Reality sets in for Oregon governor

[Soggy in NOLA]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

Sad. People will be stuck making min wage so the CEO's can make millions off the workers backs.

You're only stuck if choose to be stuck.

Sure sure. Everyone has no kids,no rent,no bills so its SOOOO EASY to get a college education and get a good job...oh wait never mind now college educations aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Sorry but mine and my husbands paid off handsomely...with that said I don't care for taking care of people who don't have the motivation or desire to better themselves, if someone needs hand up that's fine but after about two years and you haven't done it you're on your own. Public assistance is not and was never meant to be a career. If you can't afford children don't have them, you're not being fair to them or yourself

They act like childbirth is an unstoppable force or something...

I avoided it like the plague for YEARS.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

but, all the same, every trash truck needs someone hanging off the back to empty the cans.

That is even automated... big old arms comes down, swoops up you can, dumps it and puts it back on the curb.

I read an article today about an automated warehouse, worked by robots, it runs 24 hours a day everyday...it out produces a warehouse the same size manned by humans by 800%

 

[Maryland Patriot]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

Sad. People will be stuck making min wage so the CEO's can make millions off the workers backs.

You're only stuck if choose to be stuck.

Sure sure. Everyone has no kids,no rent,no bills so its SOOOO EASY to get a college education and get a good job...oh wait never mind now college educations aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Uhm, I waited until I was in my senior year of college to get married and start a family. And my degree has helped me with a very lucrative career as a CPA and an ERP specialist. I mean, it's no basket weaving degree...

Hey!|
The world needs basket weavers too. What else are people going to put all their eggs in

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

Sad. People will be stuck making min wage so the CEO's can make millions off the workers backs.

You're only stuck if choose to be stuck.

Sure sure. Everyone has no kids,no rent,no bills so its SOOOO EASY to get a college education and get a good job...oh wait never mind now college educations aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Uhm, I waited until I was in my senior year of college to get married and start a family. And my degree has helped me with a very lucrative career as a CPA and an ERP specialist. I mean, it's no basket weaving degree...

Hey!|
The world needs basket weavers too. What else are people going to put all their eggs in

I know, right?

Hell, I started as psychology major, then B.A... after a little research neither paid very well. Looked up the trends in accounting/Computer science and BAM!!!

Kids have been sold a bill of goods that college degree = success. Do a little research before you essentially take on a mortgage so you can become a Druid Philosopher.. I thinkest you may be disappointed in the outcome.

 

[bripat9643]

again, wherever there is a decent minimum wage, businesses do better.

Not if it puts them out of business.

If you can't pay a decent wage in the US and make money, then you should go out of business, or find a new way of doing business.

Who sets the "decent wage", who is "owed" it, and why?

We the People. We have a government of the People.

In other words, the mob. What gives the mob that right?

 

[Iceweasel]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

Sad. People will be stuck making min wage so the CEO's can make millions off the workers backs.

You're only stuck if choose to be stuck.

Sure sure. Everyone has no kids,no rent,no bills so its SOOOO EASY to get a college education and get a good job...oh wait never mind now college educations aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Sorry but mine and my husbands paid off handsomely...with that said I don't care for taking care of people who don't have the motivation or desire to better themselves, if someone needs hand up that's fine but after about two years and you haven't done it you're on your own. Public assistance is not and was never meant to be a career. If you can't afford children don't have them, you're not being fair to them or yourself

They act like childbirth is an unstoppable force or something...

I avoided it like the plague for YEARS.

Bbbbbut libs let their genitals make the important decisions, it's not their fault it over powers them.

 

[NYcarbineer]

again, wherever there is a decent minimum wage, businesses do better.

Not if it puts them out of business.

If you can't pay a decent wage in the US and make money, then you should go out of business, or find a new way of doing business.

Who sets the "decent wage", who is "owed" it, and why?

We the People. We have a government of the People.

In other words, the mob. What gives the mob that right?

Who should rule?

A dictator? An oligarchy?

 

[NYcarbineer]

again, wherever there is a decent minimum wage, businesses do better.

Not if it puts them out of business.

If you can't pay a decent wage in the US and make money, then you should go out of business, or find a new way of doing business.

Who sets the "decent wage", who is "owed" it, and why?

We the People. We have a government of the People.

In other words, the mob. What gives the mob that right?

What makes you such a joke is that for all the amount of time you spend telling us what sort of government you don't like,

you never describe, in any semblance of coherent detail, what sort of government we should have .

 

[jillian]

Not if it puts them out of business.

If you can't pay a decent wage in the US and make money, then you should go out of business, or find a new way of doing business.

Who sets the "decent wage", who is "owed" it, and why?

We the People. We have a government of the People.

In other words, the mob. What gives the mob that right?

What makes you such a joke is that for all the amount of time you spend telling us what sort of government you don't like,

you never describe, in any semblance of coherent detail, what sort of government we should have .

He thinks he's Davy Crockett

 

[Preacher]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

Sad. People will be stuck making min wage so the CEO's can make millions off the workers backs.

You're only stuck if choose to be stuck.

Sure sure. Everyone has no kids,no rent,no bills so its SOOOO EASY to get a college education and get a good job...oh wait never mind now college educations aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Uhm, I waited until I was in my senior year of college to get married and start a family. And my degree has helped me with a very lucrative career as a CPA and an ERP specialist. I mean, it's no basket weaving degree...

And not everyone can do what you do or even wants to do what you do.

 

[Preacher]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

Sad. People will be stuck making min wage so the CEO's can make millions off the workers backs.

You're only stuck if choose to be stuck.

Sure sure. Everyone has no kids,no rent,no bills so its SOOOO EASY to get a college education and get a good job...oh wait never mind now college educations aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Sorry but mine and my husbands paid off handsomely...with that said I don't care for taking care of people who don't have the motivation or desire to better themselves, if someone needs hand up that's fine but after about two years and you haven't done it you're on your own. Public assistance is not and was never meant to be a career. If you can't afford children don't have them, you're not being fair to them or yourself

People I know WORK and HAVE WORKED since they were 16 and still need food stamps and medicaid etc. Companies need to pay more simple as that. A CEO does NOT deserve 50 times more pay than the worker making and selling the damn product. I don't give a shit WHAT JOB someone has it should pay a livable wage. My wife is a CNA and doesn't make enough money in this SHIT HOLE state.. She made about 2$ more in North Carolina but even then it was hard to make ends meet....it's a skill she had to LEARN,GET LICENSED FOR etc. Again it should be paid a living wage no matter the job. Not everyone is as blessed with the brains for college,the money for college or the support. I could not stand going to college it BORED me to death. I got a CDL and that was a big damn BUST. Again something I had to learn to do and get licensed and now have 9 years experience but can't find work....maybe NOW its because of my driving record but when I first got the license it was not. All around we were dealt a real bullshit hand and the world can kiss my ass for all I care. I yearn for the day the country fucking collapses on its self and of course we the poor will get the blame but not the rich asshole CEO'S making all the money for a lazy ass job. I HATE people who do better than I do because I DID bust my ass but I am happy now to sit back and take what I can and make the whole rotten structure collapse on its self. Simple as that. I did what I was told was the way to success. LEARN A SKILL. Yep did that. Worked real well NOT! So now live by my own rules. Do WHATEVER it takes to get what I WANT AND NEED. No matter WHO gets in the way or gets hurt by it as long as me and mine survive.I didn't cause this problem I am merely expected to DEAL WITH IT by those that created the god damn problem.

 

[kiwiman127]

I'm all for raising the minimum wage. It's ripple effect helps the middle class according to everyone from Brookings Institute to the Cato Institute. And that group needs a pay raise desperately after over 35 years of flat wage growth. The working class knows this, thus the over 70% support for raising the minimum wage.
However, $15 is way too large of a jump. I would expect any employer would have a very rough time adjusting their budgeting. That kind of jump would definitely cause inflation and unemployment.
Factual history shows that raising the minimum wage gradually has had a minimal effect on inflation, unemployment and has no ill effects on the economy. It does have a positive effect, as it increases consumer spending, which is good for businesses.

What do righties think minimum wage earners will do with this extra cash? Put it in savings? Play the stock market? Gamble? They will put it back into the economy by buying goods and services.

Not when less of them are working as a result.

That is conjecture and remains to be seen. Most min wage earners are still stuck at $7.25/hr. Let's not forget that Walmart puts out donation bins for their employees every holiday and many of them are on SNAP cards and welfare. Who pays for that?

So punish the successful??

Who had held wages to flat growth? The unsuccessful?
Up until the 80's, companies reward their workers high productivity which contributed greatly to the companies profits. Then things changed. The money stayed at the top. CEO's bonuses grew to the outlandish sums that they are now.
Is the phenomena good for the US economy? No! You'd be very hard pressed to find any economist that doesn't believe that the flat wage growth which has lead to record inequality has hurt our economies stability.
In 1980, the American middle class was the wealthiest middle class in the world, now the US middle class is ranked 19th.
Middle class Americans: Not so wealthy by global standards
Where Does the World's Wealthiest Middle Class Live?

Other countries’ middle class incomes have grown since 2000. The United States’ has not. Look at the European middle classes income growth compared to the US.
CHANGE IN MEDIAN
INCOME SINCE 2000
COUNTRY
Britain-19.7
Canada-19.7
Ireland-16.2
Netherlands-13.9
Spain-4.1
Germany-1.4
United States-0.3
Tell me this is good for the US economy, tell me this is good for you and your future generations. Come on, tell me!

 

[bripat9643]

Bernie don't know jack shit about reality after all he's a career politician...
They are only accustomed to taking...

Still, you guys make it miserable for American Workers every chance you get. You worship the greedy Corporate Fatcats, while hating & abusing the least fortunate among us. How do you guys live with yourselves? Maybe it is time for someone like ole Bernie? You guys need to be reigned in. You're out of control.

Life is not an charity, never was meant to be.
Now go hide..

Ha, and most of you greedy white Republican dudes consider yourselves 'Good Christians.' Jesus fed and clothed the least fortunate among him. He didn't turn his back on them because he didn't see monetary profit in it. Y'all greedy folks need to attend some 'Come to Jesus' meetings. I think it'll really help.

Silly man, the Bible condemns laziness. You loons think Jesus was some Socialist and you couldn't be further from the truth

And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth

Jesus didn't feed, clothe, and heal the least fortunate among him for monetary profit. He did it because they needed the help.

So what's your point? Are you saying no one should be allowed to make a profit?

 

[bripat9643]

I'm all for raising the minimum wage. It's ripple effect helps the middle class according to everyone from Brookings Institute to the Cato Institute. And that group needs a pay raise desperately after over 35 years of flat wage growth. The working class knows this, thus the over 70% support for raising the minimum wage.
However, $15 is way too large of a jump. I would expect any employer would have a very rough time adjusting their budgeting. That kind of jump would definitely cause inflation and unemployment.
Factual history shows that raising the minimum wage gradually has had a minimal effect on inflation, unemployment and has no ill effects on the economy. It does have a positive effect, as it increases consumer spending, which is good for businesses.

What do righties think minimum wage earners will do with this extra cash? Put it in savings? Play the stock market? Gamble? They will put it back into the economy by buying goods and services.

Not when less of them are working as a result.

That is conjecture and remains to be seen. Most min wage earners are still stuck at $7.25/hr. Let's not forget that Walmart puts out donation bins for their employees every holiday and many of them are on SNAP cards and welfare. Who pays for that?

So punish the successful??

Who had held wages to flat growth? The unsuccessful?
Up until the 80's, companies reward their workers high productivity which contributed greatly to the companies profits. Then things changed. The money stayed at the top. CEO's bonuses grew to the outlandish sums that they are now.
Is the phenomena good for the US economy? No! You'd be very hard pressed to find any economist that doesn't believe that the flat wage growth which has lead to record inequality has hurt our economies stability.
In 1980, the American middle class was the wealthiest middle class in the world, now the US middle class is ranked 19th.
Middle class Americans: Not so wealthy by global standards
Where Does the World's Wealthiest Middle Class Live?

Other countries’ middle class incomes have grown since 2000. The United States’ has not. Look at the European middle classes income growth compared to the US.
CHANGE IN MEDIAN
INCOME SINCE 2000
COUNTRY
Britain-19.7
Canada-19.7
Ireland-16.2
Netherlands-13.9
Spain-4.1
Germany-1.4
United States-0.3
Tell me this is good for the US economy, tell me this is good for you and your future generations. Come on, tell me!

You can thank the Dim policy of opening the floodgates to cheap imported labor for that problem

 

[bripat9643]

One thing i've learned in my years of observing angry greedy white Republican dude...

When he's bitchin & moanin, it means American Workers must be doing pretty good. It's when he's quiet, you have to worry. When he's quiet, that means American Workers are being completely flucked. Ole Bernie Sanders has em spooked. And that's a good thing. Someone's gotta keep em in check. Maybe Bernie is the man?

Only a loon supports Sanders and his pixie dust promises

Well, he's got you greedy folks pretty spooked. And in my experience, that's a good thing. It means he's standing up for American Workers. It's when you guys aren't bitchin & moanin, is the time to worry.

Sanders does not "spook" me. Will you assholes stop with your infantile projecting already? Three of you have tried it in this thread alone and promptly got bish slapped over it. Just stop

Nah, he's got you greedy folks really worked up. And i see that as a good thing. It means he's standing up for American Workers. You guys have had free reign for far too long. You've completely flucked struggling American Workers. Maybe it is time for Bernie.

The guy who wants to open the floodgates to cheap imported labor is "standing up for struggling American workers?"

You're joking, right?

 

[bripat9643]

One thing i've learned in my years of observing angry greedy white Republican dude...

When he's bitchin & moanin, it means American Workers must be doing pretty good. It's when he's quiet, you have to worry. When he's quiet, that means American Workers are being completely flucked. Ole Bernie Sanders has em spooked. And that's a good thing. Someone's gotta keep em in check. Maybe Bernie is the man?

Only a loon supports Sanders and his pixie dust promises

Well, he's got you greedy folks pretty spooked. And in my experience, that's a good thing. It means he's standing up for American Workers. It's when you guys aren't bitchin & moanin, is the time to worry.

Sanders does not "spook" me. Will you assholes stop with your infantile projecting already? Three of you have tried it in this thread alone and promptly got bish slapped over it. Just stop

He should spook you. Everyone should experience a chill running down their backs at the prospect of President Sanders.

 

[bripat9643]

Not if it puts them out of business.

If you can't pay a decent wage in the US and make money, then you should go out of business, or find a new way of doing business.

Who sets the "decent wage", who is "owed" it, and why?

We the People. We have a government of the People.

In other words, the mob. What gives the mob that right?

Who should rule?

A dictator? An oligarchy?

No one. Not being ruled is a concept you just can't cope with, isn't it?

 

[bripat9643]

Not if it puts them out of business.

If you can't pay a decent wage in the US and make money, then you should go out of business, or find a new way of doing business.

Who sets the "decent wage", who is "owed" it, and why?

We the People. We have a government of the People.

In other words, the mob. What gives the mob that right?

What makes you such a joke is that for all the amount of time you spend telling us what sort of government you don't like,

you never describe, in any semblance of coherent detail, what sort of government we should have .

You keep calling me an anarchist, and then you ask me what kind of government I want. Do you understand the meaning of the word "anarchist?"

 

[bripat9643]

I remember the good old days when we had Usery Laws and they could not charge more than 10% interest and ALL INTEREST WE PAID WAS TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Those "good old days" were called the Middle Ages, and there's hardly anything good about living on the edge of starvation your entire life.

 

[bripat9643]

Tax expenditures equals "Tax Write offs", in other words, have a FLAT progressive tax rate, and not have all of these things that are deductible through the long form.... maybe a lower "progressive tax rate" where everyone is treated the same as far as not having all of these things that can be written off to lower their tax rate

How do you determine what tax Ford Motor Company is supposed to pay?