Question for Men: Feminine Women

[Bonzi]

Yes, well they are considered feminine nowadays in most cultures. Also, it was just not practical for men to wear skirts and dresses considering the work they had to do throughout our history. Imagine a man "plowing the fields" in such attire? I'm pretty sure that particular "look" was for the wealthy men and not poor ones who actually had to do manual physical labor for a living.

In some cultures, it is customary for women to be covered from head to toe. In others, to be naked to the waist. It is entirely subjective.

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I'm talking about most cultures here though. Most of them are quite similar to ourselves because it's a matter of practicality. Most people prefer clothing also because it would protect you from the elements as well as bugs and leering weirdos too. Lol.

And some have done and do cover more that the average western woman.

Again though, I'm talking about what you most commonly see. Aside from some religious extremists, most women aren't covering more than the average western woman, nor are they revealing more, except for maybe on the beaches in some countries, but they usually will always have their genitals covered, and that is not only for modesty purposes but also for practicality purposes. You don't really want to sit on the hot sand without any panties on, you know?

I'm just pointing out that these norms are quite mutable. I don't think that the society of 100+ years ago would find the average western woman of today to be sufficiently feminine, or at least sufficiently ladylike.

Nor would they find the average western man sufficiently manly due to his lack of practical skills, burps, farts, and Truck Nutz, notwithstanding.

Today: women are less feminine and men are MORE feminine.

Agree or disagree?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I am not ultra fem (I like to look good, be neat, stay slim etc.) but I don't live at the hairdresser or nail salon.
I never thought men liked that anyway.....
I think you need to be attractive, but, attitude I think is key in keeping a man....

As with how women who get breast augmentation believe it's the men who want that, it isn't. It's a mythical desire perpetuated by women with little breasts who associate breast size with feminity. No one outside the sex worker industry (stripping, porn, etc.) cares.

I think it has more to do with men's obsession with breasts.

I have to admit big breast can be an attention getter. After all, it like wow, those are big. That does not necessary mean that men find big breasts more attractive.

Most men don't. Know there's a thing in some SE Asian countries about "unprecedentedly large" breasts that made the wires years back. As in the genre of hentai where sexual organs are impossibly large, some women got breasts as large as depicted in animation for real.

Google Chelsea Charms and think bigger and you'll get the idea.

I think there are levels, looking aesthetically - for example, see below:

To small: View attachment 45291

Good healthy/size:

Too big (?):

From an empathetic perspective, if they're big enough they bounce around painfully when you run, that's too big. Have had big breasted (natural) gf's and they all complained about the back pain resulting from it. In their case they were plus-sized as well so coulda been more than just the breasts responsible but still.

Long as the nipples are big when erect, and the areoles nice and dark they show sexily through your tops, actual size of the breast itself is moot

 

[JoeMoma]

The ultra fem mode that some women believe is a man's ultimate desire, imo, is way off. That ultra fem game is merely part of the women's world, imo, of competition that we men rarely get to see. The observant man finds that world a turn off.

I am not ultra fem (I like to look good, be neat, stay slim etc.) but I don't live at the hairdresser or nail salon.
I never thought men liked that anyway.....
I think you need to be attractive, but, attitude I think is key in keeping a man....

As with how women who get breast augmentation believe it's the men who want that, it isn't. It's a mythical desire perpetuated by women with little breasts who associate breast size with feminity. No one outside the sex worker industry (stripping, porn, etc.) cares.

I think it has more to do with men's obsession with breasts.

I have to admit big breast can be an attention getter. After all, it like wow, those are big. That does not necessary mean that men find big breasts more attractive.

So you notice them but it doesn't give you an automatic woody?

No automatic woody. Speaking of Woody, I think Jessie is kind of sexy.

 

[Bonzi]

I am not ultra fem (I like to look good, be neat, stay slim etc.) but I don't live at the hairdresser or nail salon.
I never thought men liked that anyway.....
I think you need to be attractive, but, attitude I think is key in keeping a man....

As with how women who get breast augmentation believe it's the men who want that, it isn't. It's a mythical desire perpetuated by women with little breasts who associate breast size with feminity. No one outside the sex worker industry (stripping, porn, etc.) cares.

I think it has more to do with men's obsession with breasts.

I have to admit big breast can be an attention getter. After all, it like wow, those are big. That does not necessary mean that men find big breasts more attractive.

So you notice them but it doesn't give you an automatic woody?

No automatic woody. Speaking of Woody, I think Jessie is kind of sexy.

So... you like redheads...?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I am not ultra fem (I like to look good, be neat, stay slim etc.) but I don't live at the hairdresser or nail salon.
I never thought men liked that anyway.....
I think you need to be attractive, but, attitude I think is key in keeping a man....

As with how women who get breast augmentation believe it's the men who want that, it isn't. It's a mythical desire perpetuated by women with little breasts who associate breast size with feminity. No one outside the sex worker industry (stripping, porn, etc.) cares.

I think it has more to do with men's obsession with breasts.

I have to admit big breast can be an attention getter. After all, it like wow, those are big. That does not necessary mean that men find big breasts more attractive.

So you notice them but it doesn't give you an automatic woody?

No automatic woody. Speaking of Woody, I think Jessie is kind of sexy.

No public outcry over her measurements I notice. Even though she's skinnier than "Barbie"

 

[JoeMoma]

As with how women who get breast augmentation believe it's the men who want that, it isn't. It's a mythical desire perpetuated by women with little breasts who associate breast size with feminity. No one outside the sex worker industry (stripping, porn, etc.) cares.

I think it has more to do with men's obsession with breasts.

I have to admit big breast can be an attention getter. After all, it like wow, those are big. That does not necessary mean that men find big breasts more attractive.

So you notice them but it doesn't give you an automatic woody?

No automatic woody. Speaking of Woody, I think Jessie is kind of sexy.

So... you like redheads...?

I like to drink ginger ale with them.

 

[Bonzi]

As with how women who get breast augmentation believe it's the men who want that, it isn't. It's a mythical desire perpetuated by women with little breasts who associate breast size with feminity. No one outside the sex worker industry (stripping, porn, etc.) cares.

I think it has more to do with men's obsession with breasts.

I have to admit big breast can be an attention getter. After all, it like wow, those are big. That does not necessary mean that men find big breasts more attractive.

Most men don't. Know there's a thing in some SE Asian countries about "unprecedentedly large" breasts that made the wires years back. As in the genre of hentai where sexual organs are impossibly large, some women got breasts as large as depicted in animation for real.

Google Chelsea Charms and think bigger and you'll get the idea.

I think there are levels, looking aesthetically - for example, see below:

To small: View attachment 45291

Good healthy/size:

Too big (?):

From an empathetic perspective, if they're big enough they bounce around painfully when you run, that's too big. Have had big breasted (natural) gf's and they all complained about the back pain resulting from it. In their case they were plus-sized as well so coulda been more than just the breasts responsible but still.

Long as the nipples are big when erect, and the areoles nice and dark they show sexily through your tops, actual size of the breast itself is moot

D4E - you are a bit of a freak, but, honest (or so it seem...) I hate even responding to you because you make my skin crawl, but have to acknowledge your forthrightness....

 

[RKMBrown]

I think there are levels, looking aesthetically - for example, see below:

Not to small: View attachment 45291

Big but nice:

Circus act:

My view in blue..

 

[Bonzi]

I think it has more to do with men's obsession with breasts.

I have to admit big breast can be an attention getter. After all, it like wow, those are big. That does not necessary mean that men find big breasts more attractive.

So you notice them but it doesn't give you an automatic woody?

No automatic woody. Speaking of Woody, I think Jessie is kind of sexy.

So... you like redheads...?

I like to drink ginger ale with them.

"ginger..." I get it...
How about a bloody mary?

 

[RKMBrown]

In some cultures, it is customary for women to be covered from head to toe. In others, to be naked to the waist. It is entirely subjective.

View attachment 45288

I'm talking about most cultures here though. Most of them are quite similar to ourselves because it's a matter of practicality. Most people prefer clothing also because it would protect you from the elements as well as bugs and leering weirdos too. Lol.

And some have done and do cover more that the average western woman.

Again though, I'm talking about what you most commonly see. Aside from some religious extremists, most women aren't covering more than the average western woman, nor are they revealing more, except for maybe on the beaches in some countries, but they usually will always have their genitals covered, and that is not only for modesty purposes but also for practicality purposes. You don't really want to sit on the hot sand without any panties on, you know?

I'm just pointing out that these norms are quite mutable. I don't think that the society of 100+ years ago would find the average western woman of today to be sufficiently feminine, or at least sufficiently ladylike.

Nor would they find the average western man sufficiently manly due to his lack of practical skills, burps, farts, and Truck Nutz, notwithstanding.

Today: women are less feminine and men are MORE feminine.

Agree or disagree?

Disagree.

 

[Bonzi]

Does "feminine" mean makeup and such? Some women wear makeup very well, but the most beautiful woman I've ever met looks perfect without any.

Most women wear makeup. That is just a fact. Even if you might not realize they are wearing some makeup, most are. It is rare that you see a woman without some kind of makeup on. Most of those you see without any makeup are usually not the "attractive" ones but the rather icky ones from my own experience.

The ones with make-up are just covering the icky

So, it is your contention that women who wear makeup are ugly and the ones who aren't wearing makeup are beautiful? Is that what you're saying?

It's more honest...not to wear make-up.....

That's my objection to it (and hair dyes.) It isn't honest. Sure it looks good, but since you don't look like that without it it's "false advertizing."

Depends on you agenda. If you want to look good enough to get laid. Or good enough to have a relationship.

 

[Bonzi]

I'm talking about most cultures here though. Most of them are quite similar to ourselves because it's a matter of practicality. Most people prefer clothing also because it would protect you from the elements as well as bugs and leering weirdos too. Lol.

And some have done and do cover more that the average western woman.

Again though, I'm talking about what you most commonly see. Aside from some religious extremists, most women aren't covering more than the average western woman, nor are they revealing more, except for maybe on the beaches in some countries, but they usually will always have their genitals covered, and that is not only for modesty purposes but also for practicality purposes. You don't really want to sit on the hot sand without any panties on, you know?

I'm just pointing out that these norms are quite mutable. I don't think that the society of 100+ years ago would find the average western woman of today to be sufficiently feminine, or at least sufficiently ladylike.

Nor would they find the average western man sufficiently manly due to his lack of practical skills, burps, farts, and Truck Nutz, notwithstanding.

Today: women are less feminine and men are MORE feminine.

Agree or disagree?

Disagree.

women are more aggressive and assertive. Do you find that "unfeminine"
Men today are more passive - they do more womanly things (care for babies, go shopping etc.). Do you find that feminine?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Most women wear makeup. That is just a fact. Even if you might not realize they are wearing some makeup, most are. It is rare that you see a woman without some kind of makeup on. Most of those you see without any makeup are usually not the "attractive" ones but the rather icky ones from my own experience.

The ones with make-up are just covering the icky

So, it is your contention that women who wear makeup are ugly and the ones who aren't wearing makeup are beautiful? Is that what you're saying?

It's more honest...not to wear make-up.....

That's my objection to it (and hair dyes.) It isn't honest. Sure it looks good, but since you don't look like that without it it's "false advertizing."

Depends on you agenda. If you want to look good enough to get laid. Or good enough to have a relationship.

Always found hippy chicks hot. Simple straight hair, no makeup, long skirt and modest top sans bra.

 

[JoeMoma]

I have to admit big breast can be an attention getter. After all, it like wow, those are big. That does not necessary mean that men find big breasts more attractive.

So you notice them but it doesn't give you an automatic woody?

No automatic woody. Speaking of Woody, I think Jessie is kind of sexy.

So... you like redheads...?

I like to drink ginger ale with them.

"ginger..." I get it...
How about a bloody mary?

I've never had a Bloody Mary.
I could handle a V-8.

 

[JoeMoma]

The ones with make-up are just covering the icky

So, it is your contention that women who wear makeup are ugly and the ones who aren't wearing makeup are beautiful? Is that what you're saying?

It's more honest...not to wear make-up.....

That's my objection to it (and hair dyes.) It isn't honest. Sure it looks good, but since you don't look like that without it it's "false advertizing."

Depends on you agenda. If you want to look good enough to get laid. Or good enough to have a relationship.

Always found hippy chicks hot. Simple straight hair, no makeup, long skirt and modest top sans bra.

I thought that hippy chicks didn't wear bras.

 

[Moonglow]

And some have done and do cover more that the average western woman.

Again though, I'm talking about what you most commonly see. Aside from some religious extremists, most women aren't covering more than the average western woman, nor are they revealing more, except for maybe on the beaches in some countries, but they usually will always have their genitals covered, and that is not only for modesty purposes but also for practicality purposes. You don't really want to sit on the hot sand without any panties on, you know?

I'm just pointing out that these norms are quite mutable. I don't think that the society of 100+ years ago would find the average western woman of today to be sufficiently feminine, or at least sufficiently ladylike.

Nor would they find the average western man sufficiently manly due to his lack of practical skills, burps, farts, and Truck Nutz, notwithstanding.

Today: women are less feminine and men are MORE feminine.

Agree or disagree?

Disagree.

women are more aggressive and assertive. Do you find that "unfeminine"
Men today are more passive - they do more womanly things (care for babies, go shopping etc.). Do you find that feminine?

What a load....I have severe problems cause I am not passive, I'm the one with the dangling modifier...

 

[Moonglow]

So, it is your contention that women who wear makeup are ugly and the ones who aren't wearing makeup are beautiful? Is that what you're saying?

It's more honest...not to wear make-up.....

That's my objection to it (and hair dyes.) It isn't honest. Sure it looks good, but since you don't look like that without it it's "false advertizing."

Depends on you agenda. If you want to look good enough to get laid. Or good enough to have a relationship.

Always found hippy chicks hot. Simple straight hair, no makeup, long skirt and modest top sans bra.

I thought that hippy chicks didn't wear bras.

Even better....

 

[Bonzi]

The ones with make-up are just covering the icky

So, it is your contention that women who wear makeup are ugly and the ones who aren't wearing makeup are beautiful? Is that what you're saying?

It's more honest...not to wear make-up.....

That's my objection to it (and hair dyes.) It isn't honest. Sure it looks good, but since you don't look like that without it it's "false advertizing."

Depends on you agenda. If you want to look good enough to get laid. Or good enough to have a relationship.

Always found hippy chicks hot. Simple straight hair, no makeup, long skirt and modest top sans bra.

 

[Moonglow]

Again though, I'm talking about what you most commonly see. Aside from some religious extremists, most women aren't covering more than the average western woman, nor are they revealing more, except for maybe on the beaches in some countries, but they usually will always have their genitals covered, and that is not only for modesty purposes but also for practicality purposes. You don't really want to sit on the hot sand without any panties on, you know?

I'm just pointing out that these norms are quite mutable. I don't think that the society of 100+ years ago would find the average western woman of today to be sufficiently feminine, or at least sufficiently ladylike.

Nor would they find the average western man sufficiently manly due to his lack of practical skills, burps, farts, and Truck Nutz, notwithstanding.

Today: women are less feminine and men are MORE feminine.

Agree or disagree?

Disagree.

women are more aggressive and assertive. Do you find that "unfeminine"
Men today are more passive - they do more womanly things (care for babies, go shopping etc.). Do you find that feminine?

What a load....I have severe problems cause I am not passive, I'm the one with the dangling modifier...

I have been a single parent twice and had to be both parents, which meant I did what was needed to raise the kids...

 

[Moonglow]

So, it is your contention that women who wear makeup are ugly and the ones who aren't wearing makeup are beautiful? Is that what you're saying?

It's more honest...not to wear make-up.....

That's my objection to it (and hair dyes.) It isn't honest. Sure it looks good, but since you don't look like that without it it's "false advertizing."

Depends on you agenda. If you want to look good enough to get laid. Or good enough to have a relationship.

Always found hippy chicks hot. Simple straight hair, no makeup, long skirt and modest top sans bra.

Killer...