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Question for Men: Feminine Women

Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Appearance is the bait.
Personality is the hook.
 
The ultra fem mode that some women believe is a man's ultimate desire, imo, is way off. That ultra fem game is merely part of the women's world, imo, of competition that we men rarely get to see. The observant man finds that world a turn off.

I am not ultra fem (I like to look good, be neat, stay slim etc.) but I don't live at the hairdresser or nail salon.
I never thought men liked that anyway.....
I think you need to be attractive, but, attitude I think is key in keeping a man....

A sense of humor beats eye shadow and polished nails hands down.

Attentive to your partner, being fun and carefree. Loyal & loving & giving.
If you are in the least bit attractive and have these other qualities. Game over.

Ahh, at least you are honest and said "least bit attractive." :D
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Appearance is the bait.
Personality is the hook.

I think I have a good appearance and a good personality, so why do I always meet assholes? :D
 
I have been a single parent twice and had to be both parents, which meant I did what was needed to raise the kids...

If you had met me, you would have made 3 bad decisions ;)
I've made more than three...

Sometimes you have to look at the common denominator....
When I see weakness, I take control, and rarely abate..

what kinds of weaknesses?
Lack of leadership, negotiating skills, earning potential and domestic trades...
 
The ultra fem mode that some women believe is a man's ultimate desire, imo, is way off. That ultra fem game is merely part of the women's world, imo, of competition that we men rarely get to see. The observant man finds that world a turn off.

I am not ultra fem (I like to look good, be neat, stay slim etc.) but I don't live at the hairdresser or nail salon.
I never thought men liked that anyway.....
I think you need to be attractive, but, attitude I think is key in keeping a man....

A sense of humor beats eye shadow and polished nails hands down.

Attentive to your partner, being fun and carefree. Loyal & loving & giving.
If you are in the least bit attractive and have these other qualities. Game over.

Ahh, at least you are honest and said "least bit attractive." :D

ultimately, in the long run, men care more about what you do for them.
the attraction / sex part is temporal.
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Depends on how you interact with and meet people. If primarily online how you look matters more than if not. Like if on a dating site where people see your pic before any details, looks matter more. When out n about though, your personality will play a bigger part than how you look. Looks might get the initial "hello" and flirting, but if there's nothing good beyond how you look you might as well get on some reality show ;)
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Appearance is the bait.
Personality is the hook.

I think I have a good appearance and a good personality, so why do I always meet assholes? :D
Don't start this shit, you meat bad men cause you are shallow and self centered..
 
And some have done and do cover more that the average western woman.

Again though, I'm talking about what you most commonly see. Aside from some religious extremists, most women aren't covering more than the average western woman, nor are they revealing more, except for maybe on the beaches in some countries, but they usually will always have their genitals covered, and that is not only for modesty purposes but also for practicality purposes. You don't really want to sit on the hot sand without any panties on, you know? :D

I'm just pointing out that these norms are quite mutable. I don't think that the society of 100+ years ago would find the average western woman of today to be sufficiently feminine, or at least sufficiently ladylike.

Nor would they find the average western man sufficiently manly due to his lack of practical skills, burps, farts, and Truck Nutz, notwithstanding.

Today: women are less feminine and men are MORE feminine.

Agree or disagree?
Disagree.

women are more aggressive and assertive. Do you find that "unfeminine"
Men today are more passive - they do more womanly things (care for babies, go shopping etc.). Do you find that feminine?
There are many different types of aggressive and assertive behaviors.

I've never been attracted to the Barbara Stanwick / Hillary Clinton type if that's what you mean. But that type is not new to this era.

Caring for babies and shopping are not a womanly tasks, never have been. Though yes I understand the stereotyping that was the norm in the 50s. My wife stayed home raised our kids. That's what she wanted to do. Men are men and women are women. Men will shop differently than women, but that does not mean shopping is womanly and only women can do it best. Same for child raising. While I coached the teams of my kids my wife was the home mother. This is good. That does not mean a woman can't coach or that a man can't cook.
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Appearance is the bait.
Personality is the hook.

I think I have a good appearance and a good personality, so why do I always meet assholes? :D

(1) Bad luck
(2) Bad character judgment
(3) Over-estimation of yourself.

Which is it?
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Appearance is the bait.
Personality is the hook.

I think I have a good appearance and a good personality, so why do I always meet assholes? :D
Don't start this shit, you meat bad men cause you are shallow and self centered..

Do you want Chris MG?
 
The ultra fem mode that some women believe is a man's ultimate desire, imo, is way off. That ultra fem game is merely part of the women's world, imo, of competition that we men rarely get to see. The observant man finds that world a turn off.

I am not ultra fem (I like to look good, be neat, stay slim etc.) but I don't live at the hairdresser or nail salon.
I never thought men liked that anyway.....
I think you need to be attractive, but, attitude I think is key in keeping a man....

A sense of humor beats eye shadow and polished nails hands down.

Attentive to your partner, being fun and carefree. Loyal & loving & giving.
If you are in the least bit attractive and have these other qualities. Game over.

Ahh, at least you are honest and said "least bit attractive." :D

ultimately, in the long run, men care more about what you do for them.
the attraction / sex part is temporal.

I disagree, not if you want to have a passionate sex life anyways. Men are very visual creatures. That is why they like to look at half naked women. Notice, they aren't looking at the overweight ones who aren't wearing makeup. They are looking at the most made up creatures on the planet. :D
 
The ultra fem mode that some women believe is a man's ultimate desire, imo, is way off. That ultra fem game is merely part of the women's world, imo, of competition that we men rarely get to see. The observant man finds that world a turn off.

I am not ultra fem (I like to look good, be neat, stay slim etc.) but I don't live at the hairdresser or nail salon.
I never thought men liked that anyway.....
I think you need to be attractive, but, attitude I think is key in keeping a man....

A sense of humor beats eye shadow and polished nails hands down.

Attentive to your partner, being fun and carefree. Loyal & loving & giving.
If you are in the least bit attractive and have these other qualities. Game over.

Ahh, at least you are honest and said "least bit attractive." :D

ultimately, in the long run, men care more about what you do for them.
the attraction / sex part is temporal.
Marriage is like a coop, one needs to helps the other with their strengths, not separate from weakness...it also depends on the people involved...
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Depends on how you interact with and meet people. If primarily online how you look matters more than if not. Like if on a dating site where people see your pic before any details, looks matter more. When out n about though, your personality will play a bigger part than how you look. Looks might get the initial "hello" and flirting, but if there's nothing good beyond how you look you might as well get on some reality show ;)

Exactly. Looks matter. To say otherwise is being dishonest. Are you going to approach the 300-pound woman wearing glasses and no makeup because she might have a nice personality? Are you going to want to have sex with her because she has a nice personality?
 
Again though, I'm talking about what you most commonly see. Aside from some religious extremists, most women aren't covering more than the average western woman, nor are they revealing more, except for maybe on the beaches in some countries, but they usually will always have their genitals covered, and that is not only for modesty purposes but also for practicality purposes. You don't really want to sit on the hot sand without any panties on, you know? :D

I'm just pointing out that these norms are quite mutable. I don't think that the society of 100+ years ago would find the average western woman of today to be sufficiently feminine, or at least sufficiently ladylike.

Nor would they find the average western man sufficiently manly due to his lack of practical skills, burps, farts, and Truck Nutz, notwithstanding.

Today: women are less feminine and men are MORE feminine.

Agree or disagree?
Disagree.

women are more aggressive and assertive. Do you find that "unfeminine"
Men today are more passive - they do more womanly things (care for babies, go shopping etc.). Do you find that feminine?
There are many different types of aggressive and assertive behaviors.

I've never been attracted to the Barbara Stanwick / Hillary Clinton type if that's what you mean. But that type is not new to this era.

Caring for babies and shopping are not a womanly tasks, never have been. Though yes I understand the stereotyping that was the norm in the 50s. My wife stayed home raised our kids. That's what she wanted to do. Men are men and women are women. Men will shop differently than women, but that does not mean shopping is womanly and only women can do it best. Same for child raising. While I coached the teams of my kids my wife was the home mother. This is good. That does not mean a woman can't coach or that a man can't cook.

I'm 51 and I'm not a very good cook or housekeeper. Drives my 61 y/o hubby nuts.
I like to be spontaneous, he used to like that but now, not so much.
Things are not as different as you think.
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Appearance is the bait.
Personality is the hook.

I think I have a good appearance and a good personality, so why do I always meet assholes? :D
Don't start this shit, you meat bad men cause you are shallow and self centered..

Do you want Chris MG?
I have an auto mechanic already...
 
I am not ultra fem (I like to look good, be neat, stay slim etc.) but I don't live at the hairdresser or nail salon.
I never thought men liked that anyway.....
I think you need to be attractive, but, attitude I think is key in keeping a man....

A sense of humor beats eye shadow and polished nails hands down.

Attentive to your partner, being fun and carefree. Loyal & loving & giving.
If you are in the least bit attractive and have these other qualities. Game over.

Ahh, at least you are honest and said "least bit attractive." :D

ultimately, in the long run, men care more about what you do for them.
the attraction / sex part is temporal.
Marriage is like a coop, one needs to helps the other with their strengths, not separate from weakness...it also depends on the people involved...

Marriages fail because of movies.
Unrealistic expectations.
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Appearance is the bait.
Personality is the hook.

I think I have a good appearance and a good personality, so why do I always meet assholes? :D
Don't start this shit, you meat bad men cause you are shallow and self centered..

Do you want Chris MG?
I have an auto mechanic already...

this requires a Yes or No answer...
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Appearance is the bait.
Personality is the hook.

I think I have a good appearance and a good personality, so why do I always meet assholes? :D
Don't start this shit, you meat bad men cause you are shallow and self centered..

Do you want Chris MG?
I have an auto mechanic already...

You sound very bitter...
 
A sense of humor beats eye shadow and polished nails hands down.

Attentive to your partner, being fun and carefree. Loyal & loving & giving.
If you are in the least bit attractive and have these other qualities. Game over.

Ahh, at least you are honest and said "least bit attractive." :D

ultimately, in the long run, men care more about what you do for them.
the attraction / sex part is temporal.
Marriage is like a coop, one needs to helps the other with their strengths, not separate from weakness...it also depends on the people involved...

Marriages fail because of movies.
Unrealistic expectations.
Yeah, well undeveloped humans are frustrating...
 
Personally, I think appearance and personality are both just as important. Of course, appearance might become less important if a person has a really good personality but appearance is going to matter to some extent. Anyone who says differently is just lying. :D

Depends on how you interact with and meet people. If primarily online how you look matters more than if not. Like if on a dating site where people see your pic before any details, looks matter more. When out n about though, your personality will play a bigger part than how you look. Looks might get the initial "hello" and flirting, but if there's nothing good beyond how you look you might as well get on some reality show ;)

Exactly. Looks matter. To say otherwise is being dishonest. Are you going to approach the 300-pound woman wearing glasses and no makeup because she might have a nice personality? Are you going to want to have sex with her because she has a nice personality?

Great line from "American Dad," "Of course looks matter Steve! If they didn't I woulda married that fat girl in college I had all the really deep conversations with!" :)

They matter. But they're overvalued.
 

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