Republicans propose declaring Idaho a 'Christian state'

[LeftofLeft]

Our Christian forefathers founded US with a vision of tolerance for other Religions and non believers. It's time that non Christians and non believers show a little respect and gratitude.

 

[Lakhota]

Morons.

The Constitution DOES mention God -- In the ratification clause, "In the Year Of Our LORD, 1787"

Idiot.

And the Constitution is predicated on the Declaration of Independence, which mentions God FOUR Times and names 'Our Creator' as the benefactor of all our rights.

stupid fucking dimocraps

Bullshit. The Declaration of Independence is a "founding" document - not a "governing" document. We are governed by the "Godless" Constitution. The Supreme Court upholds the Constitution - not the Declaration of Independence.

It has often been seen on the Internet that to find God in the Constitution, all one has to do is read it, and see how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," or "Lord." Except for one notable instance, however, none of these words ever appears in the Constitution, neither the original nor in any of the Amendments. The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts. This lack of any these words does not mean that the Framers were not spiritual people, any more than the use of the word Lord means that they were. What this lack of these words is expositive of is not a love for or disdain for religion, but the feeling that the new government should not involve itself in matters of religion. In fact, the original Constitution bars any religious test to hold any federal office in the United States. For more information, see the Religion Topic Page.

Much More: Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

 

[Edgetho]

You're an idiot..... The Dec Independence has been cited on numerous occasions by the SCOTUS as a LEGAL DOCUMENT.

You're just too stupid to continue to breathe free air.

Professor John Eidsmoe writes:

"The role of the Declaration of Independence in American law is often misconstrued. Some believe the Declaration is simply a statement of ideas that has no legal force whatsoever today. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Declaration has been repeatedly cited by the U.S. Supreme Court as part of the fundamental law of the United States of America.

"The United States Code Annotated includes the Declaration of Independence under the heading 'The Organic Laws of the United States of America' along with the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, and the Northwest Ordinance. Enabling acts frequently require states to adhere to the principles of the Declaration; in the Enabling Act of June 16, 1906, Congress authorized Oklahoma Territory to take steps to become a state. Section 3 provides that the Oklahoma Constitution 'shall not be repugnant to the Constitution of the United States and the principles of the Declaration of Independence.' (Christianity and the Constitution, pp. 360-361)

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Edgetho missed the point as he tap danced right across it. Yes, Idaho can make such a law until SCOTUS decides if it cannot.

Edge, you are no sort of Constitutional expert, except the worst kind of ideologue that puts belief in front of critical thinking.

Seeing that Obama is labeled a "Constitutional expert," it's fair to say that such a label carries no authority.

 

[Lakhota]

We are governed by the "Godless" Constitution - not the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence

Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. The reason appears obvious: the Declaration mentions God. (You may notice that some Christians avoid the Constitution, with its absence of God.)

However, the Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). The Declaration aimed at announcing the separation of America from Great Britain and it listed the various grievances with them. The Declaration includes the words, "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold today, and we have more than thirteen states.

Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets and believers, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. It represents a historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our government.

Of course the Declaration stands as a great political document. Its author aimed at a future government designed and upheld by people and not based on a superstitious god or religious monarchy. It observed that all men "are created equal" meaning that we all have the natural ability of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." Please note that the Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity. It bears repeating: "Governments are instituted among men."

The pursuit of happiness does not mean a guarantee of happiness, only that we have the freedom to pursue it. Our Law of the Land incorporates this freedom of pursuit in the Constitution. We can believe or not believe as we wish. We may succeed or fail in our pursuit, but our Constitution (and not the Declaration) protects our unalienable rights in our attempt at happiness.

Moreover, the mentioning of God in the Declaration does not describe the personal God of Christianity. Thomas Jefferson who held deist beliefs, wrote the majority of the Declaration. The Declaration describes "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." This nature's view of God agrees with deist philosophy and might even appeal to those of pantheistical beliefs, but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone.

More: The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

 

[SwimExpert]

You can say this is a Christian nation, and I can disagree with you, but neither are actions of the government. We're talking about the government of Idaho declaring that it is a Christian state, and that the laws and government are built upon Christianity. So what effect does such an act of the legislature have? Does it have no effect? If so, then the resolution itself is a lie. Is it even possible for a state legislature to pass a resolution under such circumstances as would instantly render the same a lie?

Well when over three quarters of a population claims to Christian that makes it culturally Christian. To deny the Christian heritage is just silly. Many court houses today have the 10 commandments or Christian writings on the somewhere. Many of our national monuments. The president swears in on a Bible, not the Koran, not Marx's Manifesto or Evolution of the Species.

I would say that there is a difference between the causal and incidental. We are a secular nation, founded on religious freedom. That a large portion of Americans happen to be Christian is on par with the fact that a large proportion of corporate executives happen to be male. There is no element of being American that requires or implies Christianity anymore than being a competent executive implies being male.

In any event, that does not address the dilemma I posed.

 

[kaz]

Don't get your clown panties in a bunch lefties. It's not going to hurt you. There are no laws or rules. It's only a statement.

Imagine the meltdown from you if they declared it was a Muslim state.

OMG that's funny. That is the point of what Idaho is doing, my dear. They are mocking the left showing how you react when it's a Christian State instead of a Muslim one. You proceed to not only get that but make the point in reverse? That's just funny, way way funny

 

[Edgetho]

Look, STUPID....

The Declaration of Independence is ORGANIC LAW, you stupid bitch.

Nothing you can ever say will change that. It is as much of a Law as the Constitution itself.


How about Wiki? They're around your IQ level (infantile)

Organic law - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

An organic law is a law or system of laws which forms the foundation of a government, corporation or other organization's body of rules. A constitution is a particular form of organic law for a sovereign state.

The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include theDeclaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.[2][3]

You're just another stupid fucking dimocrap educated beyond his ability to comprehend -- In your case, I'd say 8th Grade

 

[JakeStarkey]

Our Christian forefathers founded US with a vision of tolerance for other Religions and non believers. It's time that non Christians and non believers show a little respect and gratitude.

Americans have not been as kind about the separation as they should be. This includes the religious and the atheists. Also the Declaration cannot contravene and is subordinate the Constitution.

The Constitution is not atheist, for it recognizes certain religious subject.

The Constitution is not pro-Christian, the far right social cons certain wished it were so.

So smash down the jerks on each end of the spectrum when necessary, and try to be nice to each other.

 

[kaz]

We are governed by the "Godless" Constitution - not the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence

Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. The reason appears obvious: the Declaration mentions God. (You may notice that some Christians avoid the Constitution, with its absence of God.)

However, the Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). The Declaration aimed at announcing the separation of America from Great Britain and it listed the various grievances with them. The Declaration includes the words, "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold today, and we have more than thirteen states.

Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets and believers, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. It represents a historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our government.

Of course the Declaration stands as a great political document. Its author aimed at a future government designed and upheld by people and not based on a superstitious god or religious monarchy. It observed that all men "are created equal" meaning that we all have the natural ability of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." Please note that the Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity. It bears repeating: "Governments are instituted among men."

The pursuit of happiness does not mean a guarantee of happiness, only that we have the freedom to pursue it. Our Law of the Land incorporates this freedom of pursuit in the Constitution. We can believe or not believe as we wish. We may succeed or fail in our pursuit, but our Constitution (and not the Declaration) protects our unalienable rights in our attempt at happiness.

Moreover, the mentioning of God in the Declaration does not describe the personal God of Christianity. Thomas Jefferson who held deist beliefs, wrote the majority of the Declaration. The Declaration describes "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." This nature's view of God agrees with deist philosophy and might even appeal to those of pantheistical beliefs, but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone.

More: The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

The Founding Fathers based the country on Christian values. Many of them were deists. They pretty much all had faith. Amazing how with the pompous pontification you blew past grasping the obvious. The DOI mentioned God because it was a document justifying leaving the British, it was a philosophy document, so sure, it mentioned God. The Constitution was a document describing how our laws work, it is a rule book. Since the rules are not based on a Religion, they were not mentioned.

Nothing is so obvious that it can be grasped and retained by the liberal mind. Liberalism, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Mama don't let you kids grow up to be liberals....

 

[LeftofLeft]

We are governed by the "Godless" Constitution - not the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence

Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. The reason appears obvious: the Declaration mentions God. (You may notice that some Christians avoid the Constitution, with its absence of God.)

However, the Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). The Declaration aimed at announcing the separation of America from Great Britain and it listed the various grievances with them. The Declaration includes the words, "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold today, and we have more than thirteen states.

Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets and believers, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. It represents a historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our government.

Of course the Declaration stands as a great political document. Its author aimed at a future government designed and upheld by people and not based on a superstitious god or religious monarchy. It observed that all men "are created equal" meaning that we all have the natural ability of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." Please note that the Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity. It bears repeating: "Governments are instituted among men."

The pursuit of happiness does not mean a guarantee of happiness, only that we have the freedom to pursue it. Our Law of the Land incorporates this freedom of pursuit in the Constitution. We can believe or not believe as we wish. We may succeed or fail in our pursuit, but our Constitution (and not the Declaration) protects our unalienable rights in our attempt at happiness.

Moreover, the mentioning of God in the Declaration does not describe the personal God of Christianity. Thomas Jefferson who held deist beliefs, wrote the majority of the Declaration. The Declaration describes "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." This nature's view of God agrees with deist philosophy and might even appeal to those of pantheistical beliefs, but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone.

More: The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

The Constitution is based on Judeo Christian ethics.

 

[kaz]

Our Christian forefathers founded US with a vision of tolerance for other Religions and non believers. It's time that non Christians and non believers show a little respect and gratitude.

Americans have not been as kind about the separation as they should be. This includes the religious and the atheists.

The Constitution is not atheist, for it recognizes certain religious subject.

The Constitution is not pro-Christian, the far right social cons certain wished it were so.

So smash down the jerks on each end of the spectrum when necessary, and try to be nice to each other.

The Constitution is anti-Christian and anti-Jew, it was written to support atheists and Muslims. I mean duh, everyone knows that

 

[Lakhota]

We are governed by the "Godless" Constitution - not the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence

Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. The reason appears obvious: the Declaration mentions God. (You may notice that some Christians avoid the Constitution, with its absence of God.)

However, the Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). The Declaration aimed at announcing the separation of America from Great Britain and it listed the various grievances with them. The Declaration includes the words, "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold today, and we have more than thirteen states.

Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets and believers, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. It represents a historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our government.

Of course the Declaration stands as a great political document. Its author aimed at a future government designed and upheld by people and not based on a superstitious god or religious monarchy. It observed that all men "are created equal" meaning that we all have the natural ability of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." Please note that the Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity. It bears repeating: "Governments are instituted among men."

The pursuit of happiness does not mean a guarantee of happiness, only that we have the freedom to pursue it. Our Law of the Land incorporates this freedom of pursuit in the Constitution. We can believe or not believe as we wish. We may succeed or fail in our pursuit, but our Constitution (and not the Declaration) protects our unalienable rights in our attempt at happiness.

Moreover, the mentioning of God in the Declaration does not describe the personal God of Christianity. Thomas Jefferson who held deist beliefs, wrote the majority of the Declaration. The Declaration describes "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." This nature's view of God agrees with deist philosophy and might even appeal to those of pantheistical beliefs, but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone.

More: The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

The Constitution is based on Judeo Christian ethics.

Where does it say that?

 

[Lakhota]

We are governed by the "Godless" Constitution - not the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence

Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. The reason appears obvious: the Declaration mentions God. (You may notice that some Christians avoid the Constitution, with its absence of God.)

However, the Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). The Declaration aimed at announcing the separation of America from Great Britain and it listed the various grievances with them. The Declaration includes the words, "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America." The grievances against Great Britain no longer hold today, and we have more than thirteen states.

Although the Declaration may have influential power, it may inspire the lofty thoughts of poets and believers, and judges may mention it in their summations, it holds no legal power today. It represents a historical document about rebellious intentions against Great Britain at a time before the formation of our government.

Of course the Declaration stands as a great political document. Its author aimed at a future government designed and upheld by people and not based on a superstitious god or religious monarchy. It observed that all men "are created equal" meaning that we all have the natural ability of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men." Please note that the Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity. It bears repeating: "Governments are instituted among men."

The pursuit of happiness does not mean a guarantee of happiness, only that we have the freedom to pursue it. Our Law of the Land incorporates this freedom of pursuit in the Constitution. We can believe or not believe as we wish. We may succeed or fail in our pursuit, but our Constitution (and not the Declaration) protects our unalienable rights in our attempt at happiness.

Moreover, the mentioning of God in the Declaration does not describe the personal God of Christianity. Thomas Jefferson who held deist beliefs, wrote the majority of the Declaration. The Declaration describes "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." This nature's view of God agrees with deist philosophy and might even appeal to those of pantheistical beliefs, but any attempt to use the Declaration as a support for Christianity will fail for this reason alone.

More: The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

The Founding Fathers based the country on Christian values. Many of them were deists. They pretty much all had faith. Amazing how with the pompous pontification you blew past grasping the obvious. The DOI mentioned God because it was a document justifying leaving the British, it was a philosophy document, so sure, it mentioned God. The Constitution was a document describing how our laws work, it is a rule book. Since the rules are not based on a Religion, they were not mentioned.

Nothing is so obvious that it can be grasped and retained by the liberal mind. Liberalism, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Mama don't let you kids grow up to be liberals....

You are one of the best spinners of distorted/twisted bullshit on the board.

 

[Ravi]

Don't get your clown panties in a bunch lefties. It's not going to hurt you. There are no laws or rules. It's only a statement.

Imagine the meltdown from you if they declared it was a Muslim state.

OMG that's funny. That is the point of what Idaho is doing, my dear. They are mocking the left showing how you react when it's a Christian State instead of a Muslim one. You proceed to not only get that but make the point in reverse? That's just funny, way way funny

No, they are not bright enough to come up with that scenario.

Apparently they have nothing to do in Idaho as the state is in perfect shape, aside from issuing a dog whistle piece of legislation to get the nutters feeling righteous.

 

[Ravi]

Look, STUPID....

The Declaration of Independence is ORGANIC LAW, you stupid bitch.

Nothing you can ever say will change that. It is as much of a Law as the Constitution itself.


How about Wiki? They're around your IQ level (infantile)

Organic law - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

An organic law is a law or system of laws which forms the foundation of a government, corporation or other organization's body of rules. A constitution is a particular form of organic law for a sovereign state.

The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include theDeclaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.[2][3]

You're just another stupid fucking dimocrap educated beyond his ability to comprehend -- In your case, I'd say 8th Grade

You seem angry. Have an organic cookie.

 

[Edgetho]

Americans have not been as kind about the separation as they should be. This includes the religious and the atheists. Also the Declaration cannot contravene and is subordinate the Constitution.

The Constitution is not atheist, for it recognizes certain religious subject.

The Constitution is not pro-Christian, the far right social cons certain wished it were so.

So smash down the jerks on each end of the spectrum when necessary, and try to be nice to each other.

Tell you what, next time your mommy gives you a dollar to go the arcade, look at the side opposite George Washington between the pyramid and the seal and read what it says over the big ONE ....


Unless they've changed the currency in the last few minutes, it will say "IN GOD WE TRUST"

No mention of Allah, God Qi, Chi, Gaia or mohammed the goat fucker.

Your an idiot

 

[Lakhota]

The American Family Association Publishes Interactive 'Bigotry Map' Featuring LGBT Organizations

A prominent fundamentalist organization is making headlines after creating an "anti-Christian bigotry map" which includes lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) advocacy groups.

The American Family Association's interactive map, which can be found here, breaks down groups into four categories: anti-Christian, humanist, atheist and those with a "homosexual agenda."

The latter group is defined as "advocates for the legalization and promotion of same-sex marriage and viciously attacks Christians who exercise their First Amendment right to voice support for God’s plan for marriage as between one man and one woman."

Among the groups classified as those with a "homosexual agenda" include theHuman Rights Campaign (HRC) and the Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network, or GLSEN.

"These groups are deeply intolerant towards the Christian religion. Their objectives are to silence Christians and to remove all public displays of Christian heritage and faith in America," AFA officials note on their site. "Some members or supporters of these groups have committed violent crimes against Christians and faith-based groups. Physical and profane verbal assaults against Christians are methods frequently exercised in their angry methods of intimidation."

HRC was quick to fire back at the AFA, pointing out that apparent brick-and-mortar offices listed in North Dakota and Texas didn't even exist.

More: The American Family Association Publishes Interactive Bigotry Map Featuring LGBT Organizations

Just more crazy shit from the Christian Taliban.

 

[Edgetho]

You seem angry. Have an organic cookie.

From an inadequate loser in a boiler room, constantly hitting his alt key so the boss won't accidentally see him goofing off when he/she's supposed to be shopping for a birthday present for him to give to his mistress.

Good idea going offline in between posts, too. I see a LOT of you libturds doing that.

Proves me right.

Now get back to that late spread sheet, NASA is never going to call for that interview

 

[SwimExpert]

Morons.

The Constitution DOES mention God -- In the ratification clause, "In the Year Of Our LORD, 1787"

Idiot.

That's a date. A date. It marks a point in time.

Idiot...