Question for those who actually believe 'transgenderism' is a real thing?

[ChrisL]

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Because it's NOT just chromosome disorders. It's varying magnitudes of hormonal production, size or variance in genitalia, etc. It could be actually psychological as well as physical. There's a LOT to sort out before you can DECLARE a patient an actual candidate for transgender status.. From the Psych view of it ------


Diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria
By Dr Ananya Mandal, MD

Gender dysphoria is a condition where then person identifies himself or herself with the opposite of their original biological sex. This is not a mental disorder. However, some people may need therapy.

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria is thus important to rule out other concurrent or underlying mental disorders like anxiety, depression etc. (1)

A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis
Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

The team may comprise of:

Psychiatrists
Psychologists
Neurologists
Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)
Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)
Behavioral and occupation therapists
Counsellors etc.
Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

Two phase diagnosis
Diagnosis may be a challenge since results of psychological testing may not be conclusive.

The International Harry Benjamin Gender Dysphoria Association lays down guidelines for a two phase diagnosis. (1)

Phase I – Diagnosis is based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders IV (Text Revision) or DSM – IV TR.
Phase II – Here the patient is assessed if he or she can live in the desired sex role permanently. This involves family information and counselling and name change. Hormonal therapy, gender re-assignation surgery and psychotherapy is administered as needed.

Ruling out other diagnosis
Differential diagnosis or other diagnosis that need to be ruled out during assessment of a suspected person with gender dysphoria include (1):–

Nonconformity to stereotypical sex role behaviors
Transvestic fetishism – The person may have a sexual fetish with cross dressing
Concurrent congenital intersex condition – The person may have ambiguous genitalia
Schizophrenia

So to GET to a clinical diagnosis as a TRUE Transexual candidate --- you must first rule out fetishes, simple behavioural issues, Schizoids, Depression, anxiety OR ACTUAL PHYSICAL birth conditions..

People with actual OBSERVABLE and MEASURABLE physical abnormalities have to have a medical team decide the feasibility of moving in EITHER direction. Improving the BORN condition -- or transitioning to the OPPOSITE condition.

Lots of moving parts. ALL of them SANE and somewhat scientific. No yelling and screaming required..

Yes, gender dysphoria, they changed the DSM diagnosis of GID (Gender Identity Disorder) because of pressure from extreme left wing groups because they didn't want them to be "stigmatized" with a mental illness, but it is a mental disease with one of the most prominent and common symptoms which is "delusion."

No they are not actually REQUIRED to see a licensed clinical psychiatrist. They only have to see a "gender specialist" and have been living as a woman for a couple/3 years. That is ALL that is required for them to be able to have surgery.

I'm sure there (in fact I KNOW) there are other treatments other than genital mutilation. These people were fine before the extreme leftist groups involved themselves. Just look at suicide rates before the 1950s and 1960s. That should clear up any "confusion" you have on this issue.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I have a now 28 year old gay nephew.
We were around this boy a great deal when he was young. I doubt there was any 2-3 days that went by where we did not see him. We babysat for him 100's of times, numerous weekend visits when his parents were out of town etc.
I knew this boy was going to be gay by the time he was 3-4 years old. He was effeminate. He covered his mouth when he smiled, he would do that swing back and forth girly thing when he wanted something like a little girl does...he was just simply "more girl than boy".
I have zero belief that he "chose to be gay" - that is simply dumb and closed minded to think otherwise.
Equal for transsexuals. A TRUE transsexual, which is actually rare, DO exist. It is dumb and closed minded to believe otherwise.
I would agree that for every transsexual, there are 100 transvestites. Hence the problem with the whole "bathroom argument".

 

[Katzndogz]

The left wants to pretend that it's normal for a man to wear a ruuber woman suit.

Meet creator behind bizarre female body suit craze

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

I have a now 28 year old gay nephew.
We were around this boy a great deal when he was young. I doubt there was any 2-3 days that went by where we did not see him. We babysat for him 100's of times, numerous weekend visits when his parents were out of town etc.
I knew this boy was going to be gay by the time he was 3-4 years old. He was effeminate. He covered his mouth when he smiled, he would do that swing back and forth girly thing when he wanted something like a little girl does...he was just simply "more girl than boy".
I have zero belief that he "chose to be gay" - that is simply dumb and closed minded to think otherwise.
Equal for transsexuals. A TRUE transsexual, which is actually rare, DO exist. It is dumb and closed minded to believe otherwise.
I would agree that for every transsexual, there are 100 transvestites. Hence the problem with the whole "bathroom argument".

You knew this how?

 

[Tilly]

The left wants to pretend that it's normal for a man to wear a ruuber woman suit.

Meet creator behind bizarre female body suit craze

Good lord!

 

[ChrisL]

I'm not concerned with true transsexuals using the ladies' room. They are harmless. There are plenty of MEN out there who will use this little loophole (for lack of a better word) to enter ladies' rooms because they are simply perverts or psychos.

 

[ChrisL]

The left wants to pretend that it's normal for a man to wear a ruuber woman suit.

Meet creator behind bizarre female body suit craze

Good lord!

I'm afraid to click the link.

 

[ChrisL]

I also strongly believe that these individuals are suffering from a mental illness. It fits ALL the criteria. I believe it is caused by some sort of childhood trauma, remembered or not remembered by the victim.

The only reason why it is NOT considered a mental illness is because of the extreme left and the pressure they put on our psychiatric community. They are just in denial.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Ok, but that doesn't mean in the least that a guy who gets his dick cut off is "faking it". Don't you believe your eyes?

Man lives his life as a woman. Clothes, boobs, ridicule and all that...just to what? Trick....you?

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Ok, but that doesn't mean in the least that a guy who gets his dick cut off is "faking it". Don't you believe your eyes?

Man lives his life as a woman. Clothes, boobs, ridicule and all that...just to what? Trick....you?

I'm not saying they're faking their delusion. Especially if they go through with the operation..clearly those people aren't faking it.

The question is , is it right to normalize their delusion? To feed into it?

I say no.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Ok, but that doesn't mean in the least that a guy who gets his dick cut off is "faking it". Don't you believe your eyes?

Man lives his life as a woman. Clothes, boobs, ridicule and all that...just to what? Trick....you?

I'm not saying they're faking their delusion. Especially if they go through with the operation..clearly those people aren't faking it.

The question is , is it right to normalize their delusion? To feed into it?

I say no.

How is anyone attempting to normalize it? By acknowledging they exist?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I have a now 28 year old gay nephew.
We were around this boy a great deal when he was young. I doubt there was any 2-3 days that went by where we did not see him. We babysat for him 100's of times, numerous weekend visits when his parents were out of town etc.
I knew this boy was going to be gay by the time he was 3-4 years old. He was effeminate. He covered his mouth when he smiled, he would do that swing back and forth girly thing when he wanted something like a little girl does...he was just simply "more girl than boy".
I have zero belief that he "chose to be gay" - that is simply dumb and closed minded to think otherwise.
Equal for transsexuals. A TRUE transsexual, which is actually rare, DO exist. It is dumb and closed minded to believe otherwise.
I would agree that for every transsexual, there are 100 transvestites. Hence the problem with the whole "bathroom argument".

You knew this how?

Did you read the post?
I said how I knew. He was very effeminate.

 

[ChrisL]

I have a now 28 year old gay nephew.
We were around this boy a great deal when he was young. I doubt there was any 2-3 days that went by where we did not see him. We babysat for him 100's of times, numerous weekend visits when his parents were out of town etc.
I knew this boy was going to be gay by the time he was 3-4 years old. He was effeminate. He covered his mouth when he smiled, he would do that swing back and forth girly thing when he wanted something like a little girl does...he was just simply "more girl than boy".
I have zero belief that he "chose to be gay" - that is simply dumb and closed minded to think otherwise.
Equal for transsexuals. A TRUE transsexual, which is actually rare, DO exist. It is dumb and closed minded to believe otherwise.
I would agree that for every transsexual, there are 100 transvestites. Hence the problem with the whole "bathroom argument".

You knew this how?

Did you read the post?
I said how I knew. He was very effeminate.

I don't really that means anything when the child is a toddler. Lol.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Ok, but that doesn't mean in the least that a guy who gets his dick cut off is "faking it". Don't you believe your eyes?

Man lives his life as a woman. Clothes, boobs, ridicule and all that...just to what? Trick....you?

I'm not saying they're faking their delusion. Especially if they go through with the operation..clearly those people aren't faking it.

The question is , is it right to normalize their delusion? To feed into it?

I say no.

How is anyone attempting to normalize it? By acknowledging they exist?

Activism to normalize gender transitioning now comes at children’s expense

 

[ChrisL]

I think if you have a penis, you should go to the men's room. Period. End of story. I don't care what you "think" about it. Men do not belong in the women's bathrooms or showering or changing facilities.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

I have a now 28 year old gay nephew.
We were around this boy a great deal when he was young. I doubt there was any 2-3 days that went by where we did not see him. We babysat for him 100's of times, numerous weekend visits when his parents were out of town etc.
I knew this boy was going to be gay by the time he was 3-4 years old. He was effeminate. He covered his mouth when he smiled, he would do that swing back and forth girly thing when he wanted something like a little girl does...he was just simply "more girl than boy".
I have zero belief that he "chose to be gay" - that is simply dumb and closed minded to think otherwise.
Equal for transsexuals. A TRUE transsexual, which is actually rare, DO exist. It is dumb and closed minded to believe otherwise.
I would agree that for every transsexual, there are 100 transvestites. Hence the problem with the whole "bathroom argument".

You knew this how?

Did you read the post?
I said how I knew. He was very effeminate.

I don't really that means anything when the child is a toddler. Lol.

These people are absolutely clueless.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I have a now 28 year old gay nephew.
We were around this boy a great deal when he was young. I doubt there was any 2-3 days that went by where we did not see him. We babysat for him 100's of times, numerous weekend visits when his parents were out of town etc.
I knew this boy was going to be gay by the time he was 3-4 years old. He was effeminate. He covered his mouth when he smiled, he would do that swing back and forth girly thing when he wanted something like a little girl does...he was just simply "more girl than boy".
I have zero belief that he "chose to be gay" - that is simply dumb and closed minded to think otherwise.
Equal for transsexuals. A TRUE transsexual, which is actually rare, DO exist. It is dumb and closed minded to believe otherwise.
I would agree that for every transsexual, there are 100 transvestites. Hence the problem with the whole "bathroom argument".

You knew this how?

Did you read the post?
I said how I knew. He was very effeminate.

I don't really that means anything when the child is a toddler. Lol.

Sure it does. I have both a daughter and a son. Boys and girls even at a very young age are very different. (generally speaking)
Having said that, maybe I should have said I suspected it when he was 3-4. Definitely by the time he was school age.

 

[aris2chat]

On the issue of transgenderism, leftists seem to deny some aspects of the science and enshrine others: the existence of sex chromosome abnormalities and other disorders of sexual development (DSDs) are seen as "proof" of multiple genders....despite the fact that most people who carry these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria (the DSM 5 diagnosis assigned to transgenderism).

Why do the leftists here completely ignore the fact that the vast majority of the people who have these abnormalities do not suffer from gender dysphoria and try to pretend as if the science is settled?

Also why do you guys lie and say Transgenderism a.k.a Gender Dysphoria is not in the DSM?

What benefit do you get from lying and denying scientific facts and statistics?

Naturally a mothers hormones fluctuate, but certain hormones during early brain development are what effect the person in their sexual identity.

The dispute of the chromosomes was "no man can have XX". It is the same ignorance that think men have to have two testicles. Nature creates thousands if not millions of variations. Some we call birth defects, others just anomalies that may or might not ever effect the person in life, like kidneys of differing size or heart on the right side instead of left.

This is nature, or if you believe god's handiwork. Why should anomalies someone is born with be sinful. Why if the brain development begins to create a female brain but then the body creates a male body so hard to understand? why are some twins conjoined, or why do some people have an extra arm or no arms at birth? Why are some babies born with their organs outside their body? Are these think sinful? Middle ages and some other culture, they would have killed the infant at birth and accuse the woman of sleeping with the devil. Some culture would revere the child through it's live as touched by god, holy or lucky.
Spartans were given a mentor during their training and it was normal for them to have sex and love each other their whole lives, while still expecting them to marry and have children when they come home. That was learned homo(bi)sexuality. Most is natural attracting to the same sex.

Nature in more than a hundred species can practice homosexuality. Some dolphins will even try to have sex with swimmers. Some species cross breed with other animals, even through normally they would only mate within their own species.

Nature has created people that are born LGBT, so why should others judge them as sinful or criminal? Not all bigots are isolated in small communities, but for those who travel the world and meet the variety of people would not find something like transgender as wrong. We are not clones of Adam and Eve some 100,000 yrs later. We are each a unique individual. Should brown eyes be sinful, or someone with gluten intolerance, or someone with moles?

How ever we are born, we should not be treated with scorn or hate. Maybe we can change our difference to be more "normal" but what ever our uniqueness we have to decide for ourselves what is right for us. Outsiders should not judge. Parents should just love and help if and when possible but not force the person to be less unique unless it is their wish. Just accept, love, support them emotionally, encourage them, but don't hate them for something they had not control over.

If something is offensive to you, avoid it. I have to avoid strong smells or places with too many smell. I don't call women that wear perfume sinful or forbid people, outside my home/family, from "smelling" when around me. If you have allergies, you don't ban all items that use what you are allergic too, unless it is your kitchen, you are responsible to avoid them. If friends want to get together and one is allergic to peanuts, they care enough to avoid any trace of peanuts out of respect for their friend, they don't tell that person they are going to hell. Hell is what we create here on earth with hate and abuse. Hell is the abuse someone that is LGBT suffer in school, in the community and worse by their own family. Hell is trying to live in world that won't accept them. They are not going to hell, they live it because of ignorance and bigotry.

If "you" can't love and respect all people, then it is your problem and you have to make the effort to avoid them. You don't have the right to by laws to further abuse people who might be different is some way? Would you pass a law banning all people with down syndrome from using the bathroom? Or those with six or more fingers? Unless they have been tried and convicted by the courts, not individuals, then they should not be punished.

"You" want to be part of the world, you have to accept all people as nature/god's creatures, as brothers.

Christianity, Islam, etc., should not teach hate. If they do, find another church. Jesus did not teach us to hate to his students/flock. They were lessons of tolerance and love, and forgiveness. No matter class, looks, occupation, nationality, difference, are all part of life on this planet. If one is killed, it is like killing all people (islam). Hate should be the same. If you hate, perhaps you should look internally not outward towards others.

We can spar with words on forums, but it is our actions that can get us in trouble. No sticks, not stones. Don't even think of reaching for them.

Let people just "be"

 

[ChrisL]

I have a now 28 year old gay nephew.
We were around this boy a great deal when he was young. I doubt there was any 2-3 days that went by where we did not see him. We babysat for him 100's of times, numerous weekend visits when his parents were out of town etc.
I knew this boy was going to be gay by the time he was 3-4 years old. He was effeminate. He covered his mouth when he smiled, he would do that swing back and forth girly thing when he wanted something like a little girl does...he was just simply "more girl than boy".
I have zero belief that he "chose to be gay" - that is simply dumb and closed minded to think otherwise.
Equal for transsexuals. A TRUE transsexual, which is actually rare, DO exist. It is dumb and closed minded to believe otherwise.
I would agree that for every transsexual, there are 100 transvestites. Hence the problem with the whole "bathroom argument".

You knew this how?

Did you read the post?
I said how I knew. He was very effeminate.

I don't really that means anything when the child is a toddler. Lol.

These people are absolutely clueless.

Naw, he's cool. I just disagree with that assessment about a toddler.

 

[ChrisL]

I have a now 28 year old gay nephew.
We were around this boy a great deal when he was young. I doubt there was any 2-3 days that went by where we did not see him. We babysat for him 100's of times, numerous weekend visits when his parents were out of town etc.
I knew this boy was going to be gay by the time he was 3-4 years old. He was effeminate. He covered his mouth when he smiled, he would do that swing back and forth girly thing when he wanted something like a little girl does...he was just simply "more girl than boy".
I have zero belief that he "chose to be gay" - that is simply dumb and closed minded to think otherwise.
Equal for transsexuals. A TRUE transsexual, which is actually rare, DO exist. It is dumb and closed minded to believe otherwise.
I would agree that for every transsexual, there are 100 transvestites. Hence the problem with the whole "bathroom argument".

You knew this how?

Did you read the post?
I said how I knew. He was very effeminate.

I don't really that means anything when the child is a toddler. Lol.

Sure it does. I have both a daughter and a son. Boys and girls even at a very young age are very different. (generally speaking)
Having said that, maybe I should have said I suspected it when he was 3-4. Definitely by the time he was school age.

That's not always the case. Your two children are not representative of all children.