansion of the universe was slowing down ... they were dead wrong on both accounts ... one thing they don't do is scientifically define "danger" ... that's a philosophical term ... global warming will be providing more robust agricultural production, why do you think that's dangerous? ...

... is proof of the attackers stupidity and ignorance.

Hey ... stupid ... that's an ad hominim attack ... you're not attacking their claims, you're attacking the persons ... lame, even for you ...

LOL

http://mr-murphy.weebly.com/uploads/2/3/9/9/23990432/univgrav_classnotes.pdf

 

[EMH]

What we do know is that civilization thrives during warmer eras and suffers during colder eras.

Really? So Saudi Arabia and the Northern Sahara grow more corn than the mid-western US. Nice knowing that.

FYI, when the climate was warmer than today, during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, the Sahara was lush and green.

The Holocene Climatic Optimum was NOT analogous to the current situation. Temperatures did NOT rise globally. Temperatures above the Sahara were NOT substantially increased during the period. It's greening was due to increased rainfall. From the Wikipeida article on the Optimum:

The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).[1] Northwestern Europe experienced warming, but there was cooling in Southern Europe.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude and so essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and middle latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef about 5350 years ago was 1 °C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably warmer than now (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns).[citation needed] While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the Tropics and parts of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average.[4]

Out of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for conditions warmer than now at 120 sites. At 16 sites, where quantitative estimates have been obtained, local HTM temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher than now. Northwestern North America had peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, while the Laurentide Ice Sheet still chilled eastern Canada. Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3 °C warmer than present.[5] Research indicates that the Arctic had less sea ice than the present.[6]

Current desert regions of Central Asia were extensively forested due to higher rainfall, and the warm temperate forest belts in China and Japan were extended northwards.[7]

West African sediments additionally record the African humid period, an interval, between 16,000 and 6,000 years ago, when Africa was much wetter. This was caused by a strengthening of the African monsoon by changes in summer radiation, resulting from long-term variations in the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The "Green Sahara" was dotted with numerous lakes, containing typical African lake crocodile and hippopotamus fauna. A curious discovery from the marine sediments is that the transitions into and out of the wet period occurred within decades, not the previously-thought extended periods.[8] It is hypothesized that humans played a role in altering the vegetation structure of North Africa at some point after 8,000 years ago, when they introduced domesticated animals. This introduction contributed to the rapid transition to the arid conditions found in many locations in the Sahara.[9]

In the far Southern Hemisphere (New Zealand and Antarctica), the warmest period during the Holocene appears to have been roughly 10,500 to 8,000 years ago, immediately following the end of the last ice age.[10][11] By 6,000 years ago, the time normally associated with the Holocene Climatic Optimum in the Northern Hemisphere, they had reached temperatures similar to present ones, and they did not participate in the temperature changes of the north. However, some authors have used the term "Holocene Climatic Optimum" to describe the earlier southern warm period, as well.

Bawk this, parrot.


Antarctica has 70 million year old Dino fossils on it.

Your pathetic "experts" should claim that is evidence Antarctica has cooled - to say the least. But that is inconvenient truth.

What cooled Antarctica?

It's plate moved.

Your parroted bullshit does not account for tectonic plate movement. Antarctica was not on the South Pole 70 million years ago - it was actually still attached to South America.....

 

[Old Rocks]

The warmer Earth should be a wetter Earth ... and if Arctic Amplification is real, then the rainfall should be more evenly distributed ... flood and droughts should be decreasing ... "should" is a weasel word, my apologies, but no one knows for sure ... we won't know for sure what the climate will be in 100 years for another 100 years ... but as noted above, this theory can be demonstrated with the various proxies we use for past climate study ...

Unfortunately, this will only be a little extra rainfall, not enough to solve our current water problems ... we'll still need nuclear to power desalinization 100 years from now ...

For every increase in temperature of one degree Celsius, the air will hold 7% more water is evaporating

This is close enough for our purposes ... what goes up must come down ... but Old Rocks has no business calling others stupid if he doesn't qualify that statement ... this is only true at normal surface temperatures, where evaporation occurs ... aloft temperatures are much colder and this percent drops to roughly 3%, where the condensation (or deposition) occurs ...

I admire Al Gore ... I like his politics ... but then again I wasn't fooled by his global warming rhetoric ... you were?, that's your fault, not his ... he got rich with this, and I didn't, so who's the better man? ...

Al Gore inherited a small fortune from his father, which he invested in tech stock when it was on a downer. That is where he got his wealth, not from his efforts to get what the scientists were seeing with the climate out to the average person. That you have not followed the science is very evident from your posts. If you are posting on subject which you know very little, and do no research, then you are fucking stupid and willfully ignorant.

Thank you for the ad hominum attack ... you seem to think everybody's stupid ... what are you hiding? ...

You stated stupid things, so it was a statement of fact, not an ad hominum attack. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. The ignorant attacks against Al Gore, claiming that this is a fraud he started, is proof of the attackers stupidity and ignorance.

Parroting is not science
Fraud is not science
Fudging data is not science

You are a bird brained moron who parrots. You have ZERO ability in science.

LOL Well that is not what my grades at Portland State reflected. Did you ever take even one high school science course? Your post indicate a profound ignorance of any and all science.

 

[EMH]

Portland state???

Lol!!!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

What we do know is that civilization thrives during warmer eras and suffers during colder eras.

Really? So Saudi Arabia and the Northern Sahara grow more corn than the mid-western US. Nice knowing that.

FYI, when the climate was warmer than today, during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, the Sahara was lush and green.

The Holocene Climatic Optimum was NOT analogous to the current situation. Temperatures did NOT rise globally. Temperatures above the Sahara were NOT substantially increased during the period. It's greening was due to increased rainfall. From the Wikipeida article on the Optimum:

The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).[1] Northwestern Europe experienced warming, but there was cooling in Southern Europe.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude and so essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and middle latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef about 5350 years ago was 1 °C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably warmer than now (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns).[citation needed] While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the Tropics and parts of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average.[4]

Out of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for conditions warmer than now at 120 sites. At 16 sites, where quantitative estimates have been obtained, local HTM temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher than now. Northwestern North America had peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, while the Laurentide Ice Sheet still chilled eastern Canada. Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3 °C warmer than present.[5] Research indicates that the Arctic had less sea ice than the present.[6]

Current desert regions of Central Asia were extensively forested due to higher rainfall, and the warm temperate forest belts in China and Japan were extended northwards.[7]

West African sediments additionally record the African humid period, an interval, between 16,000 and 6,000 years ago, when Africa was much wetter. This was caused by a strengthening of the African monsoon by changes in summer radiation, resulting from long-term variations in the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The "Green Sahara" was dotted with numerous lakes, containing typical African lake crocodile and hippopotamus fauna. A curious discovery from the marine sediments is that the transitions into and out of the wet period occurred within decades, not the previously-thought extended periods.[8] It is hypothesized that humans played a role in altering the vegetation structure of North Africa at some point after 8,000 years ago, when they introduced domesticated animals. This introduction contributed to the rapid transition to the arid conditions found in many locations in the Sahara.[9]

In the far Southern Hemisphere (New Zealand and Antarctica), the warmest period during the Holocene appears to have been roughly 10,500 to 8,000 years ago, immediately following the end of the last ice age.[10][11] By 6,000 years ago, the time normally associated with the Holocene Climatic Optimum in the Northern Hemisphere, they had reached temperatures similar to present ones, and they did not participate in the temperature changes of the north. However, some authors have used the term "Holocene Climatic Optimum" to describe the earlier southern warm period, as well.

Bawk this, parrot.


Antarctica has 70 million year old Dino fossils on it.

Your pathetic "experts" should claim that is evidence Antarctica has cooled - to say the least. But that is inconvenient truth.

What cooled Antarctica?

It's plate moved.

Your parroted bullshit does not account for tectonic plate movement. Antarctica was not on the South Pole 70 million years ago - it was actually still attached to South America.....

You dumb ass, the poles were not iced over 70 million years ago.

 

[Old Rocks]

Portland state???

Lol!!!!!

Did you even finish high school?

 

[EMH]

What we do know is that civilization thrives during warmer eras and suffers during colder eras.

Really? So Saudi Arabia and the Northern Sahara grow more corn than the mid-western US. Nice knowing that.

FYI, when the climate was warmer than today, during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, the Sahara was lush and green.

The Holocene Climatic Optimum was NOT analogous to the current situation. Temperatures did NOT rise globally. Temperatures above the Sahara were NOT substantially increased during the period. It's greening was due to increased rainfall. From the Wikipeida article on the Optimum:

The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).[1] Northwestern Europe experienced warming, but there was cooling in Southern Europe.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude and so essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and middle latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef about 5350 years ago was 1 °C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably warmer than now (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns).[citation needed] While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the Tropics and parts of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average.[4]

Out of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for conditions warmer than now at 120 sites. At 16 sites, where quantitative estimates have been obtained, local HTM temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher than now. Northwestern North America had peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, while the Laurentide Ice Sheet still chilled eastern Canada. Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3 °C warmer than present.[5] Research indicates that the Arctic had less sea ice than the present.[6]

Current desert regions of Central Asia were extensively forested due to higher rainfall, and the warm temperate forest belts in China and Japan were extended northwards.[7]

West African sediments additionally record the African humid period, an interval, between 16,000 and 6,000 years ago, when Africa was much wetter. This was caused by a strengthening of the African monsoon by changes in summer radiation, resulting from long-term variations in the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The "Green Sahara" was dotted with numerous lakes, containing typical African lake crocodile and hippopotamus fauna. A curious discovery from the marine sediments is that the transitions into and out of the wet period occurred within decades, not the previously-thought extended periods.[8] It is hypothesized that humans played a role in altering the vegetation structure of North Africa at some point after 8,000 years ago, when they introduced domesticated animals. This introduction contributed to the rapid transition to the arid conditions found in many locations in the Sahara.[9]

In the far Southern Hemisphere (New Zealand and Antarctica), the warmest period during the Holocene appears to have been roughly 10,500 to 8,000 years ago, immediately following the end of the last ice age.[10][11] By 6,000 years ago, the time normally associated with the Holocene Climatic Optimum in the Northern Hemisphere, they had reached temperatures similar to present ones, and they did not participate in the temperature changes of the north. However, some authors have used the term "Holocene Climatic Optimum" to describe the earlier southern warm period, as well.

Bawk this, parrot.


Antarctica has 70 million year old Dino fossils on it.

Your pathetic "experts" should claim that is evidence Antarctica has cooled - to say the least. But that is inconvenient truth.

What cooled Antarctica?

It's plate moved.

Your parroted bullshit does not account for tectonic plate movement. Antarctica was not on the South Pole 70 million years ago - it was actually still attached to South America.....

You dumb ass, the poles were not iced over 70 million years ago.

You apparently do not understand the basics of plate tectonics.... Which is to be expected from a parroting moron of a left wing science invalid.

What caused Antarctica to now have 90% of ewrth's ice?



BTW - you failed the OP question moron....

 

[Old Rocks]

What we do know is that civilization thrives during warmer eras and suffers during colder eras.

Really? So Saudi Arabia and the Northern Sahara grow more corn than the mid-western US. Nice knowing that.

FYI, when the climate was warmer than today, during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, the Sahara was lush and green.

The Holocene Climatic Optimum was NOT analogous to the current situation. Temperatures did NOT rise globally. Temperatures above the Sahara were NOT substantially increased during the period. It's greening was due to increased rainfall. From the Wikipeida article on the Optimum:

The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).[1] Northwestern Europe experienced warming, but there was cooling in Southern Europe.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude and so essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and middle latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef about 5350 years ago was 1 °C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably warmer than now (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns).[citation needed] While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the Tropics and parts of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average.[4]

Out of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for conditions warmer than now at 120 sites. At 16 sites, where quantitative estimates have been obtained, local HTM temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher than now. Northwestern North America had peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, while the Laurentide Ice Sheet still chilled eastern Canada. Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3 °C warmer than present.[5] Research indicates that the Arctic had less sea ice than the present.[6]

Current desert regions of Central Asia were extensively forested due to higher rainfall, and the warm temperate forest belts in China and Japan were extended northwards.[7]

West African sediments additionally record the African humid period, an interval, between 16,000 and 6,000 years ago, when Africa was much wetter. This was caused by a strengthening of the African monsoon by changes in summer radiation, resulting from long-term variations in the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The "Green Sahara" was dotted with numerous lakes, containing typical African lake crocodile and hippopotamus fauna. A curious discovery from the marine sediments is that the transitions into and out of the wet period occurred within decades, not the previously-thought extended periods.[8] It is hypothesized that humans played a role in altering the vegetation structure of North Africa at some point after 8,000 years ago, when they introduced domesticated animals. This introduction contributed to the rapid transition to the arid conditions found in many locations in the Sahara.[9]

In the far Southern Hemisphere (New Zealand and Antarctica), the warmest period during the Holocene appears to have been roughly 10,500 to 8,000 years ago, immediately following the end of the last ice age.[10][11] By 6,000 years ago, the time normally associated with the Holocene Climatic Optimum in the Northern Hemisphere, they had reached temperatures similar to present ones, and they did not participate in the temperature changes of the north. However, some authors have used the term "Holocene Climatic Optimum" to describe the earlier southern warm period, as well.

Bawk this, parrot.


Antarctica has 70 million year old Dino fossils on it.

Your pathetic "experts" should claim that is evidence Antarctica has cooled - to say the least. But that is inconvenient truth.

What cooled Antarctica?

It's plate moved.

Your parroted bullshit does not account for tectonic plate movement. Antarctica was not on the South Pole 70 million years ago - it was actually still attached to South America.....

You dumb ass, the poles were not iced over 70 million years ago.

You apparently do not understand the basics of plate tectonics.... Which is to be expected from a parroting moron of a left wing science invalid.

What caused Antarctica to now have 90% of ewrth's ice?



BTW - you failed the OP question moron....

The highest class I took in college was Eng Geo 470/570. And yes I do have a good deal of knowledge concerning plate tectonics. The last time we had this much GHG's in the atmosphere, there were forests on the shores of Antarctica. And it was pretty much where it is now.

"This is an amazing discovery," she told The Guardian. "They found fossil leaves of southern beech. I call them the last forests of Antarctica."

"They were growing at 400 ppm [parts-per-million] CO2, so this may be where we are going back to, with ice sheets melting at times, which may allow plants to colonise again."

Last year the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere reached 410 ppm, thought to be the highest level in the last 800,000 years. We're carrying on burning fossil fuels, and carbon dioxide keeps on building up.

So far we haven't seen the sea level and temperature rises of the Pliocene, or much in the way of vegetation at the South Pole, but that's the way we're heading – these new findings are another stark warning about our future, as if we needed one."

There Were Trees at The South Pole The Last Time There Was This Much CO2 in The Air

There are a lot of different ways to look at our planet's warming climate – such as more extreme weather events, increasing levels of vegetation in the Arctic, and even shifting seasons.

www.sciencealert.com

 

[Old Rocks]

What we do know is that civilization thrives during warmer eras and suffers during colder eras.

Really? So Saudi Arabia and the Northern Sahara grow more corn than the mid-western US. Nice knowing that.

FYI, when the climate was warmer than today, during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, the Sahara was lush and green.

The Holocene Climatic Optimum was NOT analogous to the current situation. Temperatures did NOT rise globally. Temperatures above the Sahara were NOT substantially increased during the period. It's greening was due to increased rainfall. From the Wikipeida article on the Optimum:

The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).[1] Northwestern Europe experienced warming, but there was cooling in Southern Europe.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude and so essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and middle latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef about 5350 years ago was 1 °C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably warmer than now (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns).[citation needed] While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the Tropics and parts of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average.[4]

Out of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for conditions warmer than now at 120 sites. At 16 sites, where quantitative estimates have been obtained, local HTM temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher than now. Northwestern North America had peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, while the Laurentide Ice Sheet still chilled eastern Canada. Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3 °C warmer than present.[5] Research indicates that the Arctic had less sea ice than the present.[6]

Current desert regions of Central Asia were extensively forested due to higher rainfall, and the warm temperate forest belts in China and Japan were extended northwards.[7]

West African sediments additionally record the African humid period, an interval, between 16,000 and 6,000 years ago, when Africa was much wetter. This was caused by a strengthening of the African monsoon by changes in summer radiation, resulting from long-term variations in the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The "Green Sahara" was dotted with numerous lakes, containing typical African lake crocodile and hippopotamus fauna. A curious discovery from the marine sediments is that the transitions into and out of the wet period occurred within decades, not the previously-thought extended periods.[8] It is hypothesized that humans played a role in altering the vegetation structure of North Africa at some point after 8,000 years ago, when they introduced domesticated animals. This introduction contributed to the rapid transition to the arid conditions found in many locations in the Sahara.[9]

In the far Southern Hemisphere (New Zealand and Antarctica), the warmest period during the Holocene appears to have been roughly 10,500 to 8,000 years ago, immediately following the end of the last ice age.[10][11] By 6,000 years ago, the time normally associated with the Holocene Climatic Optimum in the Northern Hemisphere, they had reached temperatures similar to present ones, and they did not participate in the temperature changes of the north. However, some authors have used the term "Holocene Climatic Optimum" to describe the earlier southern warm period, as well.

Bawk this, parrot.


Antarctica has 70 million year old Dino fossils on it.

Your pathetic "experts" should claim that is evidence Antarctica has cooled - to say the least. But that is inconvenient truth.

What cooled Antarctica?

It's plate moved.

Your parroted bullshit does not account for tectonic plate movement. Antarctica was not on the South Pole 70 million years ago - it was actually still attached to South America.....

You dumb ass, the poles were not iced over 70 million years ago.

You apparently do not understand the basics of plate tectonics.... Which is to be expected from a parroting moron of a left wing science invalid.

What caused Antarctica to now have 90% of ewrth's ice?



BTW - you failed the OP question moron....

What a dumb fuck you truly are. The world has warmed a lot in my lifetime. That is over 3/4's of a century. And right now we have an extreme drought in the West, and the Southeast is flooding. Yes, warming can result in both droughts and flooding.

 

[EMH]

You are too dumb to distinguish between

DATA and FUDGE

There is no warming except on the surface of growing urban areas ...

and the warmer special - measuring ocean water right after a tectonic event.... How did Arctic water get to 87F?

Search for

Arctic undersea volcanoes

 

[Sunsettommy]

What we do know is that civilization thrives during warmer eras and suffers during colder eras.

Really? So Saudi Arabia and the Northern Sahara grow more corn than the mid-western US. Nice knowing that.

FYI, when the climate was warmer than today, during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, the Sahara was lush and green.

The Holocene Climatic Optimum was NOT analogous to the current situation. Temperatures did NOT rise globally. Temperatures above the Sahara were NOT substantially increased during the period. It's greening was due to increased rainfall. From the Wikipeida article on the Optimum:

The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).[1] Northwestern Europe experienced warming, but there was cooling in Southern Europe.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude and so essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and middle latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef about 5350 years ago was 1 °C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably warmer than now (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns).[citation needed] While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the Tropics and parts of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average.[4]

Out of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for conditions warmer than now at 120 sites. At 16 sites, where quantitative estimates have been obtained, local HTM temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher than now. Northwestern North America had peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, while the Laurentide Ice Sheet still chilled eastern Canada. Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3 °C warmer than present.[5] Research indicates that the Arctic had less sea ice than the present.[6]

Current desert regions of Central Asia were extensively forested due to higher rainfall, and the warm temperate forest belts in China and Japan were extended northwards.[7]

West African sediments additionally record the African humid period, an interval, between 16,000 and 6,000 years ago, when Africa was much wetter. This was caused by a strengthening of the African monsoon by changes in summer radiation, resulting from long-term variations in the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The "Green Sahara" was dotted with numerous lakes, containing typical African lake crocodile and hippopotamus fauna. A curious discovery from the marine sediments is that the transitions into and out of the wet period occurred within decades, not the previously-thought extended periods.[8] It is hypothesized that humans played a role in altering the vegetation structure of North Africa at some point after 8,000 years ago, when they introduced domesticated animals. This introduction contributed to the rapid transition to the arid conditions found in many locations in the Sahara.[9]

In the far Southern Hemisphere (New Zealand and Antarctica), the warmest period during the Holocene appears to have been roughly 10,500 to 8,000 years ago, immediately following the end of the last ice age.[10][11] By 6,000 years ago, the time normally associated with the Holocene Climatic Optimum in the Northern Hemisphere, they had reached temperatures similar to present ones, and they did not participate in the temperature changes of the north. However, some authors have used the term "Holocene Climatic Optimum" to describe the earlier southern warm period, as well.

Bawk this, parrot.


Antarctica has 70 million year old Dino fossils on it.

Your pathetic "experts" should claim that is evidence Antarctica has cooled - to say the least. But that is inconvenient truth.

What cooled Antarctica?

It's plate moved.

Your parroted bullshit does not account for tectonic plate movement. Antarctica was not on the South Pole 70 million years ago - it was actually still attached to South America.....

You dumb ass, the poles were not iced over 70 million years ago.

You apparently do not understand the basics of plate tectonics.... Which is to be expected from a parroting moron of a left wing science invalid.

What caused Antarctica to now have 90% of ewrth's ice?



BTW - you failed the OP question moron....

What a dumb fuck you truly are. The world has warmed a lot in my lifetime. That is over 3/4's of a century. And right now we have an extreme drought in the West, and the Southeast is flooding. Yes, warming can result in both droughts and flooding.

You are one dumb idiot since floods and droughts happened during global cooling too.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What we do know is that civilization thrives during warmer eras and suffers during colder eras.

Really? So Saudi Arabia and the Northern Sahara grow more corn than the mid-western US. Nice knowing that.

FYI, when the climate was warmer than today, during the Holocene Climatic Optimum, the Sahara was lush and green.

The Holocene Climatic Optimum was NOT analogous to the current situation. Temperatures did NOT rise globally. Temperatures above the Sahara were NOT substantially increased during the period. It's greening was due to increased rainfall. From the Wikipeida article on the Optimum:

The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).[1] Northwestern Europe experienced warming, but there was cooling in Southern Europe.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude and so essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and middle latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef about 5350 years ago was 1 °C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably warmer than now (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns).[citation needed] While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the Tropics and parts of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average.[4]

Out of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for conditions warmer than now at 120 sites. At 16 sites, where quantitative estimates have been obtained, local HTM temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher than now. Northwestern North America had peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, while the Laurentide Ice Sheet still chilled eastern Canada. Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3 °C warmer than present.[5] Research indicates that the Arctic had less sea ice than the present.[6]

Current desert regions of Central Asia were extensively forested due to higher rainfall, and the warm temperate forest belts in China and Japan were extended northwards.[7]

West African sediments additionally record the African humid period, an interval, between 16,000 and 6,000 years ago, when Africa was much wetter. This was caused by a strengthening of the African monsoon by changes in summer radiation, resulting from long-term variations in the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The "Green Sahara" was dotted with numerous lakes, containing typical African lake crocodile and hippopotamus fauna. A curious discovery from the marine sediments is that the transitions into and out of the wet period occurred within decades, not the previously-thought extended periods.[8] It is hypothesized that humans played a role in altering the vegetation structure of North Africa at some point after 8,000 years ago, when they introduced domesticated animals. This introduction contributed to the rapid transition to the arid conditions found in many locations in the Sahara.[9]

In the far Southern Hemisphere (New Zealand and Antarctica), the warmest period during the Holocene appears to have been roughly 10,500 to 8,000 years ago, immediately following the end of the last ice age.[10][11] By 6,000 years ago, the time normally associated with the Holocene Climatic Optimum in the Northern Hemisphere, they had reached temperatures similar to present ones, and they did not participate in the temperature changes of the north. However, some authors have used the term "Holocene Climatic Optimum" to describe the earlier southern warm period, as well.

Bawk this, parrot.


Antarctica has 70 million year old Dino fossils on it.

Your pathetic "experts" should claim that is evidence Antarctica has cooled - to say the least. But that is inconvenient truth.

What cooled Antarctica?

It's plate moved.

Your parroted bullshit does not account for tectonic plate movement. Antarctica was not on the South Pole 70 million years ago - it was actually still attached to South America.....

You dumb ass, the poles were not iced over 70 million years ago.

You apparently do not understand the basics of plate tectonics.... Which is to be expected from a parroting moron of a left wing science invalid.

What caused Antarctica to now have 90% of ewrth's ice?



BTW - you failed the OP question moron....

What a dumb fuck you truly are. The world has warmed a lot in my lifetime. That is over 3/4's of a century. And right now we have an extreme drought in the West, and the Southeast is flooding. Yes, warming can result in both droughts and flooding.

You really are getting dementia

 

[Muhammed]

The warmer Earth should be a wetter Earth ... and if Arctic Amplification is real, then the rainfall should be more evenly distributed ... flood and droughts should be decreasing ... "should" is a weasel word, my apologies, but no one knows for sure ... we won't know for sure what the climate will be in 100 years for another 100 years ... but as noted above, this theory can be demonstrated with the various proxies we use for past climate study ...

Unfortunately, this will only be a little extra rainfall, not enough to solve our current water problems ... we'll still need nuclear to power desalinization 100 years from now ...

For every increase in temperature of one degree Celsius, the air will hold 7% more water is evaporating

This is close enough for our purposes ... what goes up must come down ... but Old Rocks has no business calling others stupid if he doesn't qualify that statement ... this is only true at normal surface temperatures, where evaporation occurs ... aloft temperatures are much colder and this percent drops to roughly 3%, where the condensation (or deposition) occurs ...

I admire Al Gore ... I like his politics ... but then again I wasn't fooled by his global warming rhetoric ... you were?, that's your fault, not his ... he got rich with this, and I didn't, so who's the better man? ...

Al Gore inherited a small fortune from his father, which he invested in tech stock when it was on a downer. That is where he got his wealth, not from his efforts to get what the scientists were seeing with the climate out to the average person. That you have not followed the science is very evident from your posts. If you are posting on subject which you know very little, and do no research, then you are fucking stupid and willfully ignorant.

Thank you for the ad hominum attack ... you seem to think everybody's stupid ... what are you hiding? ...

You stated stupid things, so it was a statement of fact, not an ad hominum attack. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. The ignorant attacks against Al Gore, claiming that this is a fraud he started, is proof of the attackers stupidity and ignorance.

Al Gore didn't start it, but he acts as a messianic figure in the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) doomsday cult. That's why idiot doomsday CAGW cult members like Old Rocks worship him.

When you research the origins of the CAGW doomsday cult, it goes back to limousine "liberal" Maurice Strong, the socialist ideologue and founder of the IPCC. His publicly stated political objective for forming the CAGW doomsday cult was to deindustrialize the USA.

It's no secret that commies like Maurice Strong and the CCP consider the USA to be enemy #1 and their ultimate goal is to destroy the USA.

"Under my system of cap and trade, electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket" ~ Barack Obama

 

[mamooth]

Is a warmer earth a wetter earth?

Depends on the spot.

It appears "some areas get drier, some get wetter" is more than your little brain can handle. That's why you're a denier.

Anyways, Gore Rule invoked in the OP. Whoever brings up Gore first admits to being a brainless cult loser, and thus forfeits the thread for their side. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, including the USMB home game.

 

[mamooth]

You are too dumb to distinguish between

DATA and FUDGE

No, we definitely understand that you and your side are faking everything.

All the deniers here are open cult frauds, and they hate anyone who who isn't a fraud, because their cult commands such hatred. Deniers, if all the data didn't say you and your cult were lying about everything, you wouldn't have to fake everything. But it does, so you do.

Denialism is entirely restricted to the kook right wing extremist fringe. If right-wing politics vanished, denialism would instantly vanish along with it, because denialsim is entirely based on politics. In stark contrast, the real science crosses all political boundaries across the world. If left-wing politics vanished, the science wouldn't change at all, because it's actual science.

 

[EMH]

Is a warmer earth a wetter earth?

Depends on the spot.

It appears "some areas get drier, some get wetter" is more than your little brain can handle. That's why you're a denier.

Anyways, Gore Rule invoked in the OP. Whoever brings up Gore first admits to being a brainless cult loser, and thus forfeits the thread for their side. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, including the USMB home game.

Mamoooooooooo is a mooooooooron.....

Earth with a maximum surface temp of 30F - no atmospheric moisture
Earth with a minimum surface temp of 220f - all h2o is gas, boiled out the oceans

Earth today - in between
Earth during Jurassic - warmer and wetter


Thanks for playing

Are you actually good at science, or are you a

PARROTING MORON

 

[Old Rocks]

Is a warmer earth a wetter earth?

Depends on the spot.

It appears "some areas get drier, some get wetter" is more than your little brain can handle. That's why you're a denier.

Anyways, Gore Rule invoked in the OP. Whoever brings up Gore first admits to being a brainless cult loser, and thus forfeits the thread for their side. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, including the USMB home game.

Mamoooooooooo is a mooooooooron.....

Earth with a maximum surface temp of 30F - no atmospheric moisture
Earth with a minimum surface temp of 220f - all h2o is gas, boiled out the oceans

Earth today - in between
Earth during Jurassic - warmer and wetter


Thanks for playing

Are you actually good at science, or are you a

PARROTING MORON

Dumb fuck, are you ever going to actually post something to back up your idiocy from a credible source? The Earth is not warming? Satellite data;

 

[EMH]

Is a warmer earth a wetter earth?

Depends on the spot.

It appears "some areas get drier, some get wetter" is more than your little brain can handle. That's why you're a denier.

Anyways, Gore Rule invoked in the OP. Whoever brings up Gore first admits to being a brainless cult loser, and thus forfeits the thread for their side. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, including the USMB home game.

Mamoooooooooo is a mooooooooron.....

Earth with a maximum surface temp of 30F - no atmospheric moisture
Earth with a minimum surface temp of 220f - all h2o is gas, boiled out the oceans

Earth today - in between
Earth during Jurassic - warmer and wetter


Thanks for playing

Are you actually good at science, or are you a

PARROTING MORON

Dumb fuck, are you ever going to actually post something to back up your idiocy from a credible source? The Earth is not warming? Satellite data;

View attachment 504005

Oh, a color fudge chart!!!!

In 2005, the warmers fudged both the satellite and weather balloon data..... Which was highly correlated and showed precisely no warming.


Document how that data in that chart got in the chart. Was any of the data "corrected" or "adjusted?"

Your science invalid BEAKED BIRDBRAIN has no clue.....

 

[Old Rocks]

Is a warmer earth a wetter earth?

Depends on the spot.

It appears "some areas get drier, some get wetter" is more than your little brain can handle. That's why you're a denier.

Anyways, Gore Rule invoked in the OP. Whoever brings up Gore first admits to being a brainless cult loser, and thus forfeits the thread for their side. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, including the USMB home game.

Mamoooooooooo is a mooooooooron.....

Earth with a maximum surface temp of 30F - no atmospheric moisture
Earth with a minimum surface temp of 220f - all h2o is gas, boiled out the oceans

Earth today - in between
Earth during Jurassic - warmer and wetter


Thanks for playing

Are you actually good at science, or are you a

PARROTING MORON

And all that silly flap-yap has to do with what? Not only are you ignorant, you apparently have a problem with logic.