“Redistribute the wealth”

[Markle]

You don’t take from the rich and give to the poor

But why do we continue programs that help the wealthy while we cut back on programs that help working Americans ?

The problem with Ben Franklin's Quote is it doesn't really factor in that wealth is primary determined by intelligence and abilities people are born with, not by how hard they work. I know a lot of minimum wage workers, working two minimum wage jobs just to make ends meet who would be considered "slow" by most people and not very bright who struggle on two jobs to survive. Some are living out of broken down trailers with no heat or air conditioning. These are workers who in fact need food stamps and government help badly. They need more provisions from the government not less. Its not like if we take away their government assistant all of sudden their IQ will go up and they will all of sudden be able to handle jobs that pay a lot better, they will just end up a lot poorer without the government assistance.

In college in one of my Accounting classes I had a professor tell this fact to the students. The huge myth he said is that hard work gets you somewhere in life, a lot of it is how smart you are and learning ways to work smarter not harder. Intelligence is biologically determined and can't changed. So what do we do with those slow learners who will always struggle to survive on what they make, they will need government assistance to survive, working harder wouldn't be good enough and not make a huge impact.

According to a far left Progressive instructor. What a laugh!

If what your prof. said is true, when then did those on welfare and unemployment drop like a rock when the 1996 Welfare Reform Act went into effect which required people to either work or be in classes to advance their education to get their GED or technical training?

Then, when failed former President Barack Hussein Obama's failed stimulus plan required that states drop that requirement if they were to receive Stimulus money the numbers of people on welfare and food stamps skyrocketed?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So why should I give a shit about kids that are not mine? Do you know how much I spend on kids that aren't mine?

Food stamps, local schools which run me thousands a year, school lunch programs, daycare, SCHIPS, Medicaid, and the list goes on and on.

So don't give me this BS about 10 cents a month. If you are in a room with 16 other people, two of those 16 are being fed by the other 14.

Trump wants to build a wall on the southern border. What he's asking for is half of what we spend on food stamps every year. And you know what? The Democrats stopped him because they said it costs too much.

And yes, I did offer a solution: anybody applying for federal aid needs to be fixed first before receiving one dime.

Ah god. What a nightmare of a post. You’re a selfish, dumb piece of shit. Hey here’s a fun fact for you: when you were a kid, adults paid for your schooling and other government ran services. Gasp! You haven’t thought of that? Wow. Yeah I’m not surprised. You’re a mooch who won’t give anything back.

ROFLMAO

This shit coming from an ignorant regressive that started a conversation, where absolutely nothing is objective, no terms are defined, so no one is on the same page. Do you try to talk football with people who have no concept of the game or it's rules?

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Oh Christ. I’ve given you all multiple facts and you haven’t given me one fact or statistic. Do you feel you’re too dumb to present facts? I guess that must be it.

You've done nothing but throw around multiple subjective terms, the only thing you actually defined is food groups, and that's only because it's available on the USDA web site. You're just throwing meaningless regressive terms that you've been brainwashed into parroting, without ever knowing what they actually mean.

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Every fact I’ve given you about the minimum wage have been actual facts. I know you don’t understand what facts are, but eventually you’ll have to get used to seeing them.

If they are actual facts, they would have been accompanied with links.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You don’t take from the rich and give to the poor

But why do we continue programs that help the wealthy while we cut back on programs that help working Americans ?

What programs have been cut

 

[rightwinger]

You don’t take from the rich and give to the poor

But why do we continue programs that help the wealthy while we cut back on programs that help working Americans ?

What programs have been cut

Obamacare, SCHIP, student aid

 

[Hiryuu]

I’ve never understood what that phrase really means. There is never an explanation on how to do it.

Republicans of course automatically assume the extreme which is that the wealth would be radically distributed among the entire population which would eliminate the wealthy class of America and thus end capitalism as we know it. However, no prominent progressive has EVER suggested this. The issue on the left is the rising inequality between the middle class and wealthy class. We aren’t suggesting some naive, theoretical utopia where everyone lives off the same wealth regardless of their contribution to society and lives happily ever after. Republicans just assume that’s what lefties mean when we talk about wealth inequality because it makes for a convenient argument. It makes dismissing the leftwing ideology easy.

Of course, what lefties actually want to do is simply narrow the gap so that anyone working 40 hours a week doesn’t have to live in poverty. That’s it. That’s all lefties care about. In this current economy, that is impossible for 10s of millions of people. Why is that impossible? Because the top 3 richest people in the country own more wealth than the bottom 50% of workers.

Again, I’ll admit I don’t know how it should be done, but it needs to be done. Radical change is necessary. The last time someone could comfortably live off $10 per hour was in the 1960’s.

In 2013, the number of Americans earning the Federal Minimum Wage of $7.25 (or less) an hour was 3.3 million. The number of millionaires is 4.4 times that at an estimated 14,814,453. The minimum will never put someone at the top of their earning potential.

 

[expat_panama]

... An employer will only pay someone $15.25 per hour if that employee can produce more than $15.25 per hour in profit. Otherwise the employee gets sacked and the employer finds someone else who can.

...I march into my employer or supervisors office and demand a raise, he has two choices...

If you create $14 per hour of profit and the employer pays you $15 per hour he's no longer an employer, he's a phylanthropist giving you $1 per hour for nothing. He will stop giving away money for nothing when he has no more money to give.

Related:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @Ocasio2018

US House candidate, NY-14
The restaurant I used to work at is closing its doors.​

Ocasio-Cortez Mourns Restaurant Driven Out Of Business By Minimum Wage Law She Backs​

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

... An employer will only pay someone $15.25 per hour if that employee can produce more than $15.25 per hour in profit. Otherwise the employee gets sacked and the employer finds someone else who can.

...I march into my employer or supervisors office and demand a raise, he has two choices...

If you create $14 per hour of profit and the employer pays you $15 per hour he's no longer an employer, he's a phylanthropist giving you $1 per hour for nothing. He will stop giving away money for nothing when he has no more money to give.

Related:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @Ocasio2018

US House candidate, NY-14
The restaurant I used to work at is closing its doors.​

Ocasio-Cortez Mourns Restaurant Driven Out Of Business By Minimum Wage Law She Backs​

Well, he’s going to have to give it to somebody. Either that or he’ll have to do what a lot of other businesses would do and move out of the country.


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[Skull Pilot]

You don’t take from the rich and give to the poor

But why do we continue programs that help the wealthy while we cut back on programs that help working Americans ?

What programs have been cut

Obamacare, SCHIP, student aid

Are these real cuts or just lower increases than planned?

We all know how you people think a less than expected increase is a cut.

And the fed should not be giving student aid

 

[Wyatt earp]

... An employer will only pay someone $15.25 per hour if that employee can produce more than $15.25 per hour in profit. Otherwise the employee gets sacked and the employer finds someone else who can.

...I march into my employer or supervisors office and demand a raise, he has two choices...

If you create $14 per hour of profit and the employer pays you $15 per hour he's no longer an employer, he's a phylanthropist giving you $1 per hour for nothing. He will stop giving away money for nothing when he has no more money to give.

Related:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @Ocasio2018

US House candidate, NY-14
The restaurant I used to work at is closing its doors.​

Ocasio-Cortez Mourns Restaurant Driven Out Of Business By Minimum Wage Law She Backs​

If you create $14 per hour of profit and the employer pays you $15 per hour he's no longer an employer, he's a phylanthropist giving you $1 per hour for nothing. He will stop giving away money for nothing when he has no more money to give.


Good post and great choice of words to describe it...

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[danielpalos]

We could be simplifying government and lowering our tax burden with modern left wing policies,

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We could be simplifying government and lowering our tax burden with modern left wing policies,

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

IOW you want to be paid for not working

 

[ScorpioRising007]

... An employer will only pay someone $15.25 per hour if that employee can produce more than $15.25 per hour in profit. Otherwise the employee gets sacked and the employer finds someone else who can.

...I march into my employer or supervisors office and demand a raise, he has two choices...

If you create $14 per hour of profit and the employer pays you $15 per hour he's no longer an employer, he's a phylanthropist giving you $1 per hour for nothing. He will stop giving away money for nothing when he has no more money to give.

Related:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @Ocasio2018

US House candidate, NY-14
The restaurant I used to work at is closing its doors.​

Ocasio-Cortez Mourns Restaurant Driven Out Of Business By Minimum Wage Law She Backs​

A problem of raising minimum wage I have heard is it may put businesses out work and cut profits and raise unemployment.

Well a better solution I have heard is to have the government pay the employee the difference per hour so he still is making 15hr. So let's say employee A makes only 8hr at Burger King. Burger king pays still just 8hr to employee but the government gives that employee an extra 7hr for each hour he works so he can make 15hr. The government pays for this by simply raising taxes.

A brillant solution in my opinion that we need to implement in USA.

 

[danielpalos]

We could be simplifying government and lowering our tax burden with modern left wing policies,

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

IOW you want to be paid for not working

Employment is at will in our at-will employment States.

 

[Billy000]

Every fact I’ve given you about the minimum wage have been actual facts. I know you don’t understand what facts are, but eventually you’ll have to get used to seeing them.

If you know facts about the minimum wage, then share with us the average household income of a household where one of the workers earn the minimum wage.

How many households in the US are supported by only one worker earning minimum wage?

Come on my Progressive good friend, since you've boasted about knowing the facts about minimum wage, step up and show off!

How about I just tell you 42% of all workers in the US make less than 15 per hour? How many of those are part of families, do you think? After all we are talking nearly HALF of all workers. $15 isn’t even a state minimum wage. If, miraculously, all those workers got an education and learned new skills, who would be left to fill all those service jobs? After all, that’s mostly who those workers are.

Who makes less than $15 per hour? An explainer in 3 charts

I knew you wouldn't do it!

Lol we both know what I said here says it all.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We could be simplifying government and lowering our tax burden with modern left wing policies,

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

IOW you want to be paid for not working

Employment is at will in our at-will employment States.

Yes and if you choose not to work you don't get paid.

If you want to get paid get a job

 

[dblack]

... An employer will only pay someone $15.25 per hour if that employee can produce more than $15.25 per hour in profit. Otherwise the employee gets sacked and the employer finds someone else who can.

...I march into my employer or supervisors office and demand a raise, he has two choices...

If you create $14 per hour of profit and the employer pays you $15 per hour he's no longer an employer, he's a phylanthropist giving you $1 per hour for nothing. He will stop giving away money for nothing when he has no more money to give.

Related:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @Ocasio2018

US House candidate, NY-14
The restaurant I used to work at is closing its doors.​

Ocasio-Cortez Mourns Restaurant Driven Out Of Business By Minimum Wage Law She Backs​

A problem of raising minimum wage I have heard is it may put businesses out work and cut profits and raise unemployment.

Well a better solution I have heard is to have the government pay the employee the difference per hour so he still is making 15hr. So let's say employee A makes only 8hr at Burger King. Burger king pays still just 8hr to employee but the government gives that employee an extra 7hr for each hour he works so he can make 15hr. The government pays for this by simply raising taxes.

A brillant solution in my opinion that we need to implement in USA.

That would be a helluva a boon for people currently hiring min-wage employees. They could just set their wages to zero.

 

[danielpalos]

We could be simplifying government and lowering our tax burden with modern left wing policies,

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.

IOW you want to be paid for not working

Employment is at will in our at-will employment States.

Yes and if you choose not to work you don't get paid.

If you want to get paid get a job

What if I choose to work and can't get hired in a right to work State?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

... An employer will only pay someone $15.25 per hour if that employee can produce more than $15.25 per hour in profit. Otherwise the employee gets sacked and the employer finds someone else who can.

...I march into my employer or supervisors office and demand a raise, he has two choices...

If you create $14 per hour of profit and the employer pays you $15 per hour he's no longer an employer, he's a phylanthropist giving you $1 per hour for nothing. He will stop giving away money for nothing when he has no more money to give.

Related:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @Ocasio2018

US House candidate, NY-14
The restaurant I used to work at is closing its doors.​

Ocasio-Cortez Mourns Restaurant Driven Out Of Business By Minimum Wage Law She Backs​

A problem of raising minimum wage I have heard is it may put businesses out work and cut profits and raise unemployment.

Well a better solution I have heard is to have the government pay the employee the difference per hour so he still is making 15hr. So let's say employee A makes only 8hr at Burger King. Burger king pays still just 8hr to employee but the government gives that employee an extra 7hr for each hour he works so he can make 15hr. The government pays for this by simply raising taxes.

A brillant solution in my opinion that we need to implement in USA.

Paying people not to work is the problem in the first place. So where is a country 20 trillion dollars in debt supposed to get this money to subsidize these low wage workers?

 

[expat_panama]

...If you create $14 per hour of profit and the employer pays you $15 per hour he's no longer an employer, he's a philanthropist giving you $1 per hour for nothing. He will stop giving away money for nothing when he has no more money to give....

Well, he’s going to have to give it to somebody. Either that or he’ll have to do what a lot of other businesses would do and move out of the country....

--and a third choice is to elect a government that allows us to create wealth that the gov't won't confiscate. That's really how it works, because wealth creators only live in countries whose governments don't rob them.

 

[jasonnfree]

How about workers work to learn skills that afford them more worth to employers?

For what should they be given $15 per hour? Flipping a fry tray five times an hour?

If you work 40 hours a week at a wage that matches your skills, why should an employer pay you more?

If you cannot live on $10 per hour, isn't it your responsibility to improve your worth?

Okay, let’s pretend every low wage worker did this, who would be left behind to work those low wage jobs that are the backbone of the American work force? You might conveniently say teenagers, but the demand of jobs would greatly outnumber them and they would only work seasonally.

Matches your skill? So you think the only thing fast food workers do is dunk French fires? Have you ever been to a fast good restaurant? The workers have multiple roles to fill and it is non stop productivity until they leave. On top of that, they deal with the biggest asshole customers on the planet. Who decides what a wage is worth if the business owner makes every effort to minimize labor cost for the sake of profit?

And no, I don’t work fast food but I used to.

Same here. I didn't do fast food, but fry cook after working my way up from dishwasher. California around '61 and '62. Back then a guy could have a nice car and apartment on those wages. No more. We've had this constant redistribution of wealth from the working class to those at the top. The 1/2 of 1 percenters. Their gains go into the stratosphere evey time there are tax cuts like unto the reagan, bush jr. and trump tax cuts, and the peons have to tighten the belt. Make the old lady go to work, go into debt, and of course, debt with interest rates are very high now. Anything over 10% used to be usury. Payday loans would have been illegal back then. Lots have changed since then, especially with our congress critters working for the very wealthy and corporations. If they don't? They don't get their funding for reelection. The American people have only one hope, get money out of politics.