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There's a third option that you're missing. There's already a law that prevents Congress from exempting themselves - the ACA itself.
Rand Paul's "law" is a stunt.
Please cite where this can be found in the ACA
Here's the full 2409 page document:
http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/law/patient-protection.pdf
Right here:
As amended, Subtitle D, Part II, Sec. 1312 (d.) (3) (D.)
The only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)
In your linked file, it's on page 157, starting on line 16.
Please cite where this can be found in the ACA
Here's the full 2409 page document:
http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/law/patient-protection.pdf
Right here:
As amended, Subtitle D, Part II, Sec. 1312 (d.) (3) (D.)
The only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)
In your linked file, it's on page 157, starting on line 16.
Here's the rub. There has not been an exchange created for members of Congress or federal employees. And failing the introduction of an amendment to include members of Congress and their staffs in ACA, they then stay with the same system under which they are insured now.
A constitutional amendment? Well that settles it. He's really lost his marbles.United States Constitution, Article I, Section 9:
No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States.
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I think Congress should never exempt themselves from a law,” Paul said. “But then again, I think John Roberts, he loves ObamaCare so much, he should get it. Right now, he’s getting a federal employee subsidy.
“He’s not part of ObamaCare. He makes the rest of America—through, I think, convoluted Constitutional logic—he makes us get ObamaCare, but he’s exempt.” the Senator added.
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What a stupid survey.From Merrill Matthews over at Forbes:
Who knew that when President Obama promised, "If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period," he was only referring to federal employees ... and himself?
A new survey of 2,500 federal employees and retirees found that 92.3 percent believe federal workers should keep their current health insurance and not be forced into Obamacare. Only 2.9 percent say they should become part of the new health insurance exchanges.
A website for federal employees, FedSmith.com, which reported on the survey, adds:
There is apparently little debate among the federal workforce. Federal employees do not want to be part of the new system. Instead, they prefer to keep their current health plan... Employees who are already retired have a much stronger negative reaction to being moved to a new system. Those with more than 15 years until retirement are not as unanimous in their opposition to moving into the new health care exchanges.
Learn more: Shock poll: 92% of federal workers don't want Obamacare
What a stupid survey.From Merrill Matthews over at Forbes:
Who knew that when President Obama promised, "If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period," he was only referring to federal employees ... and himself?
A new survey of 2,500 federal employees and retirees found that 92.3 percent believe federal workers should keep their current health insurance and not be forced into Obamacare. Only 2.9 percent say they should become part of the new health insurance exchanges.
A website for federal employees, FedSmith.com, which reported on the survey, adds:
There is apparently little debate among the federal workforce. Federal employees do not want to be part of the new system. Instead, they prefer to keep their current health plan... Employees who are already retired have a much stronger negative reaction to being moved to a new system. Those with more than 15 years until retirement are not as unanimous in their opposition to moving into the new health care exchanges.
Learn more: Shock poll: 92% of federal workers don't want Obamacare
Most people would rather have employer sponsored group insurance rather than individual insurance. Individual insurance whether bought on the exchanges or from a brokers is almost always more costly than group insurance and offers less benefits.
The purpose of the Exchanges is to provide a marketplace for individual insurance. It is not intended to replace employee sponsored group health insurance. If 2 million federal employees were forced to buy individual policies this would probably be the beginning of the end of employee group health insurance.Please cite where this can be found in the ACA
Here's the full 2409 page document:
http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/law/patient-protection.pdf
Right here:
As amended, Subtitle D, Part II, Sec. 1312 (d.) (3) (D.)
The only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)
In your linked file, it's on page 157, starting on line 16.
Here's the rub. There has not been an exchange created for members of Congress or federal employees. And failing the introduction of an amendment to include members of Congress and their staffs in ACA, they then stay with the same system under which they are insured now.
Group policies almost always provide better benefits at a lower cost to the employee than individual policies for several reasons.What a stupid survey.From Merrill Matthews over at Forbes:
Who knew that when President Obama promised, "If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period," he was only referring to federal employees ... and himself?
A new survey of 2,500 federal employees and retirees found that 92.3 percent believe federal workers should keep their current health insurance and not be forced into Obamacare. Only 2.9 percent say they should become part of the new health insurance exchanges.
A website for federal employees, FedSmith.com, which reported on the survey, adds:
There is apparently little debate among the federal workforce. Federal employees do not want to be part of the new system. Instead, they prefer to keep their current health plan... Employees who are already retired have a much stronger negative reaction to being moved to a new system. Those with more than 15 years until retirement are not as unanimous in their opposition to moving into the new health care exchanges.
Learn more: Shock poll: 92% of federal workers don't want Obamacare
Most people would rather have employer sponsored group insurance rather than individual insurance. Individual insurance whether bought on the exchanges or from a brokers is almost always more costly than group insurance and offers less benefits.
Why?
I bet if I bothered you stuff your head right back up your ass and ignore it anyway.
Right on schedule... When asked for specifics......again.
The faux conservative fails to deliver.....again.
I can't even pretend to be surprised anymore.
You sheep are all the same. It's time for me to count you as I catch some sleep.
Fuck you. I've provided you with so goddamned many specifics in so goddamned many threads that I see no fucking point in placating your childish demand that I repeat them. Do some searches on your own time, you'll find all you need. You and your corporatist ilk are selling our nation down the shitter and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.
Right here:
As amended, Subtitle D, Part II, Sec. 1312 (d.) (3) (D.)
In your linked file, it's on page 157, starting on line 16.
Here's the rub. There has not been an exchange created for members of Congress or federal employees. And failing the introduction of an amendment to include members of Congress and their staffs in ACA, they then stay with the same system under which they are insured now.
Did you not see the amendment to the ACA that forces Congressmen and their staffers to buy their insurance on the exchanges?
None of the exchanges are set up yet. Once they are, Congressmen and their staffers will be the only people in the country forced to use them.
Here's the rub. There has not been an exchange created for members of Congress or federal employees. And failing the introduction of an amendment to include members of Congress and their staffs in ACA, they then stay with the same system under which they are insured now.
Did you not see the amendment to the ACA that forces Congressmen and their staffers to buy their insurance on the exchanges?
None of the exchanges are set up yet. Once they are, Congressmen and their staffers will be the only people in the country forced to use them.
You can continue to believe that if it makes you feel better.
"None of the exchanges are set up yet."...
First off, yes they have.
Second, there is no exchange for federal employees or members of Congress. And nor is there likely to be one.
Does Rand Paul remind anyone else of smartasses you knew 30 years ago in college student govt?
Does Rand Paul remind anyone else of smartasses you knew 30 years ago in college student govt?
Yes.
As goofy as Ron Paul could be, he never came off as phony or glib. And, unfortunately - because I'm usually in agreement with his political positions - Rand strikes me as both.
Correct. However, the Office of Personnel Management said the government would continue its practice of paying up to 75 percent of the premium, as it does for federal workers enrolled in FEHBP but they will not be eligible for the subsidy.Did you not see the amendment to the ACA that forces Congressmen and their staffers to buy their insurance on the exchanges?
None of the exchanges are set up yet. Once they are, Congressmen and their staffers will be the only people in the country forced to use them.
You can continue to believe that if it makes you feel better.
"None of the exchanges are set up yet."...
First off, yes they have.
Second, there is no exchange for federal employees or members of Congress. And nor is there likely to be one.
Where did you pull this nonsense out of?
All of the exchanges will open on October 1st. None of them have opened yet.
There are not separate exchanges for different jobs - members of Congress and their staffers will use the Washington D.C. exchange to purchase their insurance.
Starting on Oct. 1st, members of Congress and their staffers will be forced by law to purchase their insurance on the exchanges. It's pretty clearly spelled out in the law.
What a stupid survey.From Merrill Matthews over at Forbes:
Who knew that when President Obama promised, "If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period," he was only referring to federal employees ... and himself?
A new survey of 2,500 federal employees and retirees found that 92.3 percent believe federal workers should keep their current health insurance and not be forced into Obamacare. Only 2.9 percent say they should become part of the new health insurance exchanges.
A website for federal employees, FedSmith.com, which reported on the survey, adds:
There is apparently little debate among the federal workforce. Federal employees do not want to be part of the new system. Instead, they prefer to keep their current health plan... Employees who are already retired have a much stronger negative reaction to being moved to a new system. Those with more than 15 years until retirement are not as unanimous in their opposition to moving into the new health care exchanges.
Learn more: Shock poll: 92% of federal workers don't want Obamacare
Most people would rather have employer sponsored group insurance rather than individual insurance. Individual insurance whether bought on the exchanges or from a brokers is almost always more costly than group insurance and offers less benefits.
Does Rand Paul remind anyone else of smartasses you knew 30 years ago in college student govt?
Yes.
As goofy as Ron Paul could be, he never came off as phony or glib. And, unfortunately - because I'm usually in agreement with his political positions - Rand strikes me as both.
Rand Paul is to Ron Paul as Andrew Cuomo is to Mario Cuomo.
Lesser sons of greater fathers.
Did you not see the amendment to the ACA that forces Congressmen and their staffers to buy their insurance on the exchanges?
None of the exchanges are set up yet. Once they are, Congressmen and their staffers will be the only people in the country forced to use them.
You can continue to believe that if it makes you feel better.
"None of the exchanges are set up yet."...
First off, yes they have.
Second, there is no exchange for federal employees or members of Congress. And nor is there likely to be one.
Where did you pull this nonsense out of?
All of the exchanges will open on October 1st. None of them have opened yet.
There are not separate exchanges for different jobs - members of Congress and their staffers will use the Washington D.C. exchange to purchase their insurance.
Starting on Oct. 1st, members of Congress and their staffers will be forced by law to purchase their insurance on the exchanges. It's pretty clearly spelled out in the law.
Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, FEHB provides health benefits for all federal employees, their families, and retirees including congress and staff, over 8 million people. The program is heavily subsidies with the government paying 72% to 75% of the premium. Like retirement it's major part of federal employee's compensation.You can continue to believe that if it makes you feel better.
"None of the exchanges are set up yet."...
First off, yes they have.
Second, there is no exchange for federal employees or members of Congress. And nor is there likely to be one.
Where did you pull this nonsense out of?
All of the exchanges will open on October 1st. None of them have opened yet.
There are not separate exchanges for different jobs - members of Congress and their staffers will use the Washington D.C. exchange to purchase their insurance.
Starting on Oct. 1st, members of Congress and their staffers will be forced by law to purchase their insurance on the exchanges. It's pretty clearly spelled out in the law.
Really?
Congress?s Exemption from Obamacare | National Review Online
From....washingtontimes.com
The Senate this week warned lawmakers and their staff not to sign up for Obamacares health exchanges, saying that the administration hasnt yet finalized the rules for how to keep paying for their premiums.
Members and staff are advised that they should delay enrolling in health insurance plans until we are able to offer further guidance as to how they should enroll in these insurance plans for 2014, the Senate disbursing office said in an email to staffers Monday. Premature enrollment could adversely impact eligibility for the employer premium contribution.
Internal Senate email warns lawmakers not to sign up for Obamacare yet - Washington Times
Congress, Fearing 'Brain Drain,' Seeks to Opt Out of Participating in Obamacare's Exchanges - Forbes
