Question for my conservative friends here.

The files were transferred to Mar Lago while Trump was president, before Biden took the oath of office. Trump was the incumbent.

I kind of thought you knew the facts of this case, that is not true, is it.
And then at noon on January 20th, 2021 Trump lost all rights to the possession of presidential papers.

No different than a parent losing "legal custody" of a child. Once custody is legally transferred to another party, the parent is committing a crime by retaining physical possession of the child. In that case it's kidnapping,

See how that works?
 
The PRA divests the ex-president of "legal custody".

Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
Yes, no Legal Custody, that belongs to the Archives. Physical Custody is separate. Same as in a divorce, I had legal custody of my child but the mother had legal and physical custody.

The law is very specific, the Archivist possess, Legal Custody. And that is exactly what the Archivists exercised,
 
It’s like a speed trap that only applies to one specific car.
Actually that's a good example. I saw many people make that argument in traffic court, and the judge explained it. Just because someone else did not get caught, has no bearing on your being caught breaking the law.
 
Actually that's a good example. I saw many people make that argument in traffic court, and the judge explained it. Just because someone else did not get caught, has no bearing on your being caught breaking the law.
Of course. And that analogy would apply if this was a random trapping. But this trap is designed for one specific car, not just the car that had a bad luck day. See the difference? This episode points to the corruption of the system and not the actual trapped car.
Creepy.
 
And then at noon on January 20th, 2021 Trump lost all rights to the possession of presidential papers.

No different than a parent losing "legal custody" of a child. Once custody is legally transferred to another party, the parent is committing a crime by retaining physical possession of the child. In that case it's kidnapping,

See how that works?
Trump did not lose his rights, the law is specific, Legal Custody.

You do not understand, Family Law. Legal Custody does not give one visitation rights. Legal Custody is so that both parents make decisions in regards to their children. Legal Custody would allow a father without Physical Custody the right to know where his child goes to school, maybe where they will get medical attention, stuff like that.

The archivists, according to the law you linked to, states the Archivist will have, "Legal Custody". Trump taking his records does not violate the term, Legal Custody.
 
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If Trump is found guilty in the documents case with Cannon presiding, will you agree the government proved its case and Trump deserves the punishment meted out?

Before the obvious question is asked, yes I will believe the government did not prove its case if he is acquitted with Cannon presiding..


No. There can't be any actual case until hilary, biden, and obama are also indicted for the things they have done....anything else is simply banana republic crap.
 
Trump seems to be guilty of a crime that multiple other people have been guilty of, except they werent punished for it. Why would you expect us to watch our politicians go to jail for crimes that your politicians dont go to jail for? In what world does that sound reasonable? We would have to be fucking idiots to just roll over and accept it. If you havent noticed, it enraged MILLIONS of Americans.


Excellent point.

Hilary had an unsecured, secret server that she used to conduct business as Secretary of state. When her electronic devises and emails were subpoened, she destroyed them.....she had top secret information on that server, and that server was likely hacked by foreign governments........

When they indict her for these felonies, then we can move on to Trump.
 
Getting your information from the media is why they put the 1st amendment into the constitution.
Bullshit. Not allowing censorship of the press is why. Today the media tells us what they want us to hear and fools like you suck it down.
 
The Presidential Records Act
Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.


Is anyone here, divorced, with legal custody, of their child? Does your child live with you? Or does the child live with their mother?

The National Archive, has legal custody, not physical custody.

Trump violated no law
 
Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

Is anyone here, divorced, with legal custody, of their child? Does your child live with you? Or does the child live with their mother?

The National Archive, has legal custody, not physical custody.


Trump violated no law
Where you got it completely wrong is that the person with "legal custody" can determine who can have "physical custody". No different than a parent dropping their child off at daycare, thus granting them "physical custody"

But the person with "legal custody" determines who shall have "physical custody" and the National Archives with "legal custody" also took "physical custody" of all records.

To draw an analogy, Trump taking physical custody of his presidential records would have been no different than Trump taking physical custody of his daughter Tiffany Trump after the divorce.
 
And then at noon on January 20th, 2021 Trump lost all rights to the possession of presidential papers.

No different than a parent losing "legal custody" of a child. Once custody is legally transferred to another party, the parent is committing a crime by retaining physical possession of the child. In that case it's kidnapping,

See how that works?


When did biden have any Right to the secret documents he stole as Senator and Vice President?

When we deal with him, then we can deal with Trump.
 
Yes, no Legal Custody, that belongs to the Archives. Physical Custody is separate. Same as in a divorce, I had legal custody of my child but the mother had legal and physical custody.
That's a case where two people shared legal custody.
In this case the National Archives had sole legal custody. And the posessor of legal custody gets to determine physical custody. Which the National Archives determined to be the National Archives.
 
Where you got it completely wrong is that the person with "legal custody" can determine who can have "physical custody". No different than a parent dropping their child off at daycare, thus granting them "physical custody"
Where you get this wrong, is that "legal custody", and "physical custody" are determined in Family Courts, under family law, determined by judges.

A parent dropping a child off at daycare is not granting, "physical custody". These are legal terms, not, verbs adverbs and adjectives describing what one did today.

Daycare is not granted, legal "physical custody" by a parent dropping off their child.
 
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But the person with "legal custody" determines who shall have "physical custody" and the National Archives with "legal custody" also took "physical custody" of all records.
Person, needs to be agency or department.

No one yet, has produced any document or has had a witness state, that they refused President Trump, physical custody of said documents on the day of or even shortly after President Trump left office.
 

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