Restaurants are adding labor surcharges to help offset minimum wage increases

[francoHFW]

And then there's the horse who never gets a decent bite of the carrot and falls down dead from exhaustion. But by God, that horse had self-respect!

The part you can't see is that people come here barely speaking the language and do well. some very well. If you can't get a decent bite of the carrot it's not the carrot's fault. It means you lived life as a victim in a land of opportunity.

Bullshit. Of course it's not the carrot's fault; it's the fault of the asshole dangling the carrot just out of reach.

The only people the carrot is out of reach for are those physically or mentally disabled, and we take care of those people. Everybody else? It's up to you if you want that carrot or a bushel of carrots.

I would have more confidence in the sincerity of the right, if corporate welfare did not exist in modern times. why not end that, first?

Why would I want to end people keeping more of their very own money? DumBama had two years with a Democrat led Congress to do whatever he desired. Why didn't he end it?

The hell he did, dupe, he had 24 days in session without the GOP filibustering everything, dupe. And btw, the middle of a corrupt GOP world meltdown is NOT THE TIME TO RAISE TAXES. Idiot.

 

[francoHFW]

In the political arena, the rich and their conservative (duped) allies from the middle class have always blamed the poor for the nation's problems. That will never change.

The funny thing is, you said that like you believed it.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

 

[hadit]

In the political arena, the rich and their conservative (duped) allies from the middle class have always blamed the poor for the nation's problems. That will never change.

The funny thing is, you said that like you believed it.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Now where did I complain about the victims? Look in the mirror.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The part you can't see is that people come here barely speaking the language and do well. some very well. If you can't get a decent bite of the carrot it's not the carrot's fault. It means you lived life as a victim in a land of opportunity.

Bullshit. Of course it's not the carrot's fault; it's the fault of the asshole dangling the carrot just out of reach.

The only people the carrot is out of reach for are those physically or mentally disabled, and we take care of those people. Everybody else? It's up to you if you want that carrot or a bushel of carrots.

I would have more confidence in the sincerity of the right, if corporate welfare did not exist in modern times. why not end that, first?

Why would I want to end people keeping more of their very own money? DumBama had two years with a Democrat led Congress to do whatever he desired. Why didn't he end it?

The hell he did, dupe, he had 24 days in session without the GOP filibustering everything, dupe. And btw, the middle of a corrupt GOP world meltdown is NOT THE TIME TO RAISE TAXES. Idiot.

Yeah, and DumBama did it anyway.

 

[danielpalos]

just hearsay and soothsay from the right wing.

three to four percent price inflation, is what the right wing has a problem with.

Apparently math isn't your strong suit. The first wrong assumption you're making is that the higher wage person has a job at all. 3-4% increased not inflation but wages is a problem if your entire business is making 5%. Are you too dumb to follow that?

Labor is a significant cost, but not the only cost a business has; any more hearsay and soothsay from the right wing?

Labor is often THE largest expense

so what; it is not the only expense, and it is a minimum wage not an autoworkers' wage.

If your largest single expense on the books becomes even more expensive what do you think has to happen to prices?

Now if all you vendors have their labor expense go up what to you think it will do the the prices of all the stuff you buy to run your business?

If your labor costs and the costs of all the stuff you buy to run your business go up what do you have to do ?

I already told you; three to four percent inflation. the dollar menu will not even double.

 

[francoHFW]

Bullshit. Of course it's not the carrot's fault; it's the fault of the asshole dangling the carrot just out of reach.

The only people the carrot is out of reach for are those physically or mentally disabled, and we take care of those people. Everybody else? It's up to you if you want that carrot or a bushel of carrots.

I would have more confidence in the sincerity of the right, if corporate welfare did not exist in modern times. why not end that, first?

Why would I want to end people keeping more of their very own money? DumBama had two years with a Democrat led Congress to do whatever he desired. Why didn't he end it?

The hell he did, dupe, he had 24 days in session without the GOP filibustering everything, dupe. And btw, the middle of a corrupt GOP world meltdown is NOT THE TIME TO RAISE TAXES. Idiot.

Yeah, and DumBama did it anyway.

Did WHAT anyway? You need a nap. All he did was cut payroll taxes.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Not to worry, cellblock, you can always find work in your career as fast food server.

The fact of the matter remains that the customer will pay more in order to help the fast food server earn more.

/---- I'm retired, a published author with ever increasing royalty payments, rental property owner, Continuing Education instructor, work part time for the Board of Elections and a short term option trader. I have no plans on working at a fast food restaurant unless I open one up. I won't because I'd have to hire bone head millenniums with useless college majors like Woman Studies and try to motivate them to show up and put in a days work. No thank you.

If you are retired, why are you still working?
Worthless degrees, like the one Mark Zuckerberg never got? You couldn't run a restaurant, it takes people with an open mind..Those people with worthless degrees are still humans...Even Though you think less of them..I bet there was a time you were young and dumb also...

/---- I worked in the restaurant business and it has nothing to do with an open mind. Zuckerberg graduated from Harvard so I don't know what you're yapping about. A useless degree is like Gender Studies.

 

[danielpalos]

no we're not and our so called poor do not have it any worse than the so called poor in any other first world nation and they have it far far better than the actual poor in third world countries

Have you ever been to a third world country I wonder. I have and I have seen real poverty and we don't have it

and I do not think there is anything special about me I'm just an average guy who had a plan and followed it. I always knew that I was responsible for my own life and didn't depend on a job or anyone else to provide what I needed. I did whatever it took to work my plan. At 16 I got a job and worked 38 hours a week my last 3 years of HS because I knew I would need the money because no one was going to pay for my college but me summers I worked 2 jobs while my friends were hanging around doing nothing and begging their parents for spending money

and so what if people take extraordinary effort for a few years to get something better?
I kept the full time night job until I was in my late 30s. I worked full time during the day as well. Still managed to get a second degree and an MBA My wife worked almost as much we saved every cent from my day job and her 30 hour a week part time job for 10 years. We opened a business had plenty of capital and didn't have to go very deep in debt to do it. I kept the night job for the first 3 years our business was opened we both worked upwards of 90 hours a week for the first 5 years we were open

we put the work in up front and now work less than 40 hours a week each in a couple more years I'll be working about 20 I'll be semi retired by the time I'm 52 and the business will continue to pay us very well.

no one and I mean no one who ever accomplished anything worth while in a career only ever worked just 40 hours a week.

So when people whine they don't make enough money while they're buying 10 dollar coffees and smoking a pack a day I tune them out

So, you can do it, anyone can?

That's specious reasoning.

And don't sell yourself short; you apparently have put in extraordinary effort, and lacked lots of sleep.

the right wing has nothing but fallacy, and that is why they argue, nothing but fantasy.

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages; why cannot every modern capitalist, do the same? why expect more from the poor, than they can do themselves.

nothing I said was a fallacy or a fantasy. I actually did it. You see unlike you I didn't aspire to live with my Mommy and collect welfare my entire life

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages; why cannot every modern capitalist, do the same? why expect more from the poor, than they can do themselves.

 

[francoHFW]

In the political arena, the rich and their conservative (duped) allies from the middle class have always blamed the poor for the nation's problems. That will never change.

The funny thing is, you said that like you believed it.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Now where did I complain about the victims? Look in the mirror.

The poor and middle class are the victims, dolt. We have the worst rich poor gap and upward mobility ever TODAY. Reaganism, not obstructed Obama, dupe.

 

[danielpalos]

just hearsay and soothsay from the right wing.

three to four percent price inflation, is what the right wing has a problem with.

Apparently math isn't your strong suit. The first wrong assumption you're making is that the higher wage person has a job at all. 3-4% increased not inflation but wages is a problem if your entire business is making 5%. Are you too dumb to follow that?

Labor is a significant cost, but not the only cost a business has; any more hearsay and soothsay from the right wing?

Who on here claimed that labor was the ONLY cost a business has? I suggest you are claiming extremes to make your case, just like Nazi propagandist did.

What extremes; three to four percent price inflation is what should be usual and customary; the dollar menu will not double in price.

You are arguing with the wrong person over the wrong issue. I have no problem paying more food because of higher wages. I don't want it as a surcharge, just put it into the bottom line price.

You made an issue of wages not being the only cost, I asked you to tell me who claimed it was? You as usual failed to answer, which is normal for you. You make shallow statements and fail to back up anything you claim, normal MO for you. More silliness from the shallow left.

the right wing claims, extremism in price inflation.

 

[danielpalos]

My point was not and will never be, why bother? My point is if you have to be extraordinary just to survive (not get ahead, but just to tread water) that's not a quality life. It's not about everyone being some great success. It's about rewarding a work ethic.

When I was growing up, poor people were told to "get a job." Now the working poor are told, "Tough shit, get a better job." It's moving the goal posts. Not everyone wants to get rich, but a work ethic should be rewarded.

Nobody gets rewarded just for having a good work ethic. Workers get rewarded for doing jobs that not everybody can do. If you do have a job anybody can do (work ethic or not) there is not much of a reward to be had.

The thing is businesses don't do anything different than you or I. When we use labor, we look for the cheapest labor we can.

Which is stupid. Unhappy workers are shytty workers- no wonder we have so many...Check Costco.

It's not the job of an employer to make you happy. It's the job of an employer to produce products or services for a profit.

Nobody is forced to work for minimum wage. If you need more money, don't cry for government to get you more, do it yourself.

then, stop making people on welfare work for under less than fifteen dollars an hour.

I'm not making anybody do anything. Individuals make that choice for themselves.

work for welfare. only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[francoHFW]

Not to worry, cellblock, you can always find work in your career as fast food server.

The fact of the matter remains that the customer will pay more in order to help the fast food server earn more.

/---- I'm retired, a published author with ever increasing royalty payments, rental property owner, Continuing Education instructor, work part time for the Board of Elections and a short term option trader. I have no plans on working at a fast food restaurant unless I open one up. I won't because I'd have to hire bone head millenniums with useless college majors like Woman Studies and try to motivate them to show up and put in a days work. No thank you.

If you are retired, why are you still working?
Worthless degrees, like the one Mark Zuckerberg never got? You couldn't run a restaurant, it takes people with an open mind..Those people with worthless degrees are still humans...Even Though you think less of them..I bet there was a time you were young and dumb also...

/---- I worked in the restaurant business and it has nothing to do with an open mind. Zuckerberg graduated from Harvard so I don't know what you're yapping about. A useless degree is like Gender Studies.

You think they're worthless because you're an ignorant dupe.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

In the political arena, the rich and their conservative (duped) allies from the middle class have always blamed the poor for the nation's problems. That will never change.

The funny thing is, you said that like you believed it.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Now where did I complain about the victims? Look in the mirror.

The poor and middle class are the victims, dolt. We have the worst rich poor gap and upward mobility ever TODAY. Reaganism, not obstructed Obama, dupe.

So all that money spent on the war on poverty accomplished...what exactly?

 

[danielpalos]

You mean the foreigners who are maligned by conservatives as welfare leeches? I can never figure out which narrative to apply to foreigners nowadays.

And, for the purposes of the metaphor, the carrot is always moving. You pry your lazy ass off the couch, the danger of the carrot moves a few feet further away. You start walking, he runs . You run, he sprints. You complain it's not fair, he calls you greedy and lazy.

Fuck that.

No, I didn't say what you said I said. Why lie? Conservatives have no problem with legal immigrants that earn a living, in fact many are conservatives. Liberals just can't see them because they don't fit their old rich white man template.

But you did an excellent job of illustrating the victims of life. Can't get ahead so why bother? Like I said, many are passing you up while you're feeling sorry for yourself.

My point was not and will never be, why bother? My point is if you have to be extraordinary just to survive (not get ahead, but just to tread water) that's not a quality life. It's not about everyone being some great success. It's about rewarding a work ethic.

When I was growing up, poor people were told to "get a job." Now the working poor are told, "Tough shit, get a better job." It's moving the goal posts. Not everyone wants to get rich, but a work ethic should be rewarded.

Nobody gets rewarded just for having a good work ethic. Workers get rewarded for doing jobs that not everybody can do. If you do have a job anybody can do (work ethic or not) there is not much of a reward to be had.

The thing is businesses don't do anything different than you or I. When we use labor, we look for the cheapest labor we can.

I prefer a general tax on Firms, for unemployment compensation on an at-will basis.

Yes, I know, you've said that about a hundred times, and about a hundred times I TRIED to explain to you what unemployment was, but obviously, you don't get it.

that is why. I prefer a general tax on Firms, for unemployment compensation on an at-will basis.

 

[danielpalos]

And then there's the horse who never gets a decent bite of the carrot and falls down dead from exhaustion. But by God, that horse had self-respect!

The part you can't see is that people come here barely speaking the language and do well. some very well. If you can't get a decent bite of the carrot it's not the carrot's fault. It means you lived life as a victim in a land of opportunity.

Bullshit. Of course it's not the carrot's fault; it's the fault of the asshole dangling the carrot just out of reach.

The only people the carrot is out of reach for are those physically or mentally disabled, and we take care of those people. Everybody else? It's up to you if you want that carrot or a bushel of carrots.

I would have more confidence in the sincerity of the right, if corporate welfare did not exist in modern times. why not end that, first?

Why would I want to end people keeping more of their very own money? DumBama had two years with a Democrat led Congress to do whatever he desired. Why didn't he end it?

every bailout for the rich, inspires less confidence in the sincerity of the right

 

[LeftofLeft]

BUT BUT BUT Libtards laughed when Republicans said higher minimum wages will drive up food costs.

Restaurant diners are footing the bill for rising minimum wages.

In lieu of steep menu price increases, many independent and regional chain restaurants in states including Arizona, California, Colorado and New York are adding surcharges of 3% to 4% to help offset rising labor costs. Industry analysts expect the practice to become widespread as more cities and states increase minimum wages.

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“It’s the emerging new norm,” said Sharokina Shams, spokeswoman for the California Restaurant Association. She said California restaurants are adding surcharges as the state lifts the minimum wage every year until it reaches $15 an hour by 2023. It is currently at $10.50 an hour for employers with 26 or more workers.
Restaurants are adding labor surcharges to help offset minimum wage increases

Liberals will solve that problem by taxing restaurants more that engage in such practices. Tax the fuckers out of business!

 

[danielpalos]

Why do some restaurants get away with paying less, due to tips? It should only matter for tax purposes.

 

[Papageorgio]

They ARE Hollywood liberals. The entire motion picture industry is built on people pretending to be what and who they are not. For that, a handful of actors, producers and directors are paid huge amounts of money. Most of them are modern liberals, which of course is as far from classic liberalism as it can get. In fact, today's conservatives are closer to classic liberalism than modern liberals. Anyway, most of Hollywood does deserve a healthy dose of mocking, marginalizing, and maligning. As for being a good kind of wealthy, they are not.

They want to pay more in taxes to help the country, hater dupe. Your lying cheating bought off heroes suq.

What special kind of stupid thinks they don't employ every trick in the book to pay the least amount of taxes possible?

Why are those tricks in the book? Oh yes because poor people are the problem. Lol. It's never the rich. You can't fault who you worship.

It isn't the rich, Congress can say no to the rich, they choose to say yes. Again, both parties are to blame, yet you can't seem to blame the Democrats, because then you would have to take responsibility.

Maybe because they've been trying to raise taxes on the rich for 30 years, dupe. Keep voting for bought off lying cheating brainwashers.

Already gave several links showing that Democrats are just as giving to the rich as the Republicans. Why they heck are you being duped by Congress, Democrats and Republicans? I didn't vote for a Republican or Democrat incumbent, you are the problem because you support a party that sold you out in the 90's and to prove how stupid you are, you will continue to vote for them. Congrats!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They want to pay more in taxes to help the country, hater dupe. Your lying cheating bought off heroes suq.

What special kind of stupid thinks they don't employ every trick in the book to pay the least amount of taxes possible?

Why are those tricks in the book? Oh yes because poor people are the problem. Lol. It's never the rich. You can't fault who you worship.

It isn't the rich, Congress can say no to the rich, they choose to say yes. Again, both parties are to blame, yet you can't seem to blame the Democrats, because then you would have to take responsibility.

Maybe because they've been trying to raise taxes on the rich for 30 years, dupe. Keep voting for bought off lying cheating brainwashers.

Already gave several links showing that Democrats are just as giving to the rich as the Republicans. Why they heck are you being duped by Congress, Democrats and Republicans? I didn't vote for a Republican or Democrat incumbent, you are the problem because you support a party that sold you out in the 90's and to prove how stupid you are, you will continue to vote for them. Congrats!

People like Franko are brainwashed by their puppet masters. Through brainwashing, they have managed to convince them that Republicans are in bed with the rich, racist, homophobes, and most of all, uneducated.

As they saying goes, if you repeat a lie often enough, eventually people will believe it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why do some restaurants get away with paying less, due to tips? It should only matter for tax purposes.

Because servers make out pretty good with tips, and in fact, make most of their income that way.

My mother was a waitress at Denny's. My niece is now doing the same job at a better restaurant. Both have made out pretty well in spite of the hard work. One of my former tenants used to be a server at an upper-scale restaurant. He brought home more in one night in tips than I used to make in a week. HIs tips per table were anywhere from $75.00 to $200.00. Granted, he had to spend a lot of time per table, but hell, think of the cash money if you only served five or six tables a night?