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After reflecting on that a bit, I have come to the conclusion that we on the right are too busy earning a living, taking care of our own future, and providing for ourselves and our loved ones to be all that passionate about politics and candidates and campaigns and such. And because we are the group that is much more willing to live and let live we tend to shrug and get on with our lives and don't get too concerned with those who hate us and everything we stand for.
And we may be doing ourselves harm. Look how much we have allowed the haters and leftwing media and opposing politicians, even in our own parties, to marginalize and demonize the Tea Party movement and similar grass roots effort for reform. Many who are personally sympathetic to Tea Party etc. ideals and goals for reform shy away from identifying with such groups or join with the opposition to criticize them.
And because we are that way, we are allowing 'them' to control the message, the agenda, and the direction the country is going.
They do care. It's not just the CEO, it's the entire Executive Chain, that is setting it's own salary in spite of stock holder wishes.Ayup... the CEO oligarchy over CEO pay in publicly traded companies needed to be ended a LONG time ago. The stockholders should have some say in the pay structure of it's executive chain.Ok I am going to state a case for a number of issues in the context of a platform for the presidential candidate. 2 a guy this is your thread and if you don't want it to go this way please tell me. You won't hurt my feelings. It feels like a cocoon here and it inspires thought instead of frustration. But viewer warning, some of my suggestions may be controversial. But I do not subscribe to the pigeonholing of people to certain categories, or the myth that leadership cannot bond diverse opinions together.
Minimum wage. I think the min wage should go to 10 an hour but I think neither the person or the business should pay any taxes to the govt for the first year. All the money would go to the worker and the business would not be handicapped by increased taxes. More,people,would be hired. Republicans would look good.
Free Trade. I know this will sound simplistic but Jim Cramer on squawk on the street said it so succinctly. Trade deals have not worked. We have entered into all these trade deals and we still have a huge trade deficit. Trade has not helped this country but benefitted our competitors. Just quit it and focus on jobs in this country. This is an attention getter.
Immigration. I have said this before. Document all the illegals and give them a card with a big red line in it. They can get a drivers license and work and don't have to look over their shoulder. No citizenship, they can get in line like everyone else. No benefits, no welfare, no food stamps, but no hassle. Militarize the border and no one gets in illegally. People,who don't follow this plan get sent back immediately without fail.
Ceo pay. I have not figured out a way to punish companies for outrageous reimbursement without stepping on people's rights, so I think this is a case that will have to be waged by jawboning. Public pressure will,have to be brought to bear and you know what, it doesn't cost anything. It is not anti-conservative to point out the obscenity that is ceo pay. Some may call this demagoguery but this is exhibit A for income inequality which republicans have to talk about. Don't get me wrong about this, I think individuals should be rewarded for their efforts or their inventions or their talents or success they bring to their companies, but executives should have the humility to recognize they didn't do it alone and their employees deserve a mentor not a king.
Republicans have to be realists. But it is time to be creative not rigid. Focus the campaign on what is best for America not just what is comfortable for the base. New and improved anyone?
Yeah, thanks non republican for putting that crap in.
But it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what a business pays their CEO. Did that ever occur to you?
If Chick Fil A or Sony wants to pay their CEO a million dollars an hour, that's their business AND NONE OF YOURS.
Welcome to a free country. People are free. Even to pay a CEO more than YOU think they are worth.
What is it with liberals that they can't stand someone else besides liberal politicians are making money!
If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
Did it ever occur to you the stock holders don't care as long as that highly paid CEO is earning them dividends?
Essentially you have a choice invest or don't invest. But if you invest, the Executive chain takes the profit they want to take and the owners of the company have no say in it.
Can't happen under current law. Hell If I run out of Jack Daniels, I can go up the street to another bar with a road house license and buy a bottle 24 hours a day (in the county} up to 2AM in city limits), but I can't sell it at my bar. All alcohol products must be ordered by and billed to the establishment selling them. They MUST be purchased only from the monopolies the state has set up.Bars seem to be the last of the mom and pops.Snipped to what I'm intending to comment on.Minimum wage. I think the min wage should go to 10 an hour but I think neither the person or the business should pay any taxes to the govt for the first year. All the money would go to the worker and the business would not be handicapped by increased taxes. More,people,would be hired. Republicans would look good.
Free Trade. I know this will sound simplistic but Jim Cramer on squawk on the street said it so succinctly. Trade deals have not worked. We have entered into all these trade deals and we still have a huge trade deficit. Trade has not helped this country but benefitted our competitors. Just quit it and focus on jobs in this country. This is an attention getter.
Immigration. I have said this before. Document all the illegals and give them a card with a big red line in it. They can get a drivers license and work and don't have to look over their shoulder. No citizenship, they can get in line like everyone else. No benefits, no welfare, no food stamps, but no hassle. Militarize the border and no one gets in illegally. People,who don't follow this plan get sent back immediately without fail.
Ceo pay. I have not figured out a way to punish companies for outrageous reimbursement without stepping on people's rights, so I think this is a case that will have to be waged by jawboning. Public pressure will,have to be brought to bear and you know what, it doesn't cost anything. It is not anti-conservative to point out the obscenity that is ceo pay. Some may call this demagoguery but this is exhibit A for income inequality which republicans have to talk about. Don't get me wrong about this, I think individuals should be rewarded for their efforts or their inventions or their talents or success they bring to their companies, but executives should have the humility to recognize they didn't do it alone and their employees deserve a mentor not a king.
Republicans have to be realists. But it is time to be creative not rigid. Focus the campaign on what is best for America not just what is comfortable for the base. New and improved anyone?
As for CEO pay, the ONLY way to retain liberty and deal with that is to restore small business as the backbone of the country, and we do that by getting big government off the back of small business so they can compete with big business. Right now all the advantage is with the huge mega corporations who pay those huge salaries to their CEOS. Government regulation doesn't hurt them all that much. But it devastates small business and makes it almost impossible for them to compete. Give the big corporations serious competition and they will change their ways voluntarily to protect their profits.
Take my business, for example. I must buy hard liquor from state run stores. Privately owned stores frequently have better prices, but ABC (Alabama Beverage Control) has us over a barrel.
Wine and beer come from state licensed private sector distributors.
Anheuser Busch products from one, Miller from another and a few imports and wines from a third.
That's it! there is no competition. If I want to sell Bud Lite, I have to buy it from Bud- Busch, Loxley.
In all fairness, all bars have the same distributers, but a place like Wal-Mart that sells 60 cases of Miller Lite a day gets a much better price than a neighborhood bar that sells 14 cases a week.
Wal-Mart can actually sell beer cheaper than I can buy it.
I think that if the state is going to restrict who I can buy product from, they should demand distributers charge the same price to all customers.
Preferably, the state should remove the monopoly these distributers hold and allow me to buy product from who ever gives me the best price.
I feel for you, no one is out there to help the small independent business. Maybe all the bars in the area can form a co-op and purchase as a group.
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Do you know what a contract is? Many people sign them when they assume a position.But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
And we may be doing ourselves harm. Look how much we have allowed the haters and leftwing media and opposing politicians, even in our own parties, to marginalize and demonize the Tea Party movement and similar grass roots effort for reform. Many who are personally sympathetic to Tea Party etc. ideals and goals for reform shy away from identifying with such groups or join with the opposition to criticize them.
And because we are that way, we are allowing 'them' to control the message, the agenda, and the direction the country is going.
The Tea Party has no more claim to a place in the public arena than anyone else.
The fact that they can't seem to manage their PR is nobody's fault but their own. I had considered joining a local group once, but I become disenchanted by all the wackjobs who seemed to be out in front.
When the Tea Party leans how to put together a good message and organize at the grassroots level (which means not putting the whackjobs in charge....and, in fact, telling them to STFU or get out), they might become more relevant in today's political world.
But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
Do you know what a contract is? Many people sign them when they assume a position.But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.
But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.
But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?
And we may be doing ourselves harm. Look how much we have allowed the haters and leftwing media and opposing politicians, even in our own parties, to marginalize and demonize the Tea Party movement and similar grass roots effort for reform. Many who are personally sympathetic to Tea Party etc. ideals and goals for reform shy away from identifying with such groups or join with the opposition to criticize them.
And because we are that way, we are allowing 'them' to control the message, the agenda, and the direction the country is going.
The Tea Party has no more claim to a place in the public arena than anyone else.
The fact that they can't seem to manage their PR is nobody's fault but their own. I had considered joining a local group once, but I become disenchanted by all the wackjobs who seemed to be out in front.
When the Tea Party leans how to put together a good message and organize at the grassroots level (which means not putting the whackjobs in charge....and, in fact, telling them to STFU or get out), they might become more relevant in today's political world.
The Tea Party has not mismanaged their PR. They were targeted by the establishment in Congress--both GOP and Dem who didn't want the completion, trashed by the mainstream median and by the left on message boards, and denied fund raising ability by the current administrationso that they could not as effectively counter the negative press. Remember the IRS scandals?
Nor have they demanded any privilege or voice more than any other group is allowed. And who are the 'whackjobs'? Those identified by the permanent political class in Washington, the mainstream media, and others who want the Tea Party silenced? Those accused of all sorts of things the Tea Party has never stood for? Those the gullible among us believe from a dishonest press?
I'll admit the Tea Party has had terrible press. But it, and others like it, is the true grass roots reform movement. We can help the professional politicians and self serving groups marginalize and demonize them. Or we can give them an opportunity to make their case. So far, I have mostly liked the case they have made.
If we refuse to do that, it honestly isn't going to make any difference who we elect to Congress or the White House. One group may take us to hell in a hand basket a little slower, but they'll both take us there.
They do it for the same reason an NFL team will sign a $20,000,000 contract with a Quarterback. The company wanted to attract a person they felt would best run their business. Just like a QB may bust up his knees or shred his shoulder, a CEO may guess wrong and cost a company money in the long run. Both the Packers and General Electric are STILL bound by contract.Do you know what a contract is? Many people sign them when they assume a position.But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
The logical extension of that is that shareholders should not allow such stupid and corrupt contracts to be signed.
Then attend the annual meeting and cast your vote. Be sure, however, you have a lot of shares of voting stock. There will be a few million other share holders with a better understanding of the business voting against you.But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.
But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.
But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?
If I am a stockholder...it is my money.
Now what was the question ?
Then attend the annual meeting and cast your vote. Be sure, however, you have a lot of shares of voting stock. There will be a few million other share holders with a better understanding of the business voting against you.But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.
But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.
But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?
If I am a stockholder...it is my money.
Now what was the question ?
They do it for the same reason an NFL team will sign a $20,000,000 contract with a Quarterback. The company wanted to attract a person they felt would best run their business. Just like a QB may bust up his knees or shred his shoulder, a CEO may guess wrong and cost a company money in the long run. Both the Packers and General Electric are STILL bound by contract.Do you know what a contract is? Many people sign them when they assume a position.But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
The logical extension of that is that shareholders should not allow such stupid and corrupt contracts to be signed.
But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.
But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.
But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?
If I am a stockholder...it is my money.
Now what was the question ?
But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.
But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.
But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?
But there is no 'theft' involved in those mega salaries and I personally think it is ethically problematic to try to pressure a company that is not doing anything unethical. And it is purely voluntary whether or not we do business with a private business as opposed to whether we support the permanent political class in Washington who have the power to enrich themselves at our expense. IMO that is where you need to focus your anger and resentment.If it is a privately held corporation. But in a publicly traded company, sotckholders have no way of stopping this kind of theft.
And here we have a huge disconnect on the part of someone who obviously does not understand how this system works.
I find it almost hysterical (and I mean that) that you would go after politicians and not the top brass at large companies.
They are almost one in the same and they are deep in bed together.
You didn't see the site on the CEO's who'se companies lost money big time and were fired with 30 million dollar golden parachutes ?
I will say with a good deal of confidence that nobody on this thread or this site has a clue what I do and do not understand. Before you specify such assumption I would invite you to read over my Extortion thread. It was either to wordy to too tedious or too hard to understand to attract a lot of attention, but it spells it all out for anybody with an interest in the subject to see how Congress and big business interact.
But the guy with a golden parachute got it because it was written into his contract when he was made CEO of a company. It is no different that the severance pay I have been guaranteed when I went to work for somebody.
But let me ask you. Whose money it is that an executive gets paid. Yours? Mine? What is it to you what he or she gets paid?
If I am a stockholder...it is my money.
Now what was the question ?
Nobody forced you to buy the stock though. Nobody guaranteed you any return when you did. It's an educated gamble at best, and if you don't like what the CEO gets paid then why buy the stock? The wise investor researches the product she buys.
Ok I am going to state a case for a number of issues in the context of a platform for the presidential candidate. 2 a guy this is your thread and if you don't want it to go this way please tell me. You won't hurt my feelings. It feels like a cocoon here and it inspires thought instead of frustration. But viewer warning, some of my suggestions may be controversial. But I do not subscribe to the pigeonholing of people to certain categories, or the myth that leadership cannot bond diverse opinions together.
Minimum wage. I think the min wage should go to 10 an hour but I think neither the person or the business should pay any taxes to the govt for the first year. All the money would go to the worker and the business would not be handicapped by increased taxes. More,people,would be hired. Republicans would look good.
Free Trade. I know this will sound simplistic but Jim Cramer on squawk on the street said it so succinctly. Trade deals have not worked. We have entered into all these trade deals and we still have a huge trade deficit. Trade has not helped this country but benefitted our competitors. Just quit it and focus on jobs in this country. This is an attention getter.
Immigration. I have said this before. Document all the illegals and give them a card with a big red line in it. They can get a drivers license and work and don't have to look over their shoulder. No citizenship, they can get in line like everyone else. No benefits, no welfare, no food stamps, but no hassle. Militarize the border and no one gets in illegally. People,who don't follow this plan get sent back immediately without fail.
Ceo pay. I have not figured out a way to punish companies for outrageous reimbursement without stepping on people's rights, so I think this is a case that will have to be waged by jawboning. Public pressure will,have to be brought to bear and you know what, it doesn't cost anything. It is not anti-conservative to point out the obscenity that is ceo pay. Some may call this demagoguery but this is exhibit A for income inequality which republicans have to talk about. Don't get me wrong about this, I think individuals should be rewarded for their efforts or their inventions or their talents or success they bring to their companies, but executives should have the humility to recognize they didn't do it alone and their employees deserve a mentor not a king.
Republicans have to be realists. But it is time to be creative not rigid. Focus the campaign on what is best for America not just what is comfortable for the base. New and improved anyone?
Yeah, thanks non republican for putting that crap in.
But it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what a business pays their CEO. Did that ever occur to you?
If Chick Fil A or Sony wants to pay their CEO a million dollars an hour, that's their business AND NONE OF YOURS.
Welcome to a free country. People are free. Even to pay a CEO more than YOU think they are worth.
What is it with liberals that they can't stand someone else besides liberal politicians are making money!
