Restaurants are adding labor surcharges to help offset minimum wage increases

[francoHFW]

They want to pay more in taxes to help the country, hater dupe. Your lying cheating bought off heroes suq.

No one wants to pay more in taxes

So you don't want to make more money?

To the selfish, it is just as easy as that.

if your attitude is 'screw everyone else just as I get mine' then raising your salary and making sure you aren't the one being fired is a great plan.

Several years ago an airline called the Mechanics Union, the Stewardess' Union, and the Pilot's Union together and opened up their books, showing them everything. They made the honest pitch that they had to cut salaries by a slight amount across the board or the company would have to go bankrupt & everyone would lose their jobs.

After much thought consideration the Mechanic and stewardess Unions, not wanting to lose their entire jobs, agreed to take the cuts....The Pilots did NOT...and everyone lost their jobs.

How much did the CEO make before the pay cuts and how much does he make now? I bet his pay has doubled.

Anyways, this is why we need to get real unemployment down. When we have more jobs than workers pay goes up. If CEOs can get you for ten why pay more?

Or......... less workers can be accomplished by getting rid of immigrants and closing down our border. Wages can never increase when you allow people to come here and work for next to nothing.


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The wall is useless and un-American, dupe. Think unfakable SS ID card to end this GOP BS. Like in the 2010 Dem Immigration Bill.

 

[francoHFW]

Just look at how you Republicans attacked them during the Oscars. You guys call them Hollywood liberals.

I think 2 people in Hollywood are Republicans

They ARE Hollywood liberals. The entire motion picture industry is built on people pretending to be what and who they are not. For that, a handful of actors, producers and directors are paid huge amounts of money. Most of them are modern liberals, which of course is as far from classic liberalism as it can get. In fact, today's conservatives are closer to classic liberalism than modern liberals. Anyway, most of Hollywood does deserve a healthy dose of mocking, marginalizing, and maligning. As for being a good kind of wealthy, they are not.

They want to pay more in taxes to help the country, hater dupe. Your lying cheating bought off heroes suq.

No one wants to pay more in taxes

So you don't want to make more money?

You don't make more money so you can pay more taxes you idiot

I don't think you understand our tax system EITHER LOL.

 

[francoHFW]

What can I do? If you want to live in your own make believe world, there is nothing I can do to help you. I can post ten thousand stories just like this one, and as long as you insist on putting the palms of your hands against your ears and sing aloud, then you're not going to acknowledge one of them.

I told you about my experiences at work, I told you about my experiences with these people at the store, I told you about my experiences with these people in my very own neighborhood, and everything I told you were anomalies in your mind.

In your mind, poor people are dad and the kids sitting at the kitchen table under a light socket hanging from it's wires with a 25 watt bulb in it. Dad is in his dirty torn tee shirt tired from working 12 hour days, and the kids too are dirty wearing hand me down clothing. Everybody is skinny because they don't eat properly, and mom is sweating over a pot of stew trying to sneak in more water to make it go farther. In your mind, this is reality to you.

This woman isn't the norm. And i'm sure you greedy white Republican folks know that. She isn't representative of average struggling fellow Americans. Y'all just wanna live your hate fantasies. It helps you feel you're justified in hating fellow Americans. You see them as the 'Bad Guy.' But in reality, you're the Bad Guy.

Yes, I am the bad guy that thinks people who are physically and mentally capable of working should work. I'm the bad guy that thinks if you force employers to pay more for labor than the labor is worth, it will have a negative effect on our economy, and may drive even more jobs overseas as we have witnessed the last couple of decades.

Maybe this woman isn't "the norm" but there are plenty like her who just never took it to the limit. I see them at my grocery store with the SNAP's card with four kids and a SUV she puts her groceries in.

I would love to have a SUV; even one with a plow. But I can't afford it. I can't afford to buy expensive vehicles, and even if I could, I wouldn't be able to afford the gas.

There is something seriously wrong in a society where the so-callled poor have more than the working. As I stated, I work every day to live in the suburbs, and the lowlifes next door to me don't work a day and can do the same. But in reality, I'm the bad guy???

More hateful demonizing generalizations. Ya ever think that maybe poor struggling fellow Americans aren't the 'Bad Guy.' Maybe it's y'all who are the Bad Guy? Think on that some.

I already did hence my above response. Perhaps it is you that should think about it.

I think you're likely just the 'Bad Guy' who thinks he's the 'Good Guy' in this. That happens a lot.

Duped> FOS> Never a rebel in any way. Believes the company line.

 

[francoHFW]

Like Hollywood rich. They aren't usually greedy or conservative. They know they hit the work lotto and don't mind paying a progressive tax

You know this, how? Got a source or just imagination?

Just look at how you Republicans attacked them during the Oscars. You guys call them Hollywood liberals.

I think 2 people in Hollywood are Republicans

They ARE Hollywood liberals. The entire motion picture industry is built on people pretending to be what and who they are not. For that, a handful of actors, producers and directors are paid huge amounts of money. Most of them are modern liberals, which of course is as far from classic liberalism as it can get. In fact, today's conservatives are closer to classic liberalism than modern liberals. Anyway, most of Hollywood does deserve a healthy dose of mocking, marginalizing, and maligning. As for being a good kind of wealthy, they are not.

They want to pay more in taxes to help the country, hater dupe. Your lying cheating bought off heroes suq.

No one wants to pay more in taxes

^^ No clue what Dems want. HIGHER TAXES ON THE RICH TO INVEST IN AMERICANS.

 

[francoHFW]

"Nobody gets rewarded just for having a good work ethic."

Exactly. We want people to have a strong work ethic, but won't reward them for it. See the problem?

If you want people to do something, give them positive reinforcement for doing it. Behavior 101.

Amusing! But not at all surprising, is that your post contradicts itself.

WHY should anyone be rewarded for a strong work ethic? That's a huge part of our problem today. Progressives actually believe that everyone should be rewarded, just for showing up! Where does that wild idea come from? Why from Progressives running little league baseball, soccer and other sport for youth.

EVERYONE GETS A PARTICIPATION TROPHY!

NO one should get rewarded for a good worth ethic. That's part of getting a job, that you come with a good work ethic or "reward" is getting canned.

Explains a LOT about your work history.

You don't know fuck-all about my work history, you festering sore on humanity's ass.

Having a work ethic is a behavior that can be learned, but if it's not reinforced, it can be lost. It's not getting a trophy for "showing up", it's getting paid for putting in an honest day's work. I notice that it's very fashionable to denigrate unskilled workers as people undeserving of livable wages, but in the same breath demonizing people for not wanting the shitty-paying jobs. If you don't recognize the no-win situation that puts the working poor in, then just reinsert your head in your ass (we know it was there very recently) and let rational people, not knee jerk reactionaries, govern.

Ironic since you are demonizing businesses owners, who are people too, you know? I have no idea why you can't understand that a skilled worker is more valuable than an unskilled one and will draw better pay. That's just a fact of reality, not a demonization.

The worse the economy is the fewer options there are. The poor are being taught that they need the Democrat party to provide so they vote Democrat and their options decrease even more because the economy is drug down with a top heavy government.

Liberals cannot learn basic economics because their ideology over rides the reality they live in.

I know, a giant tax cut for the rich! lol.

 

[francoHFW]

BS. Read something. Visits and tests are cheap. They pay 3500 over time, get $75k free. Better than losing everything. While cost curve bends down if GOP stops the sabotage...

More BS! A doctors visit is $75-$100, then you have tests and blood work which can jump up to a couple hundred bucks. The poor and middle class don't have that money to throw around. An MRI, an x-ray, you get referred to another doctor, that isn't cheap. What imaginary world do you live in?

Do you believe Republicans are going to bring prices down?

the only way to bring the price of medical costs down is to let the public know what the costs are in the first place.

The single biggest scam is the hiding of the costs. No one knows what medical care costs up front so they can't make informed decisions on where to get care

And you believe Republicans are going to solve this?

where did I ever say that?

and I don't know how many times I have to tell you before it sinks into your thick skull that I am not nor have I ever been a reublican

You just vote for them. lol. Or their puppets.

 

[Dragonlady]

[QU


Yes we know, you hate poor folks. Y'all are the reason i don't call myself a Republican anymore.

I don't hate poor folks.

I just want the little greedy dumbasses to stop electing Left Wing assholes who destroy the economy with their failed Left economics and then I have to pay for it.

The best way for somebody to stop being poor is to stop voting for Liberals that make them poor.

I live in a liberal country. With liberal policies. They don't make people poor. Right wing policies make people poor.

Right wing wars waste more taxpayer dollars than any social program you can name.

The money being spent on your useless wall, would put computers into every classroom in America.

Your priorities are screwed. People first. All people of all faiths and colours.

 

[francoHFW]

"Nobody gets rewarded just for having a good work ethic."

Exactly. We want people to have a strong work ethic, but won't reward them for it. See the problem?

If you want people to do something, give them positive reinforcement for doing it. Behavior 101.

Your paycheck is the reward. It's supposed to motivate you to do the job and keep coming back. Good employers pay enough to keep it going, if not it's up to you to do better elsewhere. Behavior 101.

If the paycheck isn't enough to feed you and shelter you, it's not much of a reward. Again, people act like you can just hop to a better job if you're not satisfied with your current pay. Wages are stagnant. It's a fact.

Liberals destroy economies, that's why wages have flat lined. Employers can be picky but in a robust economy there's more money to go around and it tilts in the employees favor. Better pay, incentives etc.

However, you can do more than bitch and complain even now. You can create your own job. Like I did. I have marketable skills but would have had few options with your mentality.

Did you hear about the corrupt GOP world meltdown of 2008? The S+L scandal? The huge debt under Raygun and Booosh in "good times? Huge gov't growth DITTO? NOT under Clinton and Obama? As always brainwashed dupes are FOS...

 

[Dschrute3]

[QU


Yes we know, you hate poor folks. Y'all are the reason i don't call myself a Republican anymore.

I don't hate poor folks.

I just want the little greedy dumbasses to stop electing Left Wing assholes who destroy the economy with their failed Left economics and then I have to pay for it.

The best way for somebody to stop being poor is to stop voting for Liberals that make them poor.

I live in a liberal country. With liberal policies. They don't make people poor. Right wing policies make people poor.

Right wing wars waste more taxpayer dollars than any social program you can name.

The money being spent on your useless wall, would put computers into every classroom in America.

Your priorities are screwed. People first. All people of all faiths and colours.

"little greedy dumbasses." That really is how the average white Republican dude views struggling fellow Americans. That comment sums them up perfectly. I don't need to say anything more.

 

[Flash]

[QU


Yes we know, you hate poor folks. Y'all are the reason i don't call myself a Republican anymore.

I don't hate poor folks.

I just want the little greedy dumbasses to stop electing Left Wing assholes who destroy the economy with their failed Left economics and then I have to pay for it.

The best way for somebody to stop being poor is to stop voting for Liberals that make them poor.

I live in a liberal country. With liberal policies. They don't make people poor. Right wing policies make people poor.

Right wing wars waste more taxpayer dollars than any social program you can name.

The money being spent on your useless wall, would put computers into every classroom in America.

Your priorities are screwed. People first. All people of all faiths and colours.

Bullshit.

Even though Obama did everything he could to screw it up it the post WWII growth of the more generally capitalistic US was greater than Canada or any Euro socialists shithole.

The reason is because you Left wing dumbasses take too much money out of the productive economy and transfer it to the filthy ass government and you get very little in return.

Left Economics always screws up a country. The more socialist the greater the chance of complete failure. The less socialist may only suffer stagnant growth.

You may love socialism because you don't know any better but is always a disaster some way or another.

Just look what that asshole Obama did to this country with his more Left approach. He increased poverty, decreased family income, really hurt health care, ran up the debt to astronomical amounts and had stagnant growth for eight years.

 

[Papageorgio]

Do you believe Republicans are going to bring prices down?

the only way to bring the price of medical costs down is to let the public know what the costs are in the first place.

The single biggest scam is the hiding of the costs. No one knows what medical care costs up front so they can't make informed decisions on where to get care

And you believe Republicans are going to solve this?

where did I ever say that?

and I don't know how many times I have to tell you before it sinks into your thick skull that I am not nor have I ever been a reublican

He has binary thinking disease, he can't get past Democrat or Republican thinking. What is sad is that is the thinking that got us into this mess.

No I get it. Especially when Republicans are in charge because then reality collides with their rhetoric. For example healthcare. Now we see us liberals were right. The GOP lied about the aca. Turns out things would be worse if not for it.

Maybe you idiots should have voted against Republicans in 2010 instead of giving them back control of the house and senate.

You rewarded bad behavior.

And last I checked we have two parties. If you aren't a democrat then you're a Republican. And you guys got us in this message. I don't blame the politicians anymore. I would favor the rich too. You don't need favoring. You vote for them even when they fuck you. Or almost as good you people reward them by not voting

With healthcare the Democrats are wrong, what we have is free premiums with people not being able to afford the deductible. See if you give people with no money health insurance and a $3500 deductible, it does them no good. So really the Democrat party was wrong. You have no proof that we were worse off, that is an opinion.

Also, it wasn't just Republicans that voted in 2010, so your blame game is also a flawed opinion.

We have more than two party's in fact there are several hundred. Just your way of not taking blame for a mess that all helped create. If you have voted either Republican or Democrat, you helped get us into this mess because you only hold the Republicans accountable.

 

[Papageorgio]

You know this, how? Got a source or just imagination?

Just look at how you Republicans attacked them during the Oscars. You guys call them Hollywood liberals.

I think 2 people in Hollywood are Republicans

They ARE Hollywood liberals. The entire motion picture industry is built on people pretending to be what and who they are not. For that, a handful of actors, producers and directors are paid huge amounts of money. Most of them are modern liberals, which of course is as far from classic liberalism as it can get. In fact, today's conservatives are closer to classic liberalism than modern liberals. Anyway, most of Hollywood does deserve a healthy dose of mocking, marginalizing, and maligning. As for being a good kind of wealthy, they are not.

They want to pay more in taxes to help the country, hater dupe. Your lying cheating bought off heroes suq.

What special kind of stupid thinks they don't employ every trick in the book to pay the least amount of taxes possible?

Why are those tricks in the book? Oh yes because poor people are the problem. Lol. It's never the rich. You can't fault who you worship.

It isn't the rich, Congress can say no to the rich, they choose to say yes. Again, both parties are to blame, yet you can't seem to blame the Democrats, because then you would have to take responsibility.

 

[Papageorgio]

You have done nothing to justify your allegations.

just hearsay and soothsay from the right wing.

three to four percent price inflation, is what the right wing has a problem with.

Apparently math isn't your strong suit. The first wrong assumption you're making is that the higher wage person has a job at all. 3-4% increased not inflation but wages is a problem if your entire business is making 5%. Are you too dumb to follow that?

Labor is a significant cost, but not the only cost a business has; any more hearsay and soothsay from the right wing?

Who on here claimed that labor was the ONLY cost a business has? I suggest you are claiming extremes to make your case, just like Nazi propagandist did.

They have to demonize and generalize. It makes them feel like they're the 'Good Guy' in this. But in reality, they're the Bad Guy. They'll say and do anything to justify mistreating fellow Americans. They believe that 'Evil Lazy Welfare' Boogeyman is hiding under their beds. It's greedy delusional propaganda.

There are lazy Americans, those that live on and for welfare, I have met them however, there are those that need a chance, and need to take advantage of programs that are offered. I have no issue with welfare, it is there for those that need temporary help. It isn't there for long term, like many have made it.

 

[Papageorgio]

Do you believe Republicans are going to bring prices down?

the only way to bring the price of medical costs down is to let the public know what the costs are in the first place.

The single biggest scam is the hiding of the costs. No one knows what medical care costs up front so they can't make informed decisions on where to get care

And you believe Republicans are going to solve this?

where did I ever say that?

and I don't know how many times I have to tell you before it sinks into your thick skull that I am not nor have I ever been a reublican

I always thought of skullpilot as a con/rep. What are you?

I am completely unaffiliated.

I can't help it if you can only see the world in 2 dimensions

I agree, I lean conservative, however I am not a Republican.

 

[Papageorgio]

More BS! A doctors visit is $75-$100, then you have tests and blood work which can jump up to a couple hundred bucks. The poor and middle class don't have that money to throw around. An MRI, an x-ray, you get referred to another doctor, that isn't cheap. What imaginary world do you live in?

Do you believe Republicans are going to bring prices down?

the only way to bring the price of medical costs down is to let the public know what the costs are in the first place.

The single biggest scam is the hiding of the costs. No one knows what medical care costs up front so they can't make informed decisions on where to get care

And you believe Republicans are going to solve this?

where did I ever say that?

and I don't know how many times I have to tell you before it sinks into your thick skull that I am not nor have I ever been a reublican

You just vote for them. lol. Or their puppets.

Do you believe the crap you spew?

 

[Dschrute3]

just hearsay and soothsay from the right wing.

three to four percent price inflation, is what the right wing has a problem with.

Apparently math isn't your strong suit. The first wrong assumption you're making is that the higher wage person has a job at all. 3-4% increased not inflation but wages is a problem if your entire business is making 5%. Are you too dumb to follow that?

Labor is a significant cost, but not the only cost a business has; any more hearsay and soothsay from the right wing?

Who on here claimed that labor was the ONLY cost a business has? I suggest you are claiming extremes to make your case, just like Nazi propagandist did.

They have to demonize and generalize. It makes them feel like they're the 'Good Guy' in this. But in reality, they're the Bad Guy. They'll say and do anything to justify mistreating fellow Americans. They believe that 'Evil Lazy Welfare' Boogeyman is hiding under their beds. It's greedy delusional propaganda.

There are lazy Americans, those that live on and for welfare, I have met them however, there are those that need a chance, and need to take advantage of programs that are offered. I have no issue with welfare, it is there for those that need temporary help. It isn't there for long term, like many have made it.

There will always be some abuses. That's just the way it is. Let's pay our Workers better, and less of them will need to rely on Government Entitlements to survive. It's a wise investment. It'll pay off.

 

[danielpalos]

And our current Minimum Wage is an absolute embarrassment. We can and should do much better.

You have done nothing to justify your allegations.

just hearsay and soothsay from the right wing.

three to four percent price inflation, is what the right wing has a problem with.

Apparently math isn't your strong suit. The first wrong assumption you're making is that the higher wage person has a job at all. 3-4% increased not inflation but wages is a problem if your entire business is making 5%. Are you too dumb to follow that?

Labor is a significant cost, but not the only cost a business has; any more hearsay and soothsay from the right wing?

Labor is often THE largest expense

so what; it is not the only expense, and it is a minimum wage not an autoworkers' wage.

 

[danielpalos]

Anytime you propose helping struggling Americans out, greedy white Republican dude loses it and goes into loony 'Sky is Falling-Mode.' And that's interesting, because they have the exact opposite reaction when it comes to giving the filthy rich their breaks. Says everything about them, no?

Sure does. It says we believe that when a person makes money, they should be allowed to keep it vs forcing somebody to overpay their help.

it is about privatizing costs, not socializing costs; you cannot have it both ways, except in right wing fantasy.

 

[danielpalos]

And then there's the horse who never gets a decent bite of the carrot and falls down dead from exhaustion. But by God, that horse had self-respect!

The part you can't see is that people come here barely speaking the language and do well. some very well. If you can't get a decent bite of the carrot it's not the carrot's fault. It means you lived life as a victim in a land of opportunity.

Bullshit. Of course it's not the carrot's fault; it's the fault of the asshole dangling the carrot just out of reach.

Like I said, it isn't out of reach if you pry your lazy ass off the couch. Foreigners come here and pass up the slackers.

tell that to our "slacker legislators" who make junk laws, and then criminalize, junk bonds.

 

[danielpalos]

no we're not and our so called poor do not have it any worse than the so called poor in any other first world nation and they have it far far better than the actual poor in third world countries

Have you ever been to a third world country I wonder. I have and I have seen real poverty and we don't have it

and I do not think there is anything special about me I'm just an average guy who had a plan and followed it. I always knew that I was responsible for my own life and didn't depend on a job or anyone else to provide what I needed. I did whatever it took to work my plan. At 16 I got a job and worked 38 hours a week my last 3 years of HS because I knew I would need the money because no one was going to pay for my college but me summers I worked 2 jobs while my friends were hanging around doing nothing and begging their parents for spending money

and so what if people take extraordinary effort for a few years to get something better?
I kept the full time night job until I was in my late 30s. I worked full time during the day as well. Still managed to get a second degree and an MBA My wife worked almost as much we saved every cent from my day job and her 30 hour a week part time job for 10 years. We opened a business had plenty of capital and didn't have to go very deep in debt to do it. I kept the night job for the first 3 years our business was opened we both worked upwards of 90 hours a week for the first 5 years we were open

we put the work in up front and now work less than 40 hours a week each in a couple more years I'll be working about 20 I'll be semi retired by the time I'm 52 and the business will continue to pay us very well.

no one and I mean no one who ever accomplished anything worth while in a career only ever worked just 40 hours a week.

So when people whine they don't make enough money while they're buying 10 dollar coffees and smoking a pack a day I tune them out

So, you can do it, anyone can?

That's specious reasoning.

And don't sell yourself short; you apparently have put in extraordinary effort, and lacked lots of sleep.

the right wing has nothing but fallacy, and that is why they argue, nothing but fantasy.

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages; why cannot every modern capitalist, do the same? why expect more from the poor, than they can do themselves.