Renewables have won the race against coal

[BluesLegend]

The left don't hate fossil fuels. The left hates that they don't get to spend the PROFITS from fossil fuels like some other countries do. Maxine Waters in a congressional hearing with oil company executives threatened to socialize all their companies and have government take over and run them. Its the fossil fuel PROFITS these left wing assholes are after. This 'green' planet hugging crap is just a smoke screen.

You're a delusional neocon.

Stop lying you puke libtard, here's the video proof! OH SNAP you just got your ass whooped bad

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And are beginning to beat natural gas.
Renewables ‘have won the race’ against coal and are starting to beat natural gas

Think progress.

ROTFLMAO

 

[the other mike]

^The party poopers are back^

Australian study finds renewables ‘unequivocally’ lower-cost than coal - Institute for Energy Economics & Financial Analysis

Renewables May Prove Cheaper Than 96% of Coal Plants Worldwide by 2030

Renewable Energy Cheaper Than Coal And Gas Across Much Of The United States | Jeremy Deaton - Nexus Media

Even in Indiana, new renewables are cheaper than existing coal plants

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

^The party poopers are back^

Australian study finds renewables ‘unequivocally’ lower-cost than coal - Institute for Energy Economics & Financial Analysis

Renewables May Prove Cheaper Than 96% of Coal Plants Worldwide by 2030

Renewable Energy Cheaper Than Coal And Gas Across Much Of The United States | Jeremy Deaton - Nexus Media

Even in Indiana, new renewables are cheaper than existing coal plants

Those are lla pro-climate change groups doing their damndest to make pretty charts based on projections that have yet to occur.

A coal train from western KY rolls by my house about three times a day to power the coal plants that generate our electricity. Yesterday was a day with relatively no wind, dark clouds and rain all day. If I relied on solar power or wind, I would not be watching any television, typing on the web, and all my food would spoil.

 

[the other mike]

Those are lla pro-climate change groups doing their damndest to make pretty charts based on projections that have yet to occur.

A coal train from western KY rolls by my house about three times a day to power the coal plants that generate our electricity. Yesterday was a day with relatively no wind, dark clouds and rain all day. If I relied on solar power or wind, I would not be watching any television, typing on the web, and all my food would spoil.

Clueless old fool.

 

[Uncensored2008]

^The party poopers are back^

Australian study finds renewables ‘unequivocally’ lower-cost than coal - Institute for Energy Economics & Financial Analysis

Renewables May Prove Cheaper Than 96% of Coal Plants Worldwide by 2030

Renewable Energy Cheaper Than Coal And Gas Across Much Of The United States | Jeremy Deaton - Nexus Media

Even in Indiana, new renewables are cheaper than existing coal plants

Funny how your government is moving in to Africa and Venezuela....

http://www.iags.org/chinainafrica.pdf
Maduro and Venezuela's relationship to China, Russia, Turkey - CNN

 

[Uncensored2008]

^The party poopers are back^

Australian study finds renewables ‘unequivocally’ lower-cost than coal - Institute for Energy Economics & Financial Analysis

Renewables May Prove Cheaper Than 96% of Coal Plants Worldwide by 2030

Renewable Energy Cheaper Than Coal And Gas Across Much Of The United States | Jeremy Deaton - Nexus Media

Even in Indiana, new renewables are cheaper than existing coal plants

Those are lla pro-climate change groups doing their damndest to make pretty charts based on projections that have yet to occur.

A coal train from western KY rolls by my house about three times a day to power the coal plants that generate our electricity. Yesterday was a day with relatively no wind, dark clouds and rain all day. If I relied on solar power or wind, I would not be watching any television, typing on the web, and all my food would spoil.

The retards pushing the Wind and Solar failed to mention the cost of BUILDING solar panels, the fact that they only last 10 years, and the devastation the materials have on the actual environment.

But we know that environmentalists don't give a fuck about the environment, they never have.

The Chinese spy is hoping that America will cripple herself with this idiocy.

 

[baileyn45]

The problem with "estimates" with "renewables" is they are often based on potential. If the system ran 24/7. None of them do. I've only heard of the numbers coming out of China. If the "potential" energy is observed, it's phenomenal. Actual production not so much..

 

[the other mike]

Florida Power & Light’s Huge Solar-Plus-Storage System the ‘New Norm’ for Utilities

 

[martybegan]

Lots of opinion, very little facts.

Then name one and argue against it.

If the OP and the article doesn't bother with grounding their ideas in reality, it makes countering their blather meaningless.

Link an article with hard data and then it might be worth it to review and critique.

 

[martybegan]

And are beginning to beat natural gas.
Renewables ‘have won the race’ against coal and are starting to beat natural gas

Lots of opinion, very little facts.

Even for Thinkprogress.

BNEF analyzed pricing data from almost 7,000 power projects in 46 countries that span 20 energy technologies, including coal, gas, nuclear, battery storage, solar photovoltaics (PV), and wind.

Remove head from @$$!

No doubt they massaged the data a bit to make their point.

Peer review?

 

[the other mike]

If the OP and the article doesn't bother with grounding their ideas in reality,

From the OP....
....The cost of batteries has been declining so unexpectedly rapidly that renewables plus battery storage are now cheaper than even natural gas plants in many applications, according to a report released this week by Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF).

BNEF analyzed pricing data from almost 7,000 power projects in 46 countries that span 20 energy technologies, including coal, gas, nuclear, battery storage, solar photovoltaics (PV), and wind.

They report that electricity prices “for onshore wind, solar PV and offshore wind have fallen by 49 percent, 84 percent and 56 percent respectively since 2010.” Costs for lithium-ion battery storage have dropped 76 percent since 2012 — and plunged 35 percent in the past year alone.

But, as BNEF reports, batteries plus solar and wind “are starting to compete, in many markets and without subsidy,” with natural gas plants used for “dispatchable power” that can be delivered on demand when the grid needs it rather than only when the sun shines or wind blows.

The investment bank Credit Suisse emphasized the same trend in a report released last December. “Utility scale solar plus storage is already cheaper than gas peaker plants,” they reported at the time.

Historically, relatively inefficient natural gas plants have been used to provide peak power — for instance, during summer heat waves when everyone turns on the air conditioning and electricity demand soars. But those peaking power plants often run only tens of hours a year, which means you are paying for a power plant that sits idle more than 90 percent of the time.

Solar power, however, already provides most of its electricity during peak times, which are daytime and summertime. So, as batteries and solar power have plunged in price, the two working in tandem have increasingly become the preferred option for dispatchable peak power.

In places like California, where solar power has made significant market penetration, peak demand has actually shifted from midday to early evening, when the sun is setting. Solar with batteries that can store power for up to four hours can now also cover that new peak.

 

[toomuchtime_]

If the OP and the article doesn't bother with grounding their ideas in reality,

From the OP....
....The cost of batteries has been declining so unexpectedly rapidly that renewables plus battery storage are now cheaper than even natural gas plants in many applications, according to a report released this week by Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF).

BNEF analyzed pricing data from almost 7,000 power projects in 46 countries that span 20 energy technologies, including coal, gas, nuclear, battery storage, solar photovoltaics (PV), and wind.

They report that electricity prices “for onshore wind, solar PV and offshore wind have fallen by 49 percent, 84 percent and 56 percent respectively since 2010.” Costs for lithium-ion battery storage have dropped 76 percent since 2012 — and plunged 35 percent in the past year alone.

But, as BNEF reports, batteries plus solar and wind “are starting to compete, in many markets and without subsidy,” with natural gas plants used for “dispatchable power” that can be delivered on demand when the grid needs it rather than only when the sun shines or wind blows.

The investment bank Credit Suisse emphasized the same trend in a report released last December. “Utility scale solar plus storage is already cheaper than gas peaker plants,” they reported at the time.

Historically, relatively inefficient natural gas plants have been used to provide peak power — for instance, during summer heat waves when everyone turns on the air conditioning and electricity demand soars. But those peaking power plants often run only tens of hours a year, which means you are paying for a power plant that sits idle more than 90 percent of the time.

Solar power, however, already provides most of its electricity during peak times, which are daytime and summertime. So, as batteries and solar power have plunged in price, the two working in tandem have increasingly become the preferred option for dispatchable peak power.

In places like California, where solar power has made significant market penetration, peak demand has actually shifted from midday to early evening, when the sun is setting. Solar with batteries that can store power for up to four hours can now also cover that new peak.

If it is really true that renewables and batteries, not the only means of storing energy, are cheaper than natural gas, then no action by the government is necessary since the marketplace will transform the energy industry. Time to close up all those climate change shops.

 

[buckeye45_73]

If the OP and the article doesn't bother with grounding their ideas in reality,

From the OP....
....The cost of batteries has been declining so unexpectedly rapidly that renewables plus battery storage are now cheaper than even natural gas plants in many applications, according to a report released this week by Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF).

BNEF analyzed pricing data from almost 7,000 power projects in 46 countries that span 20 energy technologies, including coal, gas, nuclear, battery storage, solar photovoltaics (PV), and wind.

They report that electricity prices “for onshore wind, solar PV and offshore wind have fallen by 49 percent, 84 percent and 56 percent respectively since 2010.” Costs for lithium-ion battery storage have dropped 76 percent since 2012 — and plunged 35 percent in the past year alone.

But, as BNEF reports, batteries plus solar and wind “are starting to compete, in many markets and without subsidy,” with natural gas plants used for “dispatchable power” that can be delivered on demand when the grid needs it rather than only when the sun shines or wind blows.

The investment bank Credit Suisse emphasized the same trend in a report released last December. “Utility scale solar plus storage is already cheaper than gas peaker plants,” they reported at the time.

Historically, relatively inefficient natural gas plants have been used to provide peak power — for instance, during summer heat waves when everyone turns on the air conditioning and electricity demand soars. But those peaking power plants often run only tens of hours a year, which means you are paying for a power plant that sits idle more than 90 percent of the time.

Solar power, however, already provides most of its electricity during peak times, which are daytime and summertime. So, as batteries and solar power have plunged in price, the two working in tandem have increasingly become the preferred option for dispatchable peak power.

In places like California, where solar power has made significant market penetration, peak demand has actually shifted from midday to early evening, when the sun is setting. Solar with batteries that can store power for up to four hours can now also cover that new peak.

Good so in about 30 years, we might have a solution......keep up the good work.....just don't expect non millionaires to be for a vanity project.......

 

[the other mike]

 

[buckeye45_73]

If the OP and the article doesn't bother with grounding their ideas in reality,

From the OP....
....The cost of batteries has been declining so unexpectedly rapidly that renewables plus battery storage are now cheaper than even natural gas plants in many applications, according to a report released this week by Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF).

BNEF analyzed pricing data from almost 7,000 power projects in 46 countries that span 20 energy technologies, including coal, gas, nuclear, battery storage, solar photovoltaics (PV), and wind.

They report that electricity prices “for onshore wind, solar PV and offshore wind have fallen by 49 percent, 84 percent and 56 percent respectively since 2010.” Costs for lithium-ion battery storage have dropped 76 percent since 2012 — and plunged 35 percent in the past year alone.

But, as BNEF reports, batteries plus solar and wind “are starting to compete, in many markets and without subsidy,” with natural gas plants used for “dispatchable power” that can be delivered on demand when the grid needs it rather than only when the sun shines or wind blows.

The investment bank Credit Suisse emphasized the same trend in a report released last December. “Utility scale solar plus storage is already cheaper than gas peaker plants,” they reported at the time.

Historically, relatively inefficient natural gas plants have been used to provide peak power — for instance, during summer heat waves when everyone turns on the air conditioning and electricity demand soars. But those peaking power plants often run only tens of hours a year, which means you are paying for a power plant that sits idle more than 90 percent of the time.

Solar power, however, already provides most of its electricity during peak times, which are daytime and summertime. So, as batteries and solar power have plunged in price, the two working in tandem have increasingly become the preferred option for dispatchable peak power.

In places like California, where solar power has made significant market penetration, peak demand has actually shifted from midday to early evening, when the sun is setting. Solar with batteries that can store power for up to four hours can now also cover that new peak.

If it is really true that renewables and batteries, not the only means of storing energy, are cheaper than natural gas, then no action by the government is necessary since the marketplace will transform the energy industry. Time to close up all those climate change shops.

No shit, the private sector is coming through, who knew? And now lefties are claiming 12 years is not the end of the world, so we have time to let the private sector works its magic.....I feel great about this......

 

[the other mike]

What we're doing now is unsustainable.

 

[martybegan]

If the OP and the article doesn't bother with grounding their ideas in reality,

From the OP....
....The cost of batteries has been declining so unexpectedly rapidly that renewables plus battery storage are now cheaper than even natural gas plants in many applications, according to a report released this week by Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF).

BNEF analyzed pricing data from almost 7,000 power projects in 46 countries that span 20 energy technologies, including coal, gas, nuclear, battery storage, solar photovoltaics (PV), and wind.

They report that electricity prices “for onshore wind, solar PV and offshore wind have fallen by 49 percent, 84 percent and 56 percent respectively since 2010.” Costs for lithium-ion battery storage have dropped 76 percent since 2012 — and plunged 35 percent in the past year alone.

But, as BNEF reports, batteries plus solar and wind “are starting to compete, in many markets and without subsidy,” with natural gas plants used for “dispatchable power” that can be delivered on demand when the grid needs it rather than only when the sun shines or wind blows.

The investment bank Credit Suisse emphasized the same trend in a report released last December. “Utility scale solar plus storage is already cheaper than gas peaker plants,” they reported at the time.

Historically, relatively inefficient natural gas plants have been used to provide peak power — for instance, during summer heat waves when everyone turns on the air conditioning and electricity demand soars. But those peaking power plants often run only tens of hours a year, which means you are paying for a power plant that sits idle more than 90 percent of the time.

Solar power, however, already provides most of its electricity during peak times, which are daytime and summertime. So, as batteries and solar power have plunged in price, the two working in tandem have increasingly become the preferred option for dispatchable peak power.

In places like California, where solar power has made significant market penetration, peak demand has actually shifted from midday to early evening, when the sun is setting. Solar with batteries that can store power for up to four hours can now also cover that new peak.

Then they should be able to overtake the market on their own without the need for government assistance.

 

[Pilot1]

Wow, the lies from the Left are amazing. If wind and solar were efficient and could actually provide for our energy needs they wouldn't comprise only a few percent of the U.S. total energy sources.

 

[the other mike]

Wow, the lies from the Left are amazing. If wind and solar were efficient and could actually provide for our energy needs they wouldn't comprise only a few percent of the U.S. total energy sources.

Nobody is lying Shmedley Dunbar.
The OP article is about the economic tipping point where
investing in renewables has become a no-brainer. ( which should make it especially easy for you deniers to understand)