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We try that as well, and the people here dont seem to like it. How many times are people given rehab as a punishment instead of jail the first - thrid times they are caught with drugs?
Rehab is just not for rich people, there are plenty of court mandated programs out there.
We cannot compare our system to Europe.
Horseshit. Poor people usualy end up in prison on the first offense. Heck, there are people in prison because they won't rat out their boyfriends.
Again, the problem is, someone has figured out how to make money on prisons. It's the ultimate in Corporate Welfare. The taxpayers pay a bundle building the prisons, and big corporations make money off the cheap labor and services.
The problem is that we let the rich keep too much of their money and have too much influence in politics.
The only people who get actually get locked up for pot nowadays are those trafficking in it or selling it.
They are drug dealers, pure and simple, and thus not what I would call a "nothing" crime.
The whole war on drugs is an absolute absurdity, and the kind of big-government horseshit that "conservatives" should be against on principle.
It is a nothing crime. And drug offenses make up half the prison population.
But again, the goal is to create a powerless workforce that can be easily exploited, not actually doing the business of justice.
Actually the goal is to prevent some junkie from boosting my car stereo when he needs his fix.
We can scale back the drug war, but certain drugs need to remain illegal. Either that or the users have to agree to be placed in some isolated area and do the crap until they are dead.
Actually, we should do what the Europeans do. Treat drug addiction like a medical problem. Instead of locking up that junkie, we need to treat him.
Oh,wait. That's not the "conservative" way.
If you are a rich Junkie like Rush Limbaugh, or Cindy McCain, you get rehab and sweetheart deals from the courts.
If you are a poor junkie, you get prison time.
I don't know which I like more.....your campaigning for druggies or commies.....
Here is my solution to the drug problem:
1. Confiscation of drugs via police action.....
2. Adulteration of the drugs with a chemical which, over time, turns the skin green.
3. Recirculation....sell the drugs via undercover agents....the sale would support the program so drug users, rather than taxpayers, support it.
4. Arrest the green people.
Problem solved.
I may have to run the idea through the NAAGP....
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We try that as well, and the people here dont seem to like it. How many times are people given rehab as a punishment instead of jail the first - thrid times they are caught with drugs?
Rehab is just not for rich people, there are plenty of court mandated programs out there.
We cannot compare our system to Europe.
Horseshit. Poor people usualy end up in prison on the first offense. Heck, there are people in prison because they won't rat out their boyfriends.
Again, the problem is, someone has figured out how to make money on prisons. It's the ultimate in Corporate Welfare. The taxpayers pay a bundle building the prisons, and big corporations make money off the cheap labor and services.
The problem is that we let the rich keep too much of their money and have too much influence in politics.
My brother is a DA, and someone regardless of social status is not going to jail the first time they get caught with a joint in thier pocket. The only time you get prison for the 1st offense is major trafficking, or there was a violent crime attached to said joint in the pocket.
and here we go with the communist rant, it all relates back to that doesnt it?
Horseshit. Poor people usualy end up in prison on the first offense. Heck, there are people in prison because they won't rat out their boyfriends.
Again, the problem is, someone has figured out how to make money on prisons. It's the ultimate in Corporate Welfare. The taxpayers pay a bundle building the prisons, and big corporations make money off the cheap labor and services.
The problem is that we let the rich keep too much of their money and have too much influence in politics.
My brother is a DA, and someone regardless of social status is not going to jail the first time they get caught with a joint in thier pocket. The only time you get prison for the 1st offense is major trafficking, or there was a violent crime attached to said joint in the pocket.
and here we go with the communist rant, it all relates back to that doesnt it?
Yawn. Yup, if you think the rich exploit the poor, you must be a communist.
Same question. Why didn't LImbaugh go to prison for his drug crimes, but a lot of poor kids did?
My brother is a DA, and someone regardless of social status is not going to jail the first time they get caught with a joint in thier pocket. The only time you get prison for the 1st offense is major trafficking, or there was a violent crime attached to said joint in the pocket.
and here we go with the communist rant, it all relates back to that doesnt it?
Yawn. Yup, if you think the rich exploit the poor, you must be a communist.
Same question. Why didn't LImbaugh go to prison for his drug crimes, but a lot of poor kids did?
If Limbaugh should go to prison for doctor shopping,....
....does that mean you believe that Holder should go to prison for judge shopping?
...and, which hurt America more?
Yawn. Yup, if you think the rich exploit the poor, you must be a communist.
Same question. Why didn't LImbaugh go to prison for his drug crimes, but a lot of poor kids did?
If Limbaugh should go to prison for doctor shopping,....
....does that mean you believe that Holder should go to prison for judge shopping?
...and, which hurt America more?
Why are you trying to change the subject?
As far as America, I could give a fuck about either.
But here's the thing. Limbaugh abused drugs. After years and years of calling drug addicts all sorts of horrible names, including Kurt Cobain after his death, the fat hypocrite became an addict himself, and apparently gained no interspection.
As for Holder, he did EXACTLY what Congress told him to do. Find the source of that leak.
Not seeing what your problem here is, other than "the Black Guy Did It".
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1. "Why are you trying to change the subject?"
Who was the dope who brought up Limbaugh?
Oh...yeah...you did.
So...that was the subject, wasn't it.
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2. "...Limbaugh abused drugs. After years and years of calling drug addicts all sorts of horrible names, including Kurt Cobain after his death, the fat hypocrite became an addict himself, and apparently gained no interspection (sic)."
So....hypocrisy is the subject?
Great.
What could be more hypocritical than the chief of the Department of Justice lying, and refusing to enforce laws unless the victim belonged to a 'protected' class?
Holder is pretty much the personification of hypocrisy.
Glad you brought it up.
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3. "Not seeing what your problem here is, other than "the Black Guy Did It".
Shocking! Erroneous Joe now has a new incarnation race card croupier
You don't really believe that that charge frightened me....do you?
If so, you show worse judgment that Rudolph Hess parachuting into Scotland.
No I disagree. Justice means a Fair Trial.
Vengeance is running the Guilty through a Wood Chipper, which I have no problem doing in some cases.
I think where people go wrong is that they confuse "Justice", "Punishment", Law and Order" and "Torture" and mix them all up.
There's a reason that the Trial and Sentencing phases are separated.
The whole idea of a criminal legal system is to remove the criminal act from being against a person to being against the people as a whole. That is why criminal prosecution is State v. criminal not Victim v. criminal.
That being said, the system only works if the victims or victim's relatives in the case of death are satisfied that "justice" is done. Punishment will always include a portion of vengence as the people hurt by the criminal need to accept that the punishment meted out to the criminal meets thier need for closure.
If the victims side is not adequately placated on a consistent basis, then you get the possibility of vigilante justice.
1. "The whole idea of a criminal legal system is to remove the criminal act from being against a person to being against the people as a whole."
Actually, Prosecutor Hogan, one of the panelists, says quite the opposite.
She claims that she is the voice of the injured individual, and she is the one who suggested that statutes stand in the way of allowing her to bring the system closer to the wishes of the victim.
2. "If the victims side is not adequately placated on a consistent basis, then you get the possibility of vigilante justice."
Lot of truth there.
The system is too criminal-centered, and should be more victim-centered.
