Recording of trump pressuring Wayne County repubs not to certify 2020 election surfaces.

[martybegan]

Nope. The electors were never certified by the state, nor signed by the governor.
.. they hid what they were doing with their fake electors.

By presenting themselves as alternative electors out in the open for everyone to see?

How is that "hiding"?

Did they say they were Biden electors?

 

[martybegan]

Political hearsay, my ass!!!

Heresy. spell check sucks.

 

[Marener]

It would if it decided the vote results were fraudulent and selected Trump's slate of electors instead of Biden's.

They didn’t, so it’s irrelevant.

 

[martybegan]

They didn’t, so it’s irrelevant.

It's 100% relevant, it goes to intent and motive, which are key parts of any supposed crime.

 

[Marener]

It's 100% relevant, it goes to intent and motive, which are key parts of any supposed crime.

No it doesn’t. They were perfectly aware that the legislature had not overridden the voters.

 

[martybegan]

No it doesn’t. They were perfectly aware that the legislature had not overridden the voters.

They were giving the legislature the choice to take action on accused fraud.

 

[Marener]

They were giving the legislature the choice to take action on accused fraud.

Meaningless. The legislature has no need for anyone to “give them the choice“. Furthermore, when they tried to submit votes to Mike Pence, they were perfectly aware that the legislature hadn’t taken action.

Pennsylvania changed the language to indicate that they weren’t the duly chosen electors, but others didn’t which is where the fraud comes in.

 

[martybegan]

Meaningless. The legislature has no need for anyone to “give them the choice“. Furthermore, when they tried to submit votes to Mike Pence, they were perfectly aware that the legislature hadn’t taken action.

Pennsylvania changed the language to indicate that they weren’t the duly chosen electors, but others didn’t which is where the fraud comes in.

Then it's up to Pence to reject them.

 

[Marener]

Then it's up to Pence to reject them.

If a person votes illegally, it’s fraud even when the state rejects the vote.

The fake electors voted illegally. Pence did reject them but it doesn’t change the fact that they were fraudulent.

 

[martybegan]

If a person votes illegally, it’s fraud even when the state rejects the vote.

The fake electors voted illegally. Pence did reject them but it doesn’t change the fact that they were fraudulent.

This isn't personal voting, it's EC voting. The laws for placing an individual vote don't apply.

 

[Marener]

This isn't personal voting, it's EC voting. The laws for placing an individual vote don't apply.

So it’s okay when you do it.

It’s still fraud. Fraud is fraud whether it’s successful or not. That’s the law.

 

[martybegan]

So it’s okay when you do it.

It’s still fraud. Fraud is fraud whether it’s successful or not. That’s the law.

It's not fraud when they were doing it out in the open for everyone to see.

 

[Marener]

It's not fraud when they were doing it out in the open for everyone to see.

Fraud is fraud even when everyone can see it.

 

[martybegan]

Fraud is fraud even when everyone can see it.

Fraud involves deception, they did what they did out in the open and documented it.

This was a challenge to a perceived fraudulent election. The challenge failed.

Now your side wants to criminalize and politicize any form of dissent like this, like the good wibble authoritarians you are.

 

[Marener]

Fraud involves deception, they did what they did out in the open and documented it.

This was a challenge to a perceived fraudulent election. The challenge failed.

Now your side wants to criminalize and politicize any form of dissent like this, like the good wibble authoritarians you are.

They did engage in deception by saying they were the duly elected and qualified electors. They documented their deception.

This is not a challenge. It’s not dissent.

It’s fraud.

 

[martybegan]

They did engage in deception by saying they were the duly elected and qualified electors. They documented their deception.

This is not a challenge. It’s not dissent.

It’s fraud.

It is a challenge to what they thought was a fraudulent election. They believed Trump had the most valid votes.

They did it in the open, for all to see. Not Fraud.

 

[Marener]

It is a challenge to what they thought was a fraudulent election. They believed Trump had the most valid votes.

They did it in the open, for all to see. Not Fraud.

They don’t get to pretend to be electors based on their own personal beliefs. No one made them electors. The results had been certified for the Biden electors. They knew this. They pretended to be electors anyway.

Pretending you won the election isn’t a challenge. There’s no legal process there. It’s just fraud.

 

[berg80]

Trump Pressured Wayne County Republicans To Not Certify Joe Biden's 2020 Win: Report

Former President Donald Trump personally pressured two Republican canvassers in Wayne County, Michigan to not sign the certification of the 2020 presidential election declaring Joe Biden's win, according to recordings reviewed by The Detroit News and revealed publicly on Thursday. Trump made the...

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This man is a danger to democracy. He has used Mafia type pressure to intimidate election officials in multiple states.

Put yourself in the twisted mindset of Cult 45er's. They can't conceptualize of Trump doing anything wrong. They are able to rationalize everything by way of the following. Claims that "they" are out to get him, the system is corrupt, he had total immunity, he did nothing wrong, it was deep state sabotage, he was ignorant of the law, abject denial, Article II, the 1st A, and excuses that have not been made yet.

 

[berg80]

It is a challenge to what they thought was a fraudulent election. They believed Trump had the most valid votes.

They did it in the open, for all to see. Not Fraud.

As we know, Trump was made aware of the fact he lost the election shortly after it ended. Delusional beliefs to the contrary do not excuse violations of law.

 

[martybegan]

They don’t get to pretend to be electors based on their own personal beliefs. No one made them electors. The results had been certified for the Biden electors. They knew this. They pretended to be electors anyway.

Pretending you won the election isn’t a challenge. There’s no legal process there. It’s just fraud.

They were electors, just not electors as per the balloting.

It being a legal process was a question at the time.