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I soooo hope you're right.
The Obama Legacy:
1. ObamaCare
2. The Iran Deal
3. Nidal Hasan having a turkey dinner.
Trump has two in his sights.....one to go.
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".... torture is useless."
Can't you read?
Try again:
WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.
“Enhanced interrogation techniques” were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.
“Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question,” Panetta said.
Panetta’s comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden."
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/03/...d-detainees-was-used-to-track-down-bin-laden/
Better find out who Leon Panetta is so you don't look this dumb next time.
1. "...one is voluntary and can be stopped at any time and the other is not..."
Wrong again.
Waterboarding, when used to train our soldiers, cannot be stopped at any time.
2. As you realized, there is no physiological difference between waterboarding and chugalug.
3. And, as a great deal of significant intelligence was gained by enhanced interrogation, it is recognized as a defense of the American people.
4. I only deal in facts and truth.
That's why I'm never wrong.
Let's summarize:
Waterboarding is considered by many on the left to be torture only because it occurred during the hated Bush administration.
Had it occurred during the Obama administration it would be lauded as an "effective, non-lethal, humane information gathering technique."
5. Wasn't it fun proving that you have all the discrimination ability of Don Quixote?
You didn't understand that any more than you understand waterboarding, did you.
You can ask yourself question that you can answer. Congrats! I'll reiterate, if you can understand that that word means... you are the dumbest poster on this forum.
I don't care what you think you know. But professionals have said numerous times, and even the new Secretary of Defense agrees, torturing people for information is worthless.
'I've never found it to be useful.' He said, 'I've always found, give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I do better with that than I do with torture.'"
Donald Trump 'surprised' by Mattis waterboarding comments - CNNPolitics.com
But you go right ahead and keep thinking you are right all the time. You are good at playing D&D... that is dumb and delusional.
1. " torturing people for information is worthless.'
A moot point, because, as you have found, the US never tortures....unless chugalug is torture.
2. "But professionals have said numerous times, and even the new Secretary of Defense agrees, torturing people for information is worthless."
This is why you shouldn't allow others to do your thinking for you: you're wrong again.
Let's prove it:
WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.
“Enhanced interrogation techniques” were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.
“Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question,” Panetta said.
Panetta’s comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden."
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/03/...d-detainees-was-used-to-track-down-bin-laden/
Turns out you're just chock-full of incorrect Leftist talking points, huh?
In your face, boyyyyeeeeeee!!!!
Why do you keep quoting Eric Holder? What does he matter in this?
You're NEW Sec. of Defense and whom many on this board is saying is a stud pick said... torture is useless.
You tell me I'm letting others speak for me and yet you keep using what others say for you. You really aren't very bright are you?
"Why do you keep quoting Eric Holder? What does he matter in this?"
I love how you don't even wait for me to prove how stupid you are....you prove it yourself.
It was the Obamunists who pretended that waterboarding is torture....threatening to indict those under Bush who engaged in enhanced interrogation....
....and guess what position Holder held?
I used to say folks like you couldn't be this stupid.
Guess I underestimated your stupidity quotient.
For Christ Sakes are you still spouting off at the mouth with second hand information and passing it off as your opinion? Didn't you just try to say something about me doing that a couple posts ago?
".... torture is useless."
Can't you read?
Try again:
WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.
“Enhanced interrogation techniques” were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.
“Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question,” Panetta said.
Panetta’s comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden."
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/03/...d-detainees-was-used-to-track-down-bin-laden/
Better find out who Leon Panetta is so you don't look this dumb next time.
Hey PolitiCrisp, The CIA did an investigation and found that the information used to find Bin Laden was found before they started to torture the guy and he said nothing after that. You really need to get your facts straight.
'Torture Report': Did Harsh Interrogations Help Find Osama Bin Laden?
You can ask yourself question that you can answer. Congrats! I'll reiterate, if you can understand that that word means... you are the dumbest poster on this forum.
I don't care what you think you know. But professionals have said numerous times, and even the new Secretary of Defense agrees, torturing people for information is worthless.
'I've never found it to be useful.' He said, 'I've always found, give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I do better with that than I do with torture.'"
Donald Trump 'surprised' by Mattis waterboarding comments - CNNPolitics.com
But you go right ahead and keep thinking you are right all the time. You are good at playing D&D... that is dumb and delusional.
1. " torturing people for information is worthless.'
A moot point, because, as you have found, the US never tortures....unless chugalug is torture.
2. "But professionals have said numerous times, and even the new Secretary of Defense agrees, torturing people for information is worthless."
This is why you shouldn't allow others to do your thinking for you: you're wrong again.
Let's prove it:
WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.
“Enhanced interrogation techniques” were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.
“Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question,” Panetta said.
Panetta’s comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden."
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/03/...d-detainees-was-used-to-track-down-bin-laden/
Turns out you're just chock-full of incorrect Leftist talking points, huh?
In your face, boyyyyeeeeeee!!!!
Why do you keep quoting Eric Holder? What does he matter in this?
You're NEW Sec. of Defense and whom many on this board is saying is a stud pick said... torture is useless.
You tell me I'm letting others speak for me and yet you keep using what others say for you. You really aren't very bright are you?
"Why do you keep quoting Eric Holder? What does he matter in this?"
I love how you don't even wait for me to prove how stupid you are....you prove it yourself.
It was the Obamunists who pretended that waterboarding is torture....threatening to indict those under Bush who engaged in enhanced interrogation....
....and guess what position Holder held?
I used to say folks like you couldn't be this stupid.
Guess I underestimated your stupidity quotient.
For Christ Sakes are you still spouting off at the mouth with second hand information and passing it off as your opinion? Didn't you just try to say something about me doing that a couple posts ago?
1. "are you still spouting off at the mouth with second hand information and passing it off as your opinion?"
Jeezzz.....not just politics, history, economics.....I have to teach you vocabulary, too?????
Opinion:
a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
Definition of OPINION
Everything I post is clearly my opinion, you imbecile.
2. Reminder: waterboarding is not torture, and is highly efficacious.
I quoted Eric Holder, and Leon Panetta to prove my 'opinion.'
Get it now?
".... torture is useless."
Can't you read?
Try again:
WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.
“Enhanced interrogation techniques” were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.
“Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question,” Panetta said.
Panetta’s comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden."
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/03/...d-detainees-was-used-to-track-down-bin-laden/
Better find out who Leon Panetta is so you don't look this dumb next time.
Hey PolitiCrisp, The CIA did an investigation and found that the information used to find Bin Laden was found before they started to torture the guy and he said nothing after that. You really need to get your facts straight.
'Torture Report': Did Harsh Interrogations Help Find Osama Bin Laden?
Leon Panetta, head of the CIA said the very opposite.
And your 'expert' is the Leftist radio station, NPR????
Really?
Have someone read this to you:
“Waterboarding,” the “enhanced interrogation technique” that makes a suspect think he’s drowning when he actually isn’t, is not very nice — but it is effective. The CIA estimates that up to 70 percent of what it knows about Osama bin Laden’s terrorist empire was obtained through “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11 operation, sang his entire repertoire of insider detail after the CIA interrogators gave him a bath.
We have the informed word of Leon E. Panetta, the CIA chief and soon-to-be the chief at the Pentagon, for that. When Brian Williams of NBC News asked him whether waterboarding of al Qaeda suspects led to the capture and killing of bin Laden, Mr. Panetta hemmed a little and hawed a little, until the interviewer pressed a little. “One final time,” he asked, ” ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ — which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years — that includes waterboarding?”
Mr. Panetta replied with neither hem nor haw: “That’s correct.”
PRUDEN: A tortuous route to the right thing
Now go wipe that egg of your face.
Trump obviously has a tanning bed....you can tell by the small patches of whiteness around his eyes. He has several properties in southern climes where you look sickly without a coat of tan....it's a Boomer thing.
Since the losers...er, Democrats can't come up with any critique of substance, they're reduced to harrumphing about his tan.
Ah, we have been calling him Orange since he announced.
"...we have been calling him Orange..."
We? You have a tapeworm?
Clearly you intend 'orange clown' as what passes for an intellectual and incisive critique among you losers,....er, Leftists.
It isn't.
My post, reminding you that referring to Obama as 'the brown clown' would have reeked with as much juvenile atavism.....which is why I have never done so. I pose actual fact based critiques.
And...I reminded that folks like you are so fearful of not showing the proper deference for your lord and master that you'd shake with fear at even the thought that you might slip and fail to kiss his ring.
True, isn't it.
1. " torturing people for information is worthless.'
A moot point, because, as you have found, the US never tortures....unless chugalug is torture.
2. "But professionals have said numerous times, and even the new Secretary of Defense agrees, torturing people for information is worthless."
This is why you shouldn't allow others to do your thinking for you: you're wrong again.
Let's prove it:
WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.
“Enhanced interrogation techniques” were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.
“Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question,” Panetta said.
Panetta’s comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden."
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/03/...d-detainees-was-used-to-track-down-bin-laden/
Turns out you're just chock-full of incorrect Leftist talking points, huh?
In your face, boyyyyeeeeeee!!!!
Why do you keep quoting Eric Holder? What does he matter in this?
You're NEW Sec. of Defense and whom many on this board is saying is a stud pick said... torture is useless.
You tell me I'm letting others speak for me and yet you keep using what others say for you. You really aren't very bright are you?
"Why do you keep quoting Eric Holder? What does he matter in this?"
I love how you don't even wait for me to prove how stupid you are....you prove it yourself.
It was the Obamunists who pretended that waterboarding is torture....threatening to indict those under Bush who engaged in enhanced interrogation....
....and guess what position Holder held?
I used to say folks like you couldn't be this stupid.
Guess I underestimated your stupidity quotient.
For Christ Sakes are you still spouting off at the mouth with second hand information and passing it off as your opinion? Didn't you just try to say something about me doing that a couple posts ago?
1. "are you still spouting off at the mouth with second hand information and passing it off as your opinion?"
Jeezzz.....not just politics, history, economics.....I have to teach you vocabulary, too?????
Opinion:
a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
Definition of OPINION
Everything I post is clearly my opinion, you imbecile.
2. Reminder: waterboarding is not torture, and is highly efficacious.
I quoted Eric Holder, and Leon Panetta to prove my 'opinion.'
Get it now?
You didn't read the article or the report did you? Of course not, you know everything in your own mind.
Ok, from another article, let me copy and paste this slow, because I know you don't read that good...
"WASHINGTON (AP) — A U.S. Senate investigation concludes waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods provided no key evidence in the hunt for Osama bin Laden, according to congressional aides and outside experts familiar with a still-secret, 6,200-page report. The finding could deepen the worst rift in years between lawmakers and the CIA."
Senate report: Waterboarding didn't lead to Osama bin Laden
".... torture is useless."
Can't you read?
Try again:
WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.
“Enhanced interrogation techniques” were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.
“Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question,” Panetta said.
Panetta’s comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden."
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/03/...d-detainees-was-used-to-track-down-bin-laden/
Better find out who Leon Panetta is so you don't look this dumb next time.
Hey PolitiCrisp, The CIA did an investigation and found that the information used to find Bin Laden was found before they started to torture the guy and he said nothing after that. You really need to get your facts straight.
'Torture Report': Did Harsh Interrogations Help Find Osama Bin Laden?
Leon Panetta, head of the CIA said the very opposite.
And your 'expert' is the Leftist radio station, NPR????
Really?
Have someone read this to you:
“Waterboarding,” the “enhanced interrogation technique” that makes a suspect think he’s drowning when he actually isn’t, is not very nice — but it is effective. The CIA estimates that up to 70 percent of what it knows about Osama bin Laden’s terrorist empire was obtained through “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11 operation, sang his entire repertoire of insider detail after the CIA interrogators gave him a bath.
We have the informed word of Leon E. Panetta, the CIA chief and soon-to-be the chief at the Pentagon, for that. When Brian Williams of NBC News asked him whether waterboarding of al Qaeda suspects led to the capture and killing of bin Laden, Mr. Panetta hemmed a little and hawed a little, until the interviewer pressed a little. “One final time,” he asked, ” ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ — which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years — that includes waterboarding?”
Mr. Panetta replied with neither hem nor haw: “That’s correct.”
PRUDEN: A tortuous route to the right thing
Now go wipe that egg of your face.
No dumbass... my source is from the fucking CIA and Senate report findings after a 3 year investigation.
Trump obviously has a tanning bed....you can tell by the small patches of whiteness around his eyes. He has several properties in southern climes where you look sickly without a coat of tan....it's a Boomer thing.
Since the losers...er, Democrats can't come up with any critique of substance, they're reduced to harrumphing about his tan.
Ah, we have been calling him Orange since he announced.
"...we have been calling him Orange..."
We? You have a tapeworm?
Clearly you intend 'orange clown' as what passes for an intellectual and incisive critique among you losers,....er, Leftists.
It isn't.
My post, reminding you that referring to Obama as 'the brown clown' would have reeked with as much juvenile atavism.....which is why I have never done so. I pose actual fact based critiques.
And...I reminded that folks like you are so fearful of not showing the proper deference for your lord and master that you'd shake with fear at even the thought that you might slip and fail to kiss his ring.
True, isn't it.
Save your fingers. Nobody reads your garbage...![]()
".... torture is useless."
Can't you read?
Try again:
WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.
“Enhanced interrogation techniques” were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.
“Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question,” Panetta said.
Panetta’s comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden."
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/03/...d-detainees-was-used-to-track-down-bin-laden/
Better find out who Leon Panetta is so you don't look this dumb next time.
Hey PolitiCrisp, The CIA did an investigation and found that the information used to find Bin Laden was found before they started to torture the guy and he said nothing after that. You really need to get your facts straight.
'Torture Report': Did Harsh Interrogations Help Find Osama Bin Laden?
Leon Panetta, head of the CIA said the very opposite.
And your 'expert' is the Leftist radio station, NPR????
Really?
Have someone read this to you:
“Waterboarding,” the “enhanced interrogation technique” that makes a suspect think he’s drowning when he actually isn’t, is not very nice — but it is effective. The CIA estimates that up to 70 percent of what it knows about Osama bin Laden’s terrorist empire was obtained through “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11 operation, sang his entire repertoire of insider detail after the CIA interrogators gave him a bath.
We have the informed word of Leon E. Panetta, the CIA chief and soon-to-be the chief at the Pentagon, for that. When Brian Williams of NBC News asked him whether waterboarding of al Qaeda suspects led to the capture and killing of bin Laden, Mr. Panetta hemmed a little and hawed a little, until the interviewer pressed a little. “One final time,” he asked, ” ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ — which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years — that includes waterboarding?”
Mr. Panetta replied with neither hem nor haw: “That’s correct.”
PRUDEN: A tortuous route to the right thing
Now go wipe that egg of your face.
No dumbass... my source is from the fucking CIA and Senate report findings after a 3 year investigation.
Stop lying.
I quoted Panetta directly.
"We have the informed word of Leon E. Panetta, the CIA chief and soon-to-be the chief at the Pentagon, for that. When Brian Williams of NBC News asked him whether waterboarding of al Qaeda suspects led to the capture and killing of bin Laden, Mr. Panetta hemmed a little and hawed a little, until the interviewer pressed a little. “One final time,” he asked, ” ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ — which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years — that includes waterboarding?”
Mr. Panetta replied with neither hem nor haw: “That’s correct.”
Tired of a President who bows to other potentates???
Check this out:
"Trump has chosen retired Marine Gen. James Mattis for secretary of defense
....James N. Mattis to be secretary of defense, according to people familiar with the decision, nominating a former senior military officer who led operations across the Middle East to run the Pentagon less than four years after he hung up his uniform."
Trump has chosen retired Marine Gen. James Mattis for secretary of defense
A bit of insight into who this man is:
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."
One of the rules Maj. Gen. James Mattis gave his Marines to live by in Iraq, as quoted in Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq (2006) by Thomas E. Ricks; as excerpted in Armed Forces Journal (August 2006)
The enemies of America: beware.
Tired of a President who bows to other potentates???
Check this out:
"Trump has chosen retired Marine Gen. James Mattis for secretary of defense
....James N. Mattis to be secretary of defense, according to people familiar with the decision, nominating a former senior military officer who led operations across the Middle East to run the Pentagon less than four years after he hung up his uniform."
Trump has chosen retired Marine Gen. James Mattis for secretary of defense
A bit of insight into who this man is:
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."
One of the rules Maj. Gen. James Mattis gave his Marines to live by in Iraq, as quoted in Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq (2006) by Thomas E. Ricks; as excerpted in Armed Forces Journal (August 2006)
The enemies of America: beware.
Don't ever change that avi!
The amusement it provides even surpasses the disgusting language that is your hallmark.