Question for those who actually believe 'transgenderism' is a real thing?

[ChrisL]

I was thinking that myself....that he is open minded to LISTEN and not offensively either. Nice change from the usual around here.

True. He seems nice enough but not THAT open minded. Lol.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

I was thinking that myself....that he is open minded to LISTEN and not offensively either. Nice change from the usual around here.

Oh I have been offensive. Lol

 

[ChrisL]

I was thinking that myself....that he is open minded to LISTEN and not offensively either. Nice change from the usual around here.

Oh I have been offensive. Lol

Nooooooo. You? Nooooo.

 

[Gracie]

I was thinking that myself....that he is open minded to LISTEN and not offensively either. Nice change from the usual around here.

Oh I have been offensive. Lol

Um.No. You have disagreed and argued your point but you have not resorted to what usually happens here. I find it refreshing.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

I was thinking that myself....that he is open minded to LISTEN and not offensively either. Nice change from the usual around here.

Oh I have been offensive. Lol

Um.No. You have disagreed and argued your point but you have not resorted to what usually happens here. I find it refreshing.

Thanks to having you two ladies here. Its usually an insult fest on here.

 

[Gracie]

Thanks for being a gentleman while debating your views.
Can we clone you?

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Thanks for being a gentleman while debating your views.
Can we clone you?

Haha...I don't know if the world could handle two of me.

 

[Moonglow]

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

You are shallow and pedantic, to include very ignorant of transgender people.....Did you knot know that there are republican TV's, CD's, Sissy Bois, Femboys, etc.....and straight ol' gheys...and they are in the GOP ...Damn you be dumb, look up Log Cabiners....

 

[Moonglow]

Who are you to tell someone how to live their life? You conservatives want everyone to be a fundie god preaching asshole and you can't stand it if someone says fuck that.

This has nothing to do with telling them how to live their life. Wrong thread.

Oh yes it does, where is a dissertation on bikers with drug and alcohol addictions that commit crimes? Or do you just have a hard on for drag queens?

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Who are you to tell someone how to live their life? You conservatives want everyone to be a fundie god preaching asshole and you can't stand it if someone says fuck that.

This has nothing to do with telling them how to live their life. Wrong thread.

Oh yes it does, where is a dissertation on bikers with drug and alcohol addictions that commit crimes? Or do you just have a hard on for drag queens?

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

You are shallow and pedantic, to include very ignorant of transgender people.....Did you knot know that there are republican TV's, CD's, Sissy Bois, Femboys, etc.....and straight ol' gheys...and they are in the GOP ...Damn you be dumb, look up Log Cabiners....

Shut your pie hole. You are ignorant on transgender people, not me. I've done my research. Now sit down and shut up.

 

[flacaltenn]

Also Flacaltenn,

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Because it's NOT just chromosome disorders. It's varying magnitudes of hormonal production, size or variance in genitalia, etc. It could be actually psychological as well as physical. There's a LOT to sort out before you can DECLARE a patient an actual candidate for transgender status.. From the Psych view of it ------


Diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria
By Dr Ananya Mandal, MD

Gender dysphoria is a condition where then person identifies himself or herself with the opposite of their original biological sex. This is not a mental disorder. However, some people may need therapy.

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria is thus important to rule out other concurrent or underlying mental disorders like anxiety, depression etc. (1)

A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis
Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

The team may comprise of:

Psychiatrists
Psychologists
Neurologists
Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)
Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)
Behavioral and occupation therapists
Counsellors etc.
Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

Two phase diagnosis
Diagnosis may be a challenge since results of psychological testing may not be conclusive.

The International Harry Benjamin Gender Dysphoria Association lays down guidelines for a two phase diagnosis. (1)

Phase I – Diagnosis is based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders IV (Text Revision) or DSM – IV TR.
Phase II – Here the patient is assessed if he or she can live in the desired sex role permanently. This involves family information and counselling and name change. Hormonal therapy, gender re-assignation surgery and psychotherapy is administered as needed.

Ruling out other diagnosis
Differential diagnosis or other diagnosis that need to be ruled out during assessment of a suspected person with gender dysphoria include (1):–

Nonconformity to stereotypical sex role behaviors
Transvestic fetishism – The person may have a sexual fetish with cross dressing
Concurrent congenital intersex condition – The person may have ambiguous genitalia
Schizophrenia

So to GET to a clinical diagnosis as a TRUE Transexual candidate --- you must first rule out fetishes, simple behavioural issues, Schizoids, Depression, anxiety OR ACTUAL PHYSICAL birth conditions..

People with actual OBSERVABLE and MEASURABLE physical abnormalities have to have a medical team decide the feasibility of moving in EITHER direction. Improving the BORN condition -- or transitioning to the OPPOSITE condition.

Lots of moving parts. ALL of them SANE and somewhat scientific. No yelling and screaming required..

I didn't say it was just hormonal..
Copy and pasted OP:
"

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Because it's NOT just chromosome disorders. It's varying magnitudes of hormonal production, size or variance in genitalia, etc. It could be actually psychological as well as physical. There's a LOT to sort out before you can DECLARE a patient an actual candidate for transgender status.. From the Psych view of it ------


Diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria
By Dr Ananya Mandal, MD

Gender dysphoria is a condition where then person identifies himself or herself with the opposite of their original biological sex. This is not a mental disorder. However, some people may need therapy.

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria is thus important to rule out other concurrent or underlying mental disorders like anxiety, depression etc. (1)

A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis
Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

The team may comprise of:

Psychiatrists
Psychologists
Neurologists
Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)
Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)
Behavioral and occupation therapists
Counsellors etc.
Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

Two phase diagnosis
Diagnosis may be a challenge since results of psychological testing may not be conclusive.

The International Harry Benjamin Gender Dysphoria Association lays down guidelines for a two phase diagnosis. (1)

Phase I – Diagnosis is based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders IV (Text Revision) or DSM – IV TR.
Phase II – Here the patient is assessed if he or she can live in the desired sex role permanently. This involves family information and counselling and name change. Hormonal therapy, gender re-assignation surgery and psychotherapy is administered as needed.

Ruling out other diagnosis
Differential diagnosis or other diagnosis that need to be ruled out during assessment of a suspected person with gender dysphoria include (1):–

Nonconformity to stereotypical sex role behaviors
Transvestic fetishism – The person may have a sexual fetish with cross dressing
Concurrent congenital intersex condition – The person may have ambiguous genitalia
Schizophrenia

So to GET to a clinical diagnosis as a TRUE Transexual candidate --- you must first rule out fetishes, simple behavioural issues, Schizoids, Depression, anxiety OR ACTUAL PHYSICAL birth conditions..

People with actual OBSERVABLE and MEASURABLE physical abnormalities have to have a medical team decide the feasibility of moving in EITHER direction. Improving the BORN condition -- or transitioning to the OPPOSITE condition.

Lots of moving parts. ALL of them SANE and somewhat scientific. No yelling and screaming required..

Bro...I didn't say it was only hormonal abnormalities. Read it again(pay attention to the *'s):
"On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities *and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs)* are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?"

Well of course it's in the DSM.. USED to be called a disorder, but they changed that for correctness. BUT it's NOT a mental illness. It's the diagnosis that applies once you RULED OUT all those other confounding possibilities. A simple transvestite or dual personality disorder patient is NOT a candidate trans-sexual. ALL of that stuff gets ruled out before they start considering a BONIFIDE trans-sexual case.

AND -- the presence of birth related abnormalities just makes it more complicated as that drags in a medical team to figure out the feasibility of the 2 possible directions (gender improvement -- gender reassignment).

Makes my eyes glaze over. But it's NOT an EMOTIONAL decision.. It's science man.. You know white coats and pocket protector stuff..

I don't think I or anyone else with any common sense needs eggheads in white coats with pocket protectors to figure out that if you are a male and you think you are a female....something is wrong with your mind. Whatever it is that causes the condition, sure...let scientists figure it out. But I am not going to buy that if someone has those problems that they are mentally healthy. It doesn't even make sense to even try to push that as a legitimate argument, unless you have some sort of agenda of course.

That's pretty narrow-minded since I just told you that some of these people are afflicted with simple KNOWN psychological disorders like anxiety, depression, schizophrenia and are MEDICAL patients and others have measurable PHYSICAL deviations from birth. THAT -- is a medical issue.. Not gonna depend on hyped up yahoos for their diagnosis and opinions. And the point is -- that set of hyped up yahoos who want to play doctor INCLUDES politicians grandstanding for votes.

NONE of those people matter. It is a matter to be sorted out and defined by the folks with medical licenses. Which takes more than just a couple open empties of beer on a Friday night and an internet connection..

When YOU do the triage -- you find the LEGITIMATE transsexuals and transsexual candidates. That's what this entire scream fest is missing..

 

[ChrisL]

Except that they are referred to "gender specialists."

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Also Flacaltenn,

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Because it's NOT just chromosome disorders. It's varying magnitudes of hormonal production, size or variance in genitalia, etc. It could be actually psychological as well as physical. There's a LOT to sort out before you can DECLARE a patient an actual candidate for transgender status.. From the Psych view of it ------


Diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria
By Dr Ananya Mandal, MD

Gender dysphoria is a condition where then person identifies himself or herself with the opposite of their original biological sex. This is not a mental disorder. However, some people may need therapy.

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria is thus important to rule out other concurrent or underlying mental disorders like anxiety, depression etc. (1)

A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis
Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

The team may comprise of:

Psychiatrists
Psychologists
Neurologists
Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)
Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)
Behavioral and occupation therapists
Counsellors etc.
Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

Two phase diagnosis
Diagnosis may be a challenge since results of psychological testing may not be conclusive.

The International Harry Benjamin Gender Dysphoria Association lays down guidelines for a two phase diagnosis. (1)

Phase I – Diagnosis is based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders IV (Text Revision) or DSM – IV TR.
Phase II – Here the patient is assessed if he or she can live in the desired sex role permanently. This involves family information and counselling and name change. Hormonal therapy, gender re-assignation surgery and psychotherapy is administered as needed.

Ruling out other diagnosis
Differential diagnosis or other diagnosis that need to be ruled out during assessment of a suspected person with gender dysphoria include (1):–

Nonconformity to stereotypical sex role behaviors
Transvestic fetishism – The person may have a sexual fetish with cross dressing
Concurrent congenital intersex condition – The person may have ambiguous genitalia
Schizophrenia

So to GET to a clinical diagnosis as a TRUE Transexual candidate --- you must first rule out fetishes, simple behavioural issues, Schizoids, Depression, anxiety OR ACTUAL PHYSICAL birth conditions..

People with actual OBSERVABLE and MEASURABLE physical abnormalities have to have a medical team decide the feasibility of moving in EITHER direction. Improving the BORN condition -- or transitioning to the OPPOSITE condition.

Lots of moving parts. ALL of them SANE and somewhat scientific. No yelling and screaming required..

I didn't say it was just hormonal..
Copy and pasted OP:
"

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Because it's NOT just chromosome disorders. It's varying magnitudes of hormonal production, size or variance in genitalia, etc. It could be actually psychological as well as physical. There's a LOT to sort out before you can DECLARE a patient an actual candidate for transgender status.. From the Psych view of it ------


Diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria
By Dr Ananya Mandal, MD

Gender dysphoria is a condition where then person identifies himself or herself with the opposite of their original biological sex. This is not a mental disorder. However, some people may need therapy.

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria is thus important to rule out other concurrent or underlying mental disorders like anxiety, depression etc. (1)

A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis
Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

The team may comprise of:

Psychiatrists
Psychologists
Neurologists
Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)
Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)
Behavioral and occupation therapists
Counsellors etc.
Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

Two phase diagnosis
Diagnosis may be a challenge since results of psychological testing may not be conclusive.

The International Harry Benjamin Gender Dysphoria Association lays down guidelines for a two phase diagnosis. (1)

Phase I – Diagnosis is based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders IV (Text Revision) or DSM – IV TR.
Phase II – Here the patient is assessed if he or she can live in the desired sex role permanently. This involves family information and counselling and name change. Hormonal therapy, gender re-assignation surgery and psychotherapy is administered as needed.

Ruling out other diagnosis
Differential diagnosis or other diagnosis that need to be ruled out during assessment of a suspected person with gender dysphoria include (1):–

Nonconformity to stereotypical sex role behaviors
Transvestic fetishism – The person may have a sexual fetish with cross dressing
Concurrent congenital intersex condition – The person may have ambiguous genitalia
Schizophrenia

So to GET to a clinical diagnosis as a TRUE Transexual candidate --- you must first rule out fetishes, simple behavioural issues, Schizoids, Depression, anxiety OR ACTUAL PHYSICAL birth conditions..

People with actual OBSERVABLE and MEASURABLE physical abnormalities have to have a medical team decide the feasibility of moving in EITHER direction. Improving the BORN condition -- or transitioning to the OPPOSITE condition.

Lots of moving parts. ALL of them SANE and somewhat scientific. No yelling and screaming required..

Bro...I didn't say it was only hormonal abnormalities. Read it again(pay attention to the *'s):
"On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities *and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs)* are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?"

Well of course it's in the DSM.. USED to be called a disorder, but they changed that for correctness. BUT it's NOT a mental illness. It's the diagnosis that applies once you RULED OUT all those other confounding possibilities. A simple transvestite or dual personality disorder patient is NOT a candidate trans-sexual. ALL of that stuff gets ruled out before they start considering a BONIFIDE trans-sexual case.

AND -- the presence of birth related abnormalities just makes it more complicated as that drags in a medical team to figure out the feasibility of the 2 possible directions (gender improvement -- gender reassignment).

Makes my eyes glaze over. But it's NOT an EMOTIONAL decision.. It's science man.. You know white coats and pocket protector stuff..

I don't think I or anyone else with any common sense needs eggheads in white coats with pocket protectors to figure out that if you are a male and you think you are a female....something is wrong with your mind. Whatever it is that causes the condition, sure...let scientists figure it out. But I am not going to buy that if someone has those problems that they are mentally healthy. It doesn't even make sense to even try to push that as a legitimate argument, unless you have some sort of agenda of course.

That's pretty narrow-minded since I just told you that some of these people are afflicted with simple KNOWN psychological disorders like anxiety, depression, schizophrenia and are MEDICAL patients and others have measurable PHYSICAL deviations from birth. THAT -- is a medical issue.. Not gonna depend on hyped up yahoos for their diagnosis and opinions. And the point is -- that set of hyped up yahoos who want to play doctor INCLUDES politicians grandstanding for votes.

NONE of those people matter. It is a matter to be sorted out and defined by the folks with medical licenses. Which takes more than just a couple open empties of beer on a Friday night and an internet connection..

When YOU do the triage -- you find the LEGITIMATE transsexuals and transsexual candidates. That's what this entire scream fest is missing..[/QUOTE

No you don't. You find people that are male or female...you may occasionally run into someone who is intersex. And eggheads in white lab coats who like to tinker with nature come in with quack theories like this. If you have a penis...you are male and if you have a vagina, you are female.

This practice is barbaric. We are just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[flacaltenn]

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Because it's NOT just chromosome disorders. It's varying magnitudes of hormonal production, size or variance in genitalia, etc. It could be actually psychological as well as physical. There's a LOT to sort out before you can DECLARE a patient an actual candidate for transgender status.. From the Psych view of it ------


Diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria
By Dr Ananya Mandal, MD

Gender dysphoria is a condition where then person identifies himself or herself with the opposite of their original biological sex. This is not a mental disorder. However, some people may need therapy.

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria is thus important to rule out other concurrent or underlying mental disorders like anxiety, depression etc. (1)

A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis
Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

The team may comprise of:

Psychiatrists
Psychologists
Neurologists
Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)
Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)
Behavioral and occupation therapists
Counsellors etc.
Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

Two phase diagnosis
Diagnosis may be a challenge since results of psychological testing may not be conclusive.

The International Harry Benjamin Gender Dysphoria Association lays down guidelines for a two phase diagnosis. (1)

Phase I – Diagnosis is based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders IV (Text Revision) or DSM – IV TR.
Phase II – Here the patient is assessed if he or she can live in the desired sex role permanently. This involves family information and counselling and name change. Hormonal therapy, gender re-assignation surgery and psychotherapy is administered as needed.

Ruling out other diagnosis
Differential diagnosis or other diagnosis that need to be ruled out during assessment of a suspected person with gender dysphoria include (1):–

Nonconformity to stereotypical sex role behaviors
Transvestic fetishism – The person may have a sexual fetish with cross dressing
Concurrent congenital intersex condition – The person may have ambiguous genitalia
Schizophrenia

So to GET to a clinical diagnosis as a TRUE Transexual candidate --- you must first rule out fetishes, simple behavioural issues, Schizoids, Depression, anxiety OR ACTUAL PHYSICAL birth conditions..

People with actual OBSERVABLE and MEASURABLE physical abnormalities have to have a medical team decide the feasibility of moving in EITHER direction. Improving the BORN condition -- or transitioning to the OPPOSITE condition.

Lots of moving parts. ALL of them SANE and somewhat scientific. No yelling and screaming required..

Yes, gender dysphoria, they changed the DSM diagnosis of GID (Gender Identity Disorder) because of pressure from extreme left wing groups because they didn't want them to be "stigmatized" with a mental illness, but it is a mental disease with one of the most prominent and common symptoms which is "delusion."

No they are not actually REQUIRED to see a licensed clinical psychiatrist. They only have to see a "gender specialist" and have been living as a woman for a couple/3 years. That is ALL that is required for them to be able to have surgery.

I'm sure there (in fact I KNOW) there are other treatments other than genital mutilation. These people were fine before the extreme leftist groups involved themselves. Just look at suicide rates before the 1950s and 1960s. That should clear up any "confusion" you have on this issue.

The doctor in the quote I gave above disagrees with you. I bolded it. The dysphoria diagnosis is not a mental illness. It's a declaration that there is a legitimate case for transsexual conversion. Either because because they have RULED OUT other mental conditions that are treated differently like anxiety, depression, multiple personality disorder OR the patient presents with actual PHYSICAL sexual ambiguities.

That's how you SORT legitimate transsexuals from cross-dressers, Rue Paul, or Bruce Jenner or the dweeb that just wants to get in the women's locker room.. We're not gonna depend on public opinion in EACH and EVERY case.. That's chaos and stupidity..

Ever seen pix of folks born with MEASURABLE sexual ambiguities?? Or have you led a sheltered life?

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Because it's NOT just chromosome disorders. It's varying magnitudes of hormonal production, size or variance in genitalia, etc. It could be actually psychological as well as physical. There's a LOT to sort out before you can DECLARE a patient an actual candidate for transgender status.. From the Psych view of it ------


Diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria
By Dr Ananya Mandal, MD

Gender dysphoria is a condition where then person identifies himself or herself with the opposite of their original biological sex. This is not a mental disorder. However, some people may need therapy.

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria is thus important to rule out other concurrent or underlying mental disorders like anxiety, depression etc. (1)

A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis
Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

The team may comprise of:

Psychiatrists
Psychologists
Neurologists
Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)
Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)
Behavioral and occupation therapists
Counsellors etc.
Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

Two phase diagnosis
Diagnosis may be a challenge since results of psychological testing may not be conclusive.

The International Harry Benjamin Gender Dysphoria Association lays down guidelines for a two phase diagnosis. (1)

Phase I – Diagnosis is based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders IV (Text Revision) or DSM – IV TR.
Phase II – Here the patient is assessed if he or she can live in the desired sex role permanently. This involves family information and counselling and name change. Hormonal therapy, gender re-assignation surgery and psychotherapy is administered as needed.

Ruling out other diagnosis
Differential diagnosis or other diagnosis that need to be ruled out during assessment of a suspected person with gender dysphoria include (1):–

Nonconformity to stereotypical sex role behaviors
Transvestic fetishism – The person may have a sexual fetish with cross dressing
Concurrent congenital intersex condition – The person may have ambiguous genitalia
Schizophrenia

So to GET to a clinical diagnosis as a TRUE Transexual candidate --- you must first rule out fetishes, simple behavioural issues, Schizoids, Depression, anxiety OR ACTUAL PHYSICAL birth conditions..

People with actual OBSERVABLE and MEASURABLE physical abnormalities have to have a medical team decide the feasibility of moving in EITHER direction. Improving the BORN condition -- or transitioning to the OPPOSITE condition.

Lots of moving parts. ALL of them SANE and somewhat scientific. No yelling and screaming required..

Yes, gender dysphoria, they changed the DSM diagnosis of GID (Gender Identity Disorder) because of pressure from extreme left wing groups because they didn't want them to be "stigmatized" with a mental illness, but it is a mental disease with one of the most prominent and common symptoms which is "delusion."

No they are not actually REQUIRED to see a licensed clinical psychiatrist. They only have to see a "gender specialist" and have been living as a woman for a couple/3 years. That is ALL that is required for them to be able to have surgery.

I'm sure there (in fact I KNOW) there are other treatments other than genital mutilation. These people were fine before the extreme leftist groups involved themselves. Just look at suicide rates before the 1950s and 1960s. That should clear up any "confusion" you have on this issue.

The doctor in the quote I gave above disagrees with you. I bolded it. The dysphoria diagnosis is not a mental illness. It's a declaration that there is a legitimate case for transsexual conversion. Either because because they have RULED OUT other mental conditions that are treated differently like anxiety, depression, multiple personality disorder OR the patient presents with actual PHYSICAL sexual ambiguities.

That's how you SORT legitimate transsexuals from cross-dressers, Rue Paul, or Bruce Jenner or the dweeb that just wants to get in the women's locker room.. We're not gonna depend on public opinion in EACH and EVERY case.. That's chaos and stupidity..

Ever seen pix of folks born with MEASURABLE sexual ambiguities?? Or have you led a sheltered life?

One doctor. Not every doctor agrees with this stuff.

 

[ChrisL]

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Because it's NOT just chromosome disorders. It's varying magnitudes of hormonal production, size or variance in genitalia, etc. It could be actually psychological as well as physical. There's a LOT to sort out before you can DECLARE a patient an actual candidate for transgender status.. From the Psych view of it ------


Diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria
By Dr Ananya Mandal, MD

Gender dysphoria is a condition where then person identifies himself or herself with the opposite of their original biological sex. This is not a mental disorder. However, some people may need therapy.

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria is thus important to rule out other concurrent or underlying mental disorders like anxiety, depression etc. (1)

A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis
Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

The team may comprise of:

Psychiatrists
Psychologists
Neurologists
Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)
Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)
Behavioral and occupation therapists
Counsellors etc.
Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

Two phase diagnosis
Diagnosis may be a challenge since results of psychological testing may not be conclusive.

The International Harry Benjamin Gender Dysphoria Association lays down guidelines for a two phase diagnosis. (1)

Phase I – Diagnosis is based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders IV (Text Revision) or DSM – IV TR.
Phase II – Here the patient is assessed if he or she can live in the desired sex role permanently. This involves family information and counselling and name change. Hormonal therapy, gender re-assignation surgery and psychotherapy is administered as needed.

Ruling out other diagnosis
Differential diagnosis or other diagnosis that need to be ruled out during assessment of a suspected person with gender dysphoria include (1):–

Nonconformity to stereotypical sex role behaviors
Transvestic fetishism – The person may have a sexual fetish with cross dressing
Concurrent congenital intersex condition – The person may have ambiguous genitalia
Schizophrenia

So to GET to a clinical diagnosis as a TRUE Transexual candidate --- you must first rule out fetishes, simple behavioural issues, Schizoids, Depression, anxiety OR ACTUAL PHYSICAL birth conditions..

People with actual OBSERVABLE and MEASURABLE physical abnormalities have to have a medical team decide the feasibility of moving in EITHER direction. Improving the BORN condition -- or transitioning to the OPPOSITE condition.

Lots of moving parts. ALL of them SANE and somewhat scientific. No yelling and screaming required..

Yes, gender dysphoria, they changed the DSM diagnosis of GID (Gender Identity Disorder) because of pressure from extreme left wing groups because they didn't want them to be "stigmatized" with a mental illness, but it is a mental disease with one of the most prominent and common symptoms which is "delusion."

No they are not actually REQUIRED to see a licensed clinical psychiatrist. They only have to see a "gender specialist" and have been living as a woman for a couple/3 years. That is ALL that is required for them to be able to have surgery.

I'm sure there (in fact I KNOW) there are other treatments other than genital mutilation. These people were fine before the extreme leftist groups involved themselves. Just look at suicide rates before the 1950s and 1960s. That should clear up any "confusion" you have on this issue.

The doctor in the quote I gave above disagrees with you. I bolded it. The dysphoria diagnosis is not a mental illness. It's a declaration that there is a legitimate case for transsexual conversion. Either because because they have RULED OUT other mental conditions that are treated differently like anxiety, depression, multiple personality disorder OR the patient presents with actual PHYSICAL sexual ambiguities.

That's how you SORT legitimate transsexuals from cross-dressers, Rue Paul, or Bruce Jenner or the dweeb that just wants to get in the women's locker room.. We're not gonna depend on public opinion in EACH and EVERY case.. That's chaos and stupidity..

Ever seen pix of folks born with MEASURABLE sexual ambiguities?? Or have you led a sheltered life?

I don't see anything about "gender specialists" in your post.

Sexual ambiguities are completely different than your run of the mill transsexual who doesn't have any physical anomalies. Apples and oranges.

And if you notice, it all says "may." From what I've read, they can be referred right off to a gender specialist, and if they have a history of "cross dressing" or living as the opposite gender, then they can get their surgeries. And to give CHILDREN hormonal therapy based on this criteria is pretty BAD medicine.

 

[Silhouette]

When YOU do the triage -- you find the LEGITIMATE transsexuals and transsexual candidates. That's what this entire scream fest is missing..

Who decides objectively that the patient is a "woman trapped in a man's body"? The patient or the doctor? And if it's a doctor, I'd like to get his licensing number. Nevermind why.. Well, OK, the fact that he failed human anatomy would be one of the reasons why..

 

[flacaltenn]

Except that they are referred to "gender specialists."

You didn't the read the link I provided. To RULE OUT other afflictions and assess any physical issues that they might have been born with -- A TEAM of both psych and med doctors MIGHT BE REQUIRED. Endocrine, Neurology, DNA, Urology, as well as psych specialists from a similar number of disciplines. This is NOT as easy as a "gender specialist" deciding to start hormone treatment or surgery on their own. It's a TEAM effort to figure out who are the TRUE transgender candidates.

 

[ChrisL]

Except that they are referred to "gender specialists."

You didn't the read the link I provided. To RULE OUT other afflictions and assess any physical issues that they might have been born with -- A TEAM of both psych and med doctors MIGHT BE REQUIRED. Endocrine, Neurology, DNA, Urology, as well as psych specialists from a similar number of disciplines. This is NOT as easy as a "gender specialist" deciding to start hormone treatment or surgery on their own. It's a TEAM effort to figure out who are the TRUE transgender candidates.

And what about when it comes to kids? You think it is appropriate to give kids potentially dangerous hormonal therapy when it is a fact that 70-80% of them outgrow their gender confusion? Also there is the fact that just because they are not diagnosed, that doesn't mean it isn't related to some other problem.

I am still of the opinion that this type of gender confusion stems from some type of early childhood trauma.