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[eots]

so in other words you could care less about what patriots , victims families and first responders thoughts and concerns are on 911 are...because it does not fit with your perceived reality...nice

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[Foxfyre]

you are a complete idiot unless i could find a debunking site that somehow says it was a controlled demolition you will call it a conspiracy site ...what a idiot.. so lets be clear here you believe the patriots for 911 site is a fraud and the people on it not real even tho it has been up for years and cited on national mainstream broadcast... if so you ethier a idiot or a liar

Yeah. Any time somebody makes a claim that our government stages a terrorist attack by blowing up buildings or engineering that, I will generally ask for verifiable support for that which doesn't include a list of made up names and/or unlinked quotations taken out of context and/or conspiracy theories from other people with no expertise of any kind on the subject. You can pretty well count on that.

 

[eots]

Yeah. Any time somebody makes a claim that our government stages a terrorist attack by blowing up buildings or engineering that, I will generally ask for verifiable support for that which doesn't include a list of made up names and/or unlinked quotations taken out of context and/or conspiracy theories from other people with no expertise of any kind on the subject. You can pretty well count on that.

that's the false lame ass argument you keep offering as a way to deny a mountain of credible information .you repeatedly make this false statement but do nothing to prove you crazy patriotsquestion 911 fraud ,dissent of 911 commission members fraud and the jersey girls press for truth fraud even tho they are a matter of public record their existence not in debate by anyone but you call them made up, not credible and unverified you can disagree with there conclusions but to try and pretend their not real is pure and desperate denial

 

[Foxfyre]

that's the false lame ass argument you keep offering as a way to deny a mountain of credible information .you repeatedly make this false statement but do nothing to prove you crazy patriotsquestion 911 fraud ,dissent of 911 commission members fraud and the jersey girls press for truth fraud even tho they are a matter of public record their existence not in debate by anyone but you call them made up, not credible and unverified you can disagree with there conclusions but to try and pretend their not real is pure and desperate denial

Nope it's a the ONLY way to debate. You have to be able to verify your sources. So far all your sources seem to be conspiracy websites using made up names and unverifiable quotes plus a few already discredited additional folks like a clergyman and an assistant professor making money on conspiracy theory books but with no perceivable credentials or verifiable sources for their conclusions.

For instance, care to find any reputable magazine, newspaper, or or other credible source that carried anything like your Mark Stepnoski story? Or is that another one made up by the web conspiracy theorists? And a link to the newspaper article or even a valid post of the story would be nice too. Hard to find one though. I did find the story on Alex Jones' website with no comment from Jones whether he was buying it. I do wonder how much expertise in architecture or structural engineering a pro football player might have though. (And remember I did try to verify several of those architects and other presumed 'experts' you posted as 'proof' and so far they do all seem to be fictitious.)

So give me a practicing licensed architect or credential structural engineer who will back you up here. With that plethora of postings you've made, sure there are at least two or three among all that noise?

 

[eots]

sorry but your argument is weak and its just a game all the people on the patriots site ,veterans site, jersey girls press for truth site .any source cited will be rejected by you by virtue of the fact that that it verifies what you don't want to know and is therefore a conspiracy site and not credible. I am sure in your ignorance you have never even looked at most of the information or watched and listened to family's first responders and experts from the patriots site speak in their own words


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[RetiredGySgt]

sorry but your argument is weak and its just a game all the people on the patriots site ,veterans site, jersey girls press for truth site .any source cited will be rejected by you by virtue of the fact that that it verifies what you don't want to know and is therefore a conspiracy site and not credible. I am sure in your ignorance you have never even looked at most of the information or watched and listened to family's first responders and experts from the patriots site speak in their own words


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In other words you can not provide a name that can be verified or researched. While those that make the Government's claim are quite easily verified as to licenses , credentials and Resumes in the field of study they claim.

 

[eots]

In other words you can not provide a name that can be verified or researched. While those that make the Government's claim are quite easily verified as to licenses , credentials and Resumes in the field of study they claim.

no those are your crazy distorted words their names are all listed there creditenials all listed ,members of the 911 commission themselves are listed there are links , films you have never even taken the time to watch press for truthmade by the victims family's have you instead you hold a crazy conspiracy theory there all made up and just keep making your false claimsthe arcitic that built the towers has even stated the official storys not possible

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[eots]

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[Foxfyre]

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Yes you can find any number of leftwing activist types, some even with interesting credentials, who join with the conspiracy theorists.

But an ex-CIA guy turned political anti-administration activist and a supposed Army General--any proof this guy is for real?--still have zero expertise in architecture and/or structural engineering, nor have a single one of their accusations ever been supported by anybody other than other conspiracy theorists who also have no first hand knowledge nor expertise in architecture and/or structural engineering.

Give me one or two bonafide, verifiable, credentialed architects and structural engineers who will back up anything the conspiracy theorists are saying.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes you can find any number of leftwing activist types, some even with interesting credentials, who join with the conspiracy theorists.

But an ex-CIA guy turned political anti-administration activist and a supposed Army General--any proof this guy is for real?--still have zero expertise in architecture and/or structural engineering, nor have a single one of their accusations ever been supported by anybody other than other conspiracy theorists who also have no first hand knowledge nor expertise in architecture and/or structural engineering.

Give me one or two bonafide, verifiable, credentialed architects and structural engineers who will back up anything the conspiracy theorists are saying.

He can't. He knows he can't and so will tap dance about trying to bury that failure under a mountain of material that has nothing to do with the question.

The same way he insists the pentagon was never hit by a plane but can not explain where the plane and crew/passengers went and why no one saw them go there.

 

[eots]

He can't. He knows he can't and so will tap dance about trying to bury that failure under a mountain of material that has nothing to do with the question.

The same way he insists the pentagon was never hit by a plane but can not explain where the plane and crew/passengers went and why no one saw them go there.

your arguments are pure denial of no substance . you will have to see it on fox first before you will believe anything is real...your a joke

 

[eots]

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Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
Video 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" http://www.und


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


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Frank A. DeMartini – WTC victim. Architect and WTC Construction Manager, North Tower, 88th floor. Demartini first worked at the World Trade Center when Leslie E. Robertson Associates hired him to assess damage from the terrorist truck bombing in 1993.

Video interview 1/25/01: "The [Twin Tower] building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door. This intense grid * and the jet-plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."


Editor's note: The Boeing 767-200s that impacted the Twin Towers on 9/11 were only slightly larger than 707s and DC 8s, the types of jetliners whose impacts the World Trade Center's designers anticipated. The maximum takeoff weight of the 707 is 15% less than the 767.


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Jerry Lobdill, BS ChemE, magna cum laude, Texas Tech University – Retired Physicist and Systems Engineer with over 30 years research and design experience on Department of Defense projects for Tracor, Inc., General Electric, and The MITRE Corporation. Specialist in underwater acoustics, signal processing, software engineering, design and development of simulators and trainers for mobile sonar systems, combat systems for submarines, sonar surveillance systems, statistical modeling, probability theory and operations research. Former Senior Analyst for Tracor, Inc. at U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. Former researcher in experimental physical chemistry. Author and co-author of several scientific papers in his areas of expertise, all of which remain classified.
Essay 3/29/07: "It is very clear that the hydrocarbon fire from jet fuel could not have weakened the towers. All private and government researchers agree on this point. It is also very clear that the tower construction materials, together with the planes that crashed into them on 9/11, contained nothing that could have produced the incendiary reaction that was observed on the 82nd floor of WTC-2 shortly before the tower began its collapse." http://journalof911studies.com


Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"There is no way the WTC buildings were brought down by fire and aircraft collision. That is an absurd concept." http://www.ae911truth.org


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 200 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php


Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories, and was not hit by an airplane. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.


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Rodger A. Herbst, BAAE (Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering), ME (Mechanical Engineering) – Former Flight Control (737) and Simulation (777, 787) Engineer with the Boeing Company.
Essay 6/12/07: "So, why did the towers collapse? By now, almost six years later, we should have a definitive answer, but we do not. We have the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) study, the Federal Emergency Management Agency Building Performance Assessment (FEMA BAP); We have the Silverstein reports, we have the 9/11 Commission Report; we have the National Institute of Standards& Technology (NIST) reports and ARUP commentary.

Although these reports vary in details, and in some cases contradict one another, what we finally have is the Official Story, quoted verbatim by the US media: the impact of commercial aircraft, and the ensuing fire caused by aircraft fuel led to the collapse of WTC 1 and 2, the North and South World Trade Center Towers, on September 11 2001. The truth of the Official Story has never been proven, but has been implicitly assumed by all of the "Official" investigation reports." http://www.seattle911visibilityproject.org


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Bruce R. Henry, PhD – Former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles, General Electric Co. Professor Emeritus, Mathematics and Computer Science, Worcester State College.

Statement to this website 6/11/07: "It is clear extraordinarily powerful explosives were used to destroy the WTC Twin Towers.

Careful scrutiny of video of the collapse of the South Tower (WTC2) shows the upper segment (above the airplane strike) listing, then dropping, then disintegrating or pulverizing. There was a massive explosion near ground level immediately before those events. Using only common sense and reflection, the tilt-then-drop sequence shows the building's central structural steel core (including stairwells, elevator shafts, utility conduits, etc., and mainly, 47 thick-walled 2'X4' box section steel columns) had by some agency been made insubstantial and unable to bear weight. Putting that together with the ground level blast and the subsequent pulverization it is clear very powerful explosives had to have been in play. The airplane strike was a mere smokescreen.

Understanding the mechanism of the collapse leads to additional important questions. Who planted the explosives? What kind of explosives were used? When were they planted? And for what reasons would someone destroy not only the Twin Towers, but all the buildings in the World Trade Center?

Simple logic requires of a credible account of the Sept. 11 events that it explain ALL details clearly shown in documentary footage, together with all other known facts e.g. that alleged ring-leader Mohamed Atta had been identified by the Department of Defense antiterrorist program known as Able Danger more than a year prior to 9/11. The Official Story does not even come close to meeting that standard."



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Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." http://www.ae911truth.org


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 200 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php


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Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories, and was not hit by an airplane. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.



Let me guess its not on fox so it is all fake and made up and none of these people exist and if they do they are subversive lefty's right....talk about conspiracy theory's

 

[Foxfyre]

He can't. He knows he can't and so will tap dance about trying to bury that failure under a mountain of material that has nothing to do with the question.

The same way he insists the pentagon was never hit by a plane but can not explain where the plane and crew/passengers went and why no one saw them go there.

I know. And I admit to be doing some baiting here just for the amusement of watching the unsubstantiated and debunked and ridiculous lists in posts grow longer and longer even as legitimate questions are totally ignored and any truly debatable issue is obviously sidestepped. It has been a slow news week. I'm bad.