Reagan: Twenty five year later Mr. Gorbachev, Tear down this wall

[Dad2three]

Well, on my planet.

Reagan appointed two moderates to SCOTUS who protected a woman's right to choose abortion.

Roe V Wade was bad law and a good example of politics from the bench. It was and should be a state issue, there is no Constitutional right to an abortion.

Sold Weapons to terrorists and used the money to fund drug-dealing rebels in Central America

Where's the evidence he was involved? Even so I prefer that to using the Internal Revenue Service to shut the voices of Americans that oppose Big Government. That's exactly the kind of thing we were fighting back then on foreign soil, now it's here.

Tripled The National Debt in 8 years.

But revenues went up. If you get a raise and spend more it's dishonest to just look at our spending. Even so, much of it was military spending, which proved to be a worth while investment and he did not get the cuts from the Dems.

Giving Amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens.

That would be Planet Earth, not planet "Hate Radio".

Hate=disagreeing with you?

Ronald Reagan on Immigration
Rising levels of illegal immigration [led to] the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA). It provided amnesty for 3 million illegal immigrants, in return for increased border security and penalties for companies "knowingly" hiring illegal immigrants. Aside from creating the H-2A visa for seasonal employment, IRCA failed to create new avenues for legal immigration. The combination of amnesty and inadequate avenues for legal immigration exacerbated the problem of illegal immigration. Source: Immigration Wars, by Jeb Bush, p.133-134 , Mar 5, 2013

"But revenues went up"


Tax cuts do NOT pay for themselves. -Alan Greenspan Former Federal Reserve Chairman


Reagan Chief Economist Feldstein: "It's Not That You Get More Revenue By Lowering Tax Rates, It Is That You Don't Lose As Much."

Feldstein In 1986: "Hyperbole" That Reagan Tax Cut "Would Actually Increase Tax Revenue."

Conservative Economist Holtz-Eakin: "No Serious Research Evidence" Suggests Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."

Tax Foundation's Prante: "A Stretch" To Claim "Cutting Capital Gains Taxes Raises Tax Revenues."


Bush CEA Chair Mankiw: Claim That Broad-Based Income Tax Cuts Increase Revenue Is Not "Credible," Capital Income Tax Cuts Also Don't Pay For Themselves

Bush-Appointed Federal Reserve Chair Bernanke: "I Don't Think That As A General Rule Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."


Bush Treasury Secretary Paulson: "As A General Rule, I Don't Believe That Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."

Bush OMB Director Nussle: "Some Say That [The Tax Cut] Was A Total Loss. Some Say They Totally Pay For Themselves. It's Neither Extreme."


Bush CEA Chairman Lazear: "As A General Rule, We Do Not Think Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."


Bush Economic Adviser Viard: "Federal Revenue Is Lower Today Than It Would Have Been Without The Tax Cuts."


Bush Treasury Official Carroll: "We Do Not Think Tax Cuts Pay For Themselves."


Real revenues under Reagan fell for a number of years and lagged behind GDP. There was no relative increase at all.

However, Reagan raised taxes a number of times which offset the damage to revenues of his tax cuts to the rich.

 

[turtledude]

carter was worse in every area

Uh, he wasn't.

He wasn't worse in running up deficits.

His highest unemployment rate was 7.8%. Reagan managed to run it up to 10.8%.

Carter never sold weapons to terrorists.

We didn't have a huge spike in AIDS cases under Carter.

Not to say that Carter was a good president, he wasn't. And I'll even say some good things about Reagan. For one thing, he wasn't a crazy nut like Bush who refuse to recoginize realities.

But Reagan really did mess things up for working class folks.

Carter ruined the olympic dreams of hundreds of Americans

Good thing a Russian invasion had nothing to do with that.

carter-like most liberals-wanted to pretend he was doing something and if the pissed all over the rights of our olympians for a fake effort that accomplished nothing so be it

we had olympians who were going to compete under the IOC flag (like the Brits did) and carter's goons threatened them with all sorts of harassment.

I Know, one of the guys I won the US team shooting championship at the 88 nationals/trials, was on the 1980 Olympic team and carter told him if he competed under the IOC flag, the IRS would investigate his business etc

lol

ah the socialist tit sucker liked carter. athletes tend to be hated by the losers who end up being socialists

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hello. Knock knock. Reagan only followed policies that have been put in place even before he was voted into office as president of a (gasp) "labor union" 8 straight times.

What? The Actors Union called the USSR an Evil Empire? What???

 

[Dad2three]

and it would have been nice if Reagan had appointed justices who saw it that way. But he didn't.

So he was wrong for not picking judges with an abortion litmus test? How do you know he knew how they would vote?

The IRS didn't shut anyone up. THey just told you if you are going to take money from the Koch brothers, you have to say that's where it came from. That's actually kind of reasonable. Now, do try to stay on topic here.

More than the Koch's were involved, I don't even know if they were targeted. This has been in the news, all the conservative groups were denied tax exempt status running up to the election.Your ignorance isn't my shortcoming. If you don't want to discuss it that's your problem, not mine.

We have a problem with Jihadists today because Reagan armed them. Those damned Commies might teach girls how to read or something.

LOL. You are a fucking retard. Reagan is responsible for jihad?

Actually, the Democrats passed as much spending as he asked for. They just spent a little more on social programs and a little less on $600 Toilet Seats. And, no tripling the national debt was not a good thing because the GDP did not triple.

Eventually, Reagan did realize he made a mistake and went along with the "Tax Reform" of 1986 that raised a lot of those taxes back. IT also shifted a lot more of the tax burden onto working folks.

But no where near the level it was. Again, your ignorance isn't my problem. No, the Dems didn't give him the cuts he wanted.

Now, I can understand why you NEED mythical Reagan. He talked a good game, and things didn't turn totally into shit until after he left. Given the other Republican Presidents of the 20th century all presided over massive recessions and scandals, Reagan is pretty much the only bright spot you can point to.

No, he's the best example. I never made your claims. Again, you're a fucking retard and too stupid and dishonest to talk to. Why do people even bother? Bye.

Allowed abortion as CA Gov.; didn’t push pro-life as Pres.

Reagan was not as obsessive about anti-abortion legislation as he often seemed. Early in his California governorship he had signed a permissive abortion bill that has resulted in more than a million abortions. Afterward, he inaccurately blamed this outcome on doctors, saying that they had deliberately misinterpreted the law

While I do not doubt Reagan’s sincerity in advocating an anti-abortion amendment, he invested few political resources toward obtaining this goal. Source: The Role of a Lifetime, by Lou Cannon, p. 812 , Jul 2, 1991

 

[Dad2three]

and it would have been nice if Reagan had appointed justices who saw it that way. But he didn't.

So he was wrong for not picking judges with an abortion litmus test? How do you know he knew how they would vote?

The IRS didn't shut anyone up. THey just told you if you are going to take money from the Koch brothers, you have to say that's where it came from. That's actually kind of reasonable. Now, do try to stay on topic here.

More than the Koch's were involved, I don't even know if they were targeted. This has been in the news, all the conservative groups were denied tax exempt status running up to the election.Your ignorance isn't my shortcoming. If you don't want to discuss it that's your problem, not mine.

We have a problem with Jihadists today because Reagan armed them. Those damned Commies might teach girls how to read or something.

LOL. You are a fucking retard. Reagan is responsible for jihad?

Actually, the Democrats passed as much spending as he asked for. They just spent a little more on social programs and a little less on $600 Toilet Seats. And, no tripling the national debt was not a good thing because the GDP did not triple.

Eventually, Reagan did realize he made a mistake and went along with the "Tax Reform" of 1986 that raised a lot of those taxes back. IT also shifted a lot more of the tax burden onto working folks.

But no where near the level it was. Again, your ignorance isn't my problem. No, the Dems didn't give him the cuts he wanted.

Now, I can understand why you NEED mythical Reagan. He talked a good game, and things didn't turn totally into shit until after he left. Given the other Republican Presidents of the 20th century all presided over massive recessions and scandals, Reagan is pretty much the only bright spot you can point to.

No, he's the best example. I never made your claims. Again, you're a fucking retard and too stupid and dishonest to talk to. Why do people even bother? Bye.

More than the Koch's were involved, I don't even know if they were targeted. This has been in the news, all the conservative groups were denied tax exempt status running up to the election.Your ignorance isn't my shortcoming. If you don't want to discuss it that's your problem, not mine.

Guy, they claimed to be social welfare groups. That's why they were denied.

If they said they were political action committees and disclosed their donors- no problem.

LOL. You are a fucking retard. Reagan is responsible for jihad?

Of course, he was. Bin Laden would have been killed by the Russians have Reagan not armed him.

And, of course, there would have never been a 40+ year cold war if the cripple had not been ducking up to Uncle Joe Stalin and selling out millions of European.

Read a REAL history book and get off hate talk radio

 

[Dad2three]

No shit for brains, he dismantled a misery index over 20

Misery index is a totally made up thing, guy.

It should be pointed out that Reagan defeated high inflation by keeping the Recession going with tight money policies that not only choked the middle class, it kept wages stagnant for over a decade until the Next recession in 1990.

carter was worse in every area

REALITY


Carter 1977

Jan 7.5%
Feb 7.6
March 7.4
April 7.2
May 7.0
June 7.2
July 6.9
Aug 7.0
Sept 6.8
Oct 6.8
Nov 6.8
Dec 6.4

1978
Jan 6.4
Feb 6.3
March 6.3
Apr 6.1
May 6.0
Jun 5.9
July 6.2
Aug 5.9
Sep 6.0
Oct 5.8
Nov 5.9
Dec 6.0

1979
Jan 5.9
Feb 5.9
Mar 5.8
Apr 5.8
May 5.6
Jun 5.7
Jul 5.7
Aug 6.0
Sept 5.9
Oct 6.0
Nov 5.9
Dec 6.0

1980
Jan 6.3
Feb 6.3
Mar 6.3
Apr 6.9
May 7.5
Jun 7.6
Jul 7.8
Aug 7.7
Sept 7.5
Oct 7.5
Nov 7.5
Dec 7.2

01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% …. Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% * Reagan CUTS taxes for top 1% and says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%

01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8% * Unemployment HITS a post WW2 RECORD of 10.8%.
12/1982 - 10.8%

01/1983 - 10.4%
02/1983 - 10.4%
03/1983 - 10.3%
04/1983 - 10.3%
05/1983 - 10.1%
06/1983 - 10.1%
07/1983 - 9.4%
06/1983 - 9.5%
07/1983 - 9.4%
08/1983 - 9.5%
09/1983 - 9.2%
10/1983 - 8.8%
11/1983 - 8.5%
12/1983 - 8.3%

01/1984 - 8.0%
02/1984 - 7.8%


It took Reagan 28 MONTHS to get unemployment rate back down below 8 percent.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


AGAIN, CARTER HAD 9+ MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS GROWTH IN 4 YEARS VERSUS 14 MILLION FOR REAGAN'S 8

Jan 1979 65,636,000
Jan 1981 74,677,000

INCREASE OF 9,041,000 Total private IN 4 YEARS

Jan 1981 74,677,000
Jan 1989 89,394,000

14,717,00 Total private IN 8 YEARS

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No shit for brains, he dismantled a misery index over 20

Misery index is a totally made up thing, guy.

It should be pointed out that Reagan defeated high inflation by keeping the Recession going with tight money policies that not only choked the middle class, it kept wages stagnant for over a decade until the Next recession in 1990.

carter was worse in every area

REALITY


Carter 1977

Jan 7.5%
Feb 7.6
March 7.4
April 7.2
May 7.0
June 7.2
July 6.9
Aug 7.0
Sept 6.8
Oct 6.8
Nov 6.8
Dec 6.4

1978
Jan 6.4
Feb 6.3
March 6.3
Apr 6.1
May 6.0
Jun 5.9
July 6.2
Aug 5.9
Sep 6.0
Oct 5.8
Nov 5.9
Dec 6.0

1979
Jan 5.9
Feb 5.9
Mar 5.8
Apr 5.8
May 5.6
Jun 5.7
Jul 5.7
Aug 6.0
Sept 5.9
Oct 6.0
Nov 5.9
Dec 6.0

1980
Jan 6.3
Feb 6.3
Mar 6.3
Apr 6.9
May 7.5
Jun 7.6
Jul 7.8
Aug 7.7
Sept 7.5
Oct 7.5
Nov 7.5
Dec 7.2

01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% …. Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% * Reagan CUTS taxes for top 1% and says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%

01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8% * Unemployment HITS a post WW2 RECORD of 10.8%.
12/1982 - 10.8%

01/1983 - 10.4%
02/1983 - 10.4%
03/1983 - 10.3%
04/1983 - 10.3%
05/1983 - 10.1%
06/1983 - 10.1%
07/1983 - 9.4%
06/1983 - 9.5%
07/1983 - 9.4%
08/1983 - 9.5%
09/1983 - 9.2%
10/1983 - 8.8%
11/1983 - 8.5%
12/1983 - 8.3%

01/1984 - 8.0%
02/1984 - 7.8%


It took Reagan 28 MONTHS to get unemployment rate back down below 8 percent.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


AGAIN, CARTER HAD 9+ MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS GROWTH IN 4 YEARS VERSUS 14 MILLION FOR REAGAN'S 8

Jan 1979 65,636,000
Jan 1981 74,677,000

INCREASE OF 9,041,000 Total private IN 4 YEARS

Jan 1981 74,677,000
Jan 1989 89,394,000

14,717,00 Total private IN 8 YEARS

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Reagan dropped unemployment, inflation, interest rates and the USSR

 

[turtledude]

No shit for brains, he dismantled a misery index over 20

Misery index is a totally made up thing, guy.

It should be pointed out that Reagan defeated high inflation by keeping the Recession going with tight money policies that not only choked the middle class, it kept wages stagnant for over a decade until the Next recession in 1990.

carter was worse in every area

REALITY


Carter 1977

Jan 7.5%
Feb 7.6
March 7.4
April 7.2
May 7.0
June 7.2
July 6.9
Aug 7.0
Sept 6.8
Oct 6.8
Nov 6.8
Dec 6.4

1978
Jan 6.4
Feb 6.3
March 6.3
Apr 6.1
May 6.0
Jun 5.9
July 6.2
Aug 5.9
Sep 6.0
Oct 5.8
Nov 5.9
Dec 6.0

1979
Jan 5.9
Feb 5.9
Mar 5.8
Apr 5.8
May 5.6
Jun 5.7
Jul 5.7
Aug 6.0
Sept 5.9
Oct 6.0
Nov 5.9
Dec 6.0

1980
Jan 6.3
Feb 6.3
Mar 6.3
Apr 6.9
May 7.5
Jun 7.6
Jul 7.8
Aug 7.7
Sept 7.5
Oct 7.5
Nov 7.5
Dec 7.2

01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% …. Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% * Reagan CUTS taxes for top 1% and says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%

01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8% * Unemployment HITS a post WW2 RECORD of 10.8%.
12/1982 - 10.8%

01/1983 - 10.4%
02/1983 - 10.4%
03/1983 - 10.3%
04/1983 - 10.3%
05/1983 - 10.1%
06/1983 - 10.1%
07/1983 - 9.4%
06/1983 - 9.5%
07/1983 - 9.4%
08/1983 - 9.5%
09/1983 - 9.2%
10/1983 - 8.8%
11/1983 - 8.5%
12/1983 - 8.3%

01/1984 - 8.0%
02/1984 - 7.8%


It took Reagan 28 MONTHS to get unemployment rate back down below 8 percent.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


AGAIN, CARTER HAD 9+ MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS GROWTH IN 4 YEARS VERSUS 14 MILLION FOR REAGAN'S 8

Jan 1979 65,636,000
Jan 1981 74,677,000

INCREASE OF 9,041,000 Total private IN 4 YEARS

Jan 1981 74,677,000
Jan 1989 89,394,000

14,717,00 Total private IN 8 YEARS

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Reagan dropped unemployment, inflation, interest rates and the USSR

its crushing communism that really causes the left wing nut cases to hate him

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No shit for brains, he dismantled a misery index over 20

Misery index is a totally made up thing, guy.

It should be pointed out that Reagan defeated high inflation by keeping the Recession going with tight money policies that not only choked the middle class, it kept wages stagnant for over a decade until the Next recession in 1990.

carter was worse in every area

REALITY


Carter 1977

Jan 7.5%
Feb 7.6
March 7.4
April 7.2
May 7.0
June 7.2
July 6.9
Aug 7.0
Sept 6.8
Oct 6.8
Nov 6.8
Dec 6.4

1978
Jan 6.4
Feb 6.3
March 6.3
Apr 6.1
May 6.0
Jun 5.9
July 6.2
Aug 5.9
Sep 6.0
Oct 5.8
Nov 5.9
Dec 6.0

1979
Jan 5.9
Feb 5.9
Mar 5.8
Apr 5.8
May 5.6
Jun 5.7
Jul 5.7
Aug 6.0
Sept 5.9
Oct 6.0
Nov 5.9
Dec 6.0

1980
Jan 6.3
Feb 6.3
Mar 6.3
Apr 6.9
May 7.5
Jun 7.6
Jul 7.8
Aug 7.7
Sept 7.5
Oct 7.5
Nov 7.5
Dec 7.2

01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% …. Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% * Reagan CUTS taxes for top 1% and says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%

01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8% * Unemployment HITS a post WW2 RECORD of 10.8%.
12/1982 - 10.8%

01/1983 - 10.4%
02/1983 - 10.4%
03/1983 - 10.3%
04/1983 - 10.3%
05/1983 - 10.1%
06/1983 - 10.1%
07/1983 - 9.4%
06/1983 - 9.5%
07/1983 - 9.4%
08/1983 - 9.5%
09/1983 - 9.2%
10/1983 - 8.8%
11/1983 - 8.5%
12/1983 - 8.3%

01/1984 - 8.0%
02/1984 - 7.8%


It took Reagan 28 MONTHS to get unemployment rate back down below 8 percent.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


AGAIN, CARTER HAD 9+ MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS GROWTH IN 4 YEARS VERSUS 14 MILLION FOR REAGAN'S 8

Jan 1979 65,636,000
Jan 1981 74,677,000

INCREASE OF 9,041,000 Total private IN 4 YEARS

Jan 1981 74,677,000
Jan 1989 89,394,000

14,717,00 Total private IN 8 YEARS

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Reagan dropped unemployment, inflation, interest rates and the USSR

its crushing communism that really causes the left wing nut cases to hate him

It's odd that the people who were liberated from Communism love Reagan. Our Progressives who never lived under it and think it's cool, hate Reagan

 

[Yarddog]

Ronald Reagan Myth Doesn't Square with Reality

Ronald Reagan Myth Doesn t Square with Reality - CBS News

you poor dear. Your hate is duly noted. now go take it somewhere else
the people around you must be so proud of how much hate you can spread

How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan

With the Gipper's reputation flagging after Clinton, neoconservatives launched a stealthy campaign to remake him as a "great" president.

The myth of Ronald Reagan was already looming in the spring of 1997 — when a highly popular President Bill Clinton was launching his second-term, pre-Monica Lewinsky, and the Republican brand seemed at low ebb. But what neoconservative activist Grover Norquist and his allies proposed that spring was virtually unheard of — an active, mapped-out, audacious campaign to spread a distorted vision of Reagan’s legacy across America.

The below-average rating by the historians for Reagan, coming right on the heels of Clintons’ easy reelection victory, was a wake-up call for these people who came to Washington in the 1980s as the shock troops of a revolution and now saw everything slipping away.

How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan - Salon.com

if Reagan was a myth, then the Russians fell for it. They just gave up after bankrupting themselves in the arms race but they believed reagan would never hold back millitaraly. Had Carter still been in there they would have had their way with him. thats why Liberals hate reagan, their not willing to give any credit for a thing. Had the wall come down under Carter, it would have been an American holiday every year.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Only diehard Communists hate Reagan

 

[JoeB131]

Carter ruined the olympic dreams of hundreds of Americans

So? What was he supposed to do, let the athletes go to Moscow like everything was okay?

 

[JoeB131]

if Reagan was a myth, then the Russians fell for it. They just gave up after bankrupting themselves in the arms race but they believed reagan would never hold back millitaraly. Had Carter still been in there they would have had their way with him. thats why Liberals hate reagan, their not willing to give any credit for a thing. Had the wall come down under Carter, it would have been an American holiday every year.

That's crap. The fall of the Soviet Union had been predicted by MANY political scientists long before Reagan got there.

Predictions of the dissolution of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to U.S. President Jimmy Carter, predicted the dissolution of the Soviet Union on several occasions. In a 2006 interview, Brzezinski stated that in his 1950 master's thesis (which has not been published) he argued that "the Soviet Union was pretending to be a single state but in fact it was a multinational empire in the age of nationalism. So the Soviet Union would break up."[19]

 

[JoeB131]

its crushing communism that really causes the left wing nut cases to hate him

Except that he didn't "Crush" Communism. The USSR was doing very well when he left the White House in an early Alzheimer's fugue in January 1989.

The Department of Defense was still publishing big glossy presentations about how the USSR was still really, really dangerous with these colorful pictures of their military hardware and presense around the world.

No, what brought down the USSR was that Gorbachev tried to reform the system and couldn't. And when his own military tried to topple him, the whole roof fell in. NOthing to do with Reagan.

 

[JoeB131]

It's odd that the people who were liberated from Communism love Reagan. Our Progressives who never lived under it and think it's cool, hate Reagan

Not sure who these people are, exactly. I know a lot of immigrants from that country who came here because the places turned to shit after Communism fell, and they talk about the Communists like the good old days.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's odd that the people who were liberated from Communism love Reagan. Our Progressives who never lived under it and think it's cool, hate Reagan

Not sure who these people are, exactly. I know a lot of immigrants from that country who came here because the places turned to shit after Communism fell, and they talk about the Communists like the good old days.

Sure, Joe. Sure.

Birds of a feather.

The Soviet Emigres I meet bless Reagan for setting them free (there are Reagan statues all over Eastern Europe) and say American Liberals are the stupidest fucks on the planet for worshiping Communism

 

[CrusaderFrank]

its crushing communism that really causes the left wing nut cases to hate him

Except that he didn't "Crush" Communism. The USSR was doing very well when he left the White House in an early Alzheimer's fugue in January 1989.

The Department of Defense was still publishing big glossy presentations about how the USSR was still really, really dangerous with these colorful pictures of their military hardware and presense around the world.

No, what brought down the USSR was that Gorbachev tried to reform the system and couldn't. And when his own military tried to topple him, the whole roof fell in. NOthing to do with Reagan.

Turtle you nailed it! Look at how batshit crazy it makes our American USSR lovers

 

[Iceweasel]

LOL, You have got to grow up and grow a brain Bubba. Worse than selling arms to terrorists ? lol

IRS? ANOTHER Faux scandal

The faux is between your ears and you apparently know nothing about the arms deal.

 

[Iceweasel]

"But revenues went up"

Real revenues under Reagan fell for a number of years and lagged behind GDP. There was no relative increase at all.

However, Reagan raised taxes a number of times which offset the damage to revenues of his tax cuts to the rich.

Libs are liars and play games with words. He raised taxes a bit after coming down a lot. How fucking hard is that? We either believe nuts on the internet like you or our lives for those of us who were there.

Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics Facts And Figures - Forbes
In February 2009 I wrote an article for The Wall Street Journal entitled “Reaganomics v Obamanomics,” which argued that the emerging outlines of President Obama’s economic policies were following in close detail exactly the opposite of President Reagan’s economic policies. As a result, I predicted that Obamanomics would have the opposite results of Reaganomics. That prediction seems to be on track.

When President Reagan entered office in 1981, he faced actually much worse economic problems than President Obama faced in 2009. Three worsening recessions starting in 1969 were about to culminate in the worst of all in 1981-1982, with unemployment soaring into double digits at a peak of 10.8%. At the same time America suffered roaring double-digit inflation, with the CPI registering at 11.3% in 1979 and 13.5% in 1980 (25% in two years). The Washington establishment at the time argued that this inflation was now endemic to the American economy, and could not be stopped, at least not without a calamitous economic collapse.

All of the above was accompanied by double -igit interest rates, with the prime rate peaking at 21.5% in 1980. The poverty rate started increasing in 1978, eventually climbing by an astounding 33%, from 11.4% to 15.2%. A fall in real median family income that began in 1978 snowballed to a decline of almost 10% by 1982. In addition, from 1968 to 1982, the Dow Jones industrial average lost 70% of its real value, reflecting an overall collapse of stocks.

President Reagan campaigned on an explicitly articulated, four-point economic program to reverse this slow motion collapse of the American economy:

1. Cut tax ratesto restore incentives for economic growth, which was implemented first with a reduction in the top income tax rate of 70% down to 50%, and then a 25% across-the-board reduction in income tax rates for everyone. The 1986 tax reform then reduced tax rates further, leaving just two rates, 28% and 15%.

2. Spending reductions, including a $31 billion cut in spending in 1981, close to 5% of the federal budget then, or the equivalent of about $175 billion in spending cuts for the year today. In constant dollars, nondefense discretionary spending declined by 14.4% from 1981 to 1982, and by 16.8% from 1981 to 1983. Moreover, in constant dollars, this nondefense discretionary spending never returned to its 1981 level for the rest of Reagan’s two terms! Even with the Reagan defense buildup, which won the Cold War without firing a shot, total federal spending declined from a high of 23.5% of GDP in 1983 to 21.3% in 1988 and 21.2% in 1989. That’s a real reduction in the size of government relative to the economy of 10%.

3. Anti-inflation monetary policy restraining money supply growth compared to demand, to maintain a stronger, more stable dollar value.

4. Deregulation, which saved consumers an estimated $100 billion per year in lower prices. Reagan’s first executive order, in fact, eliminated price controls on oil and natural gas. Production soared, and aided by a strong dollar the price of oil declined by more than 50%.

These economic policies amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.

During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

The shocking rise in inflation during the Nixon and Carter years was reversed. Astoundingly, inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%. It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%, never to be heard from again until recently. The contractionary, tight-money policies needed to kill this inflation inexorably created the steep recession of 1981 to 1982, which is why Reagan did not suffer politically catastrophic blame for that recession.

Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years. The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak. The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade.

In The End of Prosperity, supply side guru Art Laffer and Wall Street Journal chief financial writer Steve Moore point out that this Reagan recovery grew into a 25-year boom, with just slight interruptions by shallow, short recessions in 1990 and 2001. They wrote:

We call this period, 1982-2007, the twenty-five year boom–the greatest period of wealth creation in the history of the planet. In 1980, the net worth–assets minus liabilities–of all U.S. households and business … was $25 trillion in today’s dollars. By 2007, … net worth was just shy of $57 trillion. Adjusting for inflation, more wealth was created in America in the twenty-five year boom than in the previous two hundred years.

What is so striking about Obamanomics is how it so doggedly pursues the opposite of every one of these planks of Reaganomics. Instead of reducing tax rates, President Obama is committed to raising the top tax rates of virtually every major federal tax. As already enacted into current law, in 2013 the top two income tax rates will rise by nearly 20%, counting as well Obama’s proposed deduction phase-outs.

 

[JoeB131]

Sure, Joe. Sure.

Birds of a feather.

The Soviet Emigres I meet bless Reagan for setting them free (there are Reagan statues all over Eastern Europe) and say American Liberals are the stupidest fucks on the planet for worshiping Communism

I don't see any Americans worshiping "communism".

Not giving Reagan credit for the bravery of people who stood up to tanks is not "worshiping" Communism.

THose are the guys you might want to credit for the fall of the USSR. Not some senile old Actor-Man who made a speech someone else wrote.

the thing is, the fall of the USSR had nothing to do with "communism" or Reagan. It had to do with the fact that 300 million non-Russians felt no desire to be ruled by Russians, and 150 million Russians no longer wanted to send their sons off to fight and die to rule them.