*Respected* late term abortionist lies to women, puts them at risk...caught on tape.

[Noomi]

The issue of abortion is a sensitive issue since it broaches the subject of when life begins and what constitutes a human life; but I would say it is mostly a women's issue since it is their body and they should have the right to decide whether or not they will have a child. But is it unethical to suggest that if parents can be informed through advanced prenatal screening that their child will be born severely disabled that they should have the right to abort?

That's not usually the case. Most women use abortion as a method of birth control because they're too irresponsible to take a damn pill or use a condom.

No they don't. You think that a woman would opt for an invasive surgical procedure over a pill or a condom? Don't be stupid.

 

[JoeB131]

Uh...really. Where did I say I didn't give a fuck about babies?

How funny. You are unhinged, you know. You always revert to type...lie, obfuscate, and then throw in the same, tired logical fallacies and pretend they're new and fresh.

We have your number, scum.

When you said you opposed universal health care and family leave paid for by employers.

You obviously care more about Dressage horses than poor kids.

 

[JoeB131]

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Disingenuous tripe. Koshergirl is consistently appalled by abortion.

Take your accusation of hypocrisy and shove it.

A few bad ABORTIONS DOCTORS?! You’re the hypocrite, you clueless degenerate.

This is your reaction? This is your response . . . to what any decent human being would be outrage by, full of anger and disgust. You change the subject, as if one negates the other, accuse the bearer of this horrific evil, a real lady no less, clearly a decent and tender-hearted woman as compared to the callous female Naomi, a cow to whom no man who cared for the fate of his offspring would come near?

Behold the moral bankruptcy of leftist men, what limp-wristed wusses they are.

But that's the point. She appalled by abortions as a procedure, not that some doctors who perform them suck at it and shouldn't be doing it.

Kosher has repeatedly said that she doesn't give a fuck about those babies once they are born. At least not enough to provide them with decent education or health care. Then they are on their own...

It's why I don't take you guys seriously. When you start giving a crap about poor kids who aer already here, then I'll take your concerns about potential ones seriously.

Do you think you should have to volunteer to financially support every murder victim in the country before you can oppose murder? No? Then STFU.

No one asked her to support every child. We asked her if she wanted to live in a society that put working people's needs over the wealthy, and she was all like "fuck no".

Which is the point. You whacks don't care about these babies, you just want to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of us. When you start caring about the babies that are already here, then I'll take you seriously about embryos.

 

[JoeB131]

It's more complicated than that.

There's a whole system in place that encourages girls from a very young age to engage in reckless and often illegal sex, with the understanding that if they take their birth control they won't get pregnant, and if they DO get pregnant, there will be someone to *take care of it* and it won't be a big deal. The schools sell it to them as their *right* to put their bodies out there, to be used and abused in whatever way, and our culture glamorizes promiscuity and risk taking behaviors...while downplaying the risks (or completely denying they exist).

In this way girls are lured into lives of promiscuous sex, the sex trade, and incestuous or otherwise illegal sexual relationships with older and abusive men.

Men who often tell them that they WANT to have babies...and who will not allow the girls to get abortions at an early stage...then threaten to kill them if they don't get abortions at a much later date.

When you see men online, fighting this fight for abortion...THIS is what they are supporting. The right of men to have women available for sex at all times, with both the insurance of abortion...so that they do not have to be responsible for the fruits of sex with women they actually despise, and so that they can hide sex abuse, rape, incest, and human trafficking from the law. It's this huge, tangled, disgusting mess, and they drag the girls into it at a young age. PP makes a lot of money off human traffickers who bring their girls in, and they don't report or protect the girls and women they mangle and kill. They work with the rapists and abusers to further violate and traumatize women.

So many logical fallacies here.

First, I've never met a woman who had an abortion who wasn't completely on the driver's seat. Shit, the law puts them there. The man really has no say. He can't maker her have an abortion, and he can't prevent her from having one legally. And that's how it SHOULD be.

Also, the kind of women who get involved in the "Sex Trade" are usually damaged goods long before this ever becomes an issue.

Frankly, your rant shows a woman who has some serious-ass sex dysfunction that I wouldn't want to speculate on before breakfast, but all I can think of is Piper Laurie's character in "Carrie". Some man must have really burned her at some point.

 

[S.J.]

The issue of abortion is a sensitive issue since it broaches the subject of when life begins and what constitutes a human life; but I would say it is mostly a women's issue since it is their body and they should have the right to decide whether or not they will have a child. But is it unethical to suggest that if parents can be informed through advanced prenatal screening that their child will be born severely disabled that they should have the right to abort?

That's not usually the case. Most women use abortion as a method of birth control because they're too irresponsible to take a damn pill or use a condom.

No they don't. You think that a woman would opt for an invasive surgical procedure over a pill or a condom? Don't be stupid.

I'm sure you'll never have to make that decision.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

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Disingenuous tripe. Koshergirl is consistently appalled by abortion.

Take your accusation of hypocrisy and shove it.

A few bad ABORTIONS DOCTORS?! You’re the hypocrite, you clueless degenerate.

This is your reaction? This is your response . . . to what any decent human being would be outrage by, full of anger and disgust. You change the subject, as if one negates the other, accuse the bearer of this horrific evil, a real lady no less, clearly a decent and tender-hearted woman as compared to the callous female Naomi, a cow to whom no man who cared for the fate of his offspring would come near?

Behold the moral bankruptcy of leftist men, what limp-wristed wusses they are.

But that's the point. She appalled by abortions as a procedure, not that some doctors who perform them suck at it and shouldn't be doing it.

Kosher has repeatedly said that she doesn't give a fuck about those babies once they are born. At least not enough to provide them with decent education or health care. Then they are on their own...

It's why I don't take you guys seriously. When you start giving a crap about poor kids who aer already here, then I'll take your concerns about potential ones seriously.

I've noticed that you incessantly go on about how stupid theists are as if that were a true or sensible statement. There's something seriously wrong with your thinker isn't there? I've noticed that your reasoning is very rarely rational about anything.

So now you acknowledge that Koshergirl is consistent in her condemnation of the practice of abortion after all, albeit, her condemnation of a particularly monstrous practitioner of the trade, competent or not, is inconsistent with that stance?!

Dude!

And you say that she doesn’t care about these babies anyway. . . . And how do you know this? Why, you know this, no doubt, because she doesn’t embrace YOUR imbecilic statist view of education and healthcare.

Dude!

 

[koshergrl]

It's more complicated than that.

There's a whole system in place that encourages girls from a very young age to engage in reckless and often illegal sex, with the understanding that if they take their birth control they won't get pregnant, and if they DO get pregnant, there will be someone to *take care of it* and it won't be a big deal. The schools sell it to them as their *right* to put their bodies out there, to be used and abused in whatever way, and our culture glamorizes promiscuity and risk taking behaviors...while downplaying the risks (or completely denying they exist).

In this way girls are lured into lives of promiscuous sex, the sex trade, and incestuous or otherwise illegal sexual relationships with older and abusive men.

Men who often tell them that they WANT to have babies...and who will not allow the girls to get abortions at an early stage...then threaten to kill them if they don't get abortions at a much later date.

When you see men online, fighting this fight for abortion...THIS is what they are supporting. The right of men to have women available for sex at all times, with both the insurance of abortion...so that they do not have to be responsible for the fruits of sex with women they actually despise, and so that they can hide sex abuse, rape, incest, and human trafficking from the law. It's this huge, tangled, disgusting mess, and they drag the girls into it at a young age. PP makes a lot of money off human traffickers who bring their girls in, and they don't report or protect the girls and women they mangle and kill. They work with the rapists and abusers to further violate and traumatize women.

So many logical fallacies here.

First, I've never met a woman who had an abortion who wasn't completely on the driver's seat. Shit, the law puts them there. The man really has no say. He can't maker her have an abortion, and he can't prevent her from having one legally. And that's how it SHOULD be.

Also, the kind of women who get involved in the "Sex Trade" are usually damaged goods long before this ever becomes an issue.

Frankly, your rant shows a woman who has some serious-ass sex dysfunction that I wouldn't want to speculate on before breakfast, but all I can think of is Piper Laurie's character in "Carrie". Some man must have really burned her at some point.

As I said.

joe perfectly represents the scumbags who are committed to maintaining the abortion industry, because it facilitates the abuse, murder, and degradation of women.

He also maintains that all of the women who are testifying against Gosell are liars (and whores, too, I've no doubt). Including the ones that were groomed from their teen years to have sex with Gosnell and kill babies and women at his behest.

 

[JoeB131]

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I've noticed that you incessantly go on about how stupid theists are as if that were a true or sensible statement. There's something seriously wrong with your thinker isn't there? I've noticed that your reasoning is very rarely rational about anything.

A guy who believes a magic man in the sky is going to punish him for all eternity if he touches himself the wrong way has no business lecturing anyone on rationality.

Religious people. Invariably stupid fuckwads. Never met one whose intelligence I respected. Not once.

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So now you acknowledge that Koshergirl is consistent in her condemnation of the practice of abortion after all, albeit, her condemnation of a particularly monstrous practitioner of the trade, competent or not, is inconsistent with that stance?!

Oh, I've never denied that at all. The woman is whacked out of her mind and thinks women should be breeding machines for Jay-zus....

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Dude!

And you say that she doesn’t care about these babies anyway. . . . And how do you know this? Why, you know this, no doubt, because she doesn’t embrace YOUR imbecilic statist view of education and healthcare.

Dude!

She doesn't care about babies because she has stated repeatedly that if you were to impose laws to make their lives better or maybe give women other choices, that would be SOOOOOCIALISM. Obviously, a worse sin than abortion in her mind.

 

[JoeB131]

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As I said.

joe perfectly represents the scumbags who are committed to maintaining the abortion industry, because it facilitates the abuse, murder, and degradation of women.

He also maintains that all of the women who are testifying against Gosell are liars (and whores, too, I've no doubt). Including the ones that were groomed from their teen years to have sex with Gosnell and kill babies and women at his behest.

One woman who testified against Gosnell has a history of mental health problems.

NOw Gosnell was having sex wit these women? Really?

Man, you have some dark-ass fantasies...

 

[Noomi]

That's not usually the case. Most women use abortion as a method of birth control because they're too irresponsible to take a damn pill or use a condom.

No they don't. You think that a woman would opt for an invasive surgical procedure over a pill or a condom? Don't be stupid.

I'm sure you'll never have to make that decision.

I would choose contraception over an invasive surgical procedure, anyday.

 

[koshergrl]

Contraception fails.

 

[Noomi]

Contraception fails.

Yes, it does - but even if I then had an abortion, it wouldn't be as birth control - if it was, then the abortion would be my first choice, instead of being my last choice, if all other avenues failed.

But likely, I wouldn't have an abortion, I'd deal with the fact I was expecting a baby. I tend to be very pro choice for everyone else, but pro life for myself - meaning that if I became pregnant, I'd most likely have the kid.

 

[koshergrl]

So it's your "back up". It's not your first choice, it's your second choice...

It's still birth control, honey.

 

[Noomi]

So it's your "back up". It's not your first choice, it's your second choice...

It's still birth control, honey.

IF I was going to have an abortion, it would be my last option - adoption would be the second option.

I was responding to the accusation that 'most women use abortion as birth control' - which makes it seem like women screw around, without protection, and then just get abortions, when it isn't like that at all.

 

[Immanuel]

^he gives the decent abortion doctors a bad name. Most are good people who care about their patients, but we never hear about those.

He was heretofore one of the most respected abortion doctors.

They're ghouls without exception, they despise women, and they kill, maim and exploit them. That's what abortion is about. There is not one abortion doctor that does it because they want to do something positive for women.

That is bullshit. No one becomes an abortion doctor because they hate women. They become abortion doctors because they believe that women deserve the right to choose, and the majority of doctors care about their patients.

Bullshit, they become abortionists because it pays good. They don't give a shit about the right to choose or the woman. They only care for the profit.

Immie

 

[S.J.]

So it's your "back up". It's not your first choice, it's your second choice...

It's still birth control, honey.

IF I was going to have an abortion, it would be my last option - adoption would be the second option.

I was responding to the accusation that 'most women use abortion as birth control' - which makes it seem like women screw around, without protection, and then just get abortions, when it isn't like that at all.

If all abortions were cases of rape, the rape statistics would be astronomical. Most of them are a result of promiscuity and irresponsibility.

 

[koshergrl]

So it's your "back up". It's not your first choice, it's your second choice...

It's still birth control, honey.

IF I was going to have an abortion, it would be my last option - adoption would be the second option.

I was responding to the accusation that 'most women use abortion as birth control' - which makes it seem like women screw around, without protection, and then just get abortions, when it isn't like that at all.

You don't know what it's like.

It's used as birth control. You can imagine it any way you want, but that's the purpose of abortion. It isn't about *choice* and it isn't about women's rights, and it isn't about health by a looooonnnnng shot. It's about birth control, it's about killing babies, it's about promiscuity, and it's about money.

 

[Noomi]

So it's your "back up". It's not your first choice, it's your second choice...

It's still birth control, honey.

IF I was going to have an abortion, it would be my last option - adoption would be the second option.

I was responding to the accusation that 'most women use abortion as birth control' - which makes it seem like women screw around, without protection, and then just get abortions, when it isn't like that at all.

If all abortions were cases of rape, the rape statistics would be astronomical. Most of them are a result of promiscuity and irresponsibility.

Or contraception failing.

 

[Immanuel]

The issue of abortion is a sensitive issue since it broaches the subject of when life begins and what constitutes a human life; but I would say it is mostly a women's issue since it is their body and they should have the right to decide whether or not they will have a child. But is it unethical to suggest that if parents can be informed through advanced prenatal screening that their child will be born severely disabled that they should have the right to abort?

That's not usually the case. Most women use abortion as a method of birth control because they're too irresponsible to take a damn pill or use a condom.

No they don't. You think that a woman would opt for an invasive surgical procedure over a pill or a condom? Don't be stupid.

According to The Alan Guttmacher Institute, 97 percent of abortions are performed for the sake of convenience. By the way, AGI is an arm of Planned Parenthood. 97% of all abortions are performed because mommy doesn't want or thinks she cannot afford the baby. Less than 3% are performed for Rape, incest or health of the mother.

You're damned right they choose an invasive procedure over a pill or condom. It is the "easy" way out or so they are told.

Immie

 

[Noomi]

So it's your "back up". It's not your first choice, it's your second choice...

It's still birth control, honey.

IF I was going to have an abortion, it would be my last option - adoption would be the second option.

I was responding to the accusation that 'most women use abortion as birth control' - which makes it seem like women screw around, without protection, and then just get abortions, when it isn't like that at all.

You don't know what it's like.

It's used as birth control. You can imagine it any way you want, but that's the purpose of birth control. It isn't about *choice* and it isn't about women's rights, and it isn't about health by a looooonnnnng shot. It's about birth control, it's about killing babies, it's about promiscuity, and it's about money.

Its not about killing babies at all. Most abortions occur before nine weeks, before it even starts to resemble a 'baby'. And for most women, its a last resort. Having an abortion isn't like going to a health spa, you know.