Revised: Objective proof of demonstrable harm ... Marriage/Same sex

[Valerie]

Well what you're waiting for, is not something which is not within the scope of thise discussion...

Which is a result of your inability to reason; your stark intellectual limitations which preclude your means to comprehend well reasoned argument; argument which is being advanced in direct response to your addle-minded drivel...

Thus your cognitive deficiency which prevents you from advancing a well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument; is all that is missing from our little discussion... and the wait for your cognitive means to increase sufficiently to provide for such is beyond the scope of viability for forums such as this; as well as the lifespan of our species...

Now where one may be waiting for my last response... which you read and CHOSE TO IGNORE... for obvious reasons... here is the link to that response, which was posted just this very morning:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...le-harm-marriage-same-sex-12.html#post1219853

You must first present a well reasoned argument, something I have yet to see you do, instead of the conceptual frittata you seem predisposed to. When seen in psychotic patients, it is called "flight o f ideas".

And with THAT... the SIXTH failure to engage the argument...

THE BULLY CONCEDES THE DEBATE IN EARNEST... and given she's proven herself intellectually impotent... she's earned her spot in the ignore bin.

So how come you could never answer to my first post where I pointed out the flaw of your premise in the OP?

 

[Valerie]

Post # 13 on page one, which you ignored.

There's a problem with your premise.

 

[Valerie]

I've just gone back over the thread and I've accounted for every post... post for post and there's no evidence beyond the previously noted chronic obfuscations...

If you've noticed no one is even bothering to have this discussion with you. And it's not because you make a convincing argument. You skipped my post which points out that your premise is flawed and your subsequent posts are all over the road.

Good luck with that moving target.

For two days I've been eating popcorn and watching youtube videos as you chase post after post and follow your moving target in an effort to be "right". Yet you continue to ignore the flaw in your premise, throw punches in the air and delude yourself that those who disagree with you are all the evil liberals you fear so much.

Don't kid yourself. Your argument is flawed and you have proven nothing.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I've just gone back over the thread and I've accounted for every post... post for post and there's no evidence beyond the previously noted chronic obfuscations...

If you've noticed no one is even bothering to have this discussion with you. And it's not because you make a convincing argument. You skipped my post which points out that your premise is flawed and your subsequent posts are all over the road.

Good luck with that moving target.

For two days I've been eating popcorn and watching youtube videos as you chase post after post and follow your moving target in an effort to be "right". Yet you continue to ignore the flaw in your premise, throw punches in the air and delude yourself that those who disagree with you are all the evil liberals you fear so much.

Don't kid yourself. Your argument is flawed and you have proven nothing.

I responded to your post when I returned to the thread...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ble-harm-marriage-same-sex-7.html#post1213417

This will go a LOT faster if you just post a well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument, or as close as you can manage; instead of wasting all this effort to be cute...

 

[Valerie]

If you've noticed no one is even bothering to have this discussion with you. And it's not because you make a convincing argument. You skipped my post which points out that your premise is flawed and your subsequent posts are all over the road.

Good luck with that moving target.

For two days I've been eating popcorn and watching youtube videos as you chase post after post and follow your moving target in an effort to be "right". Yet you continue to ignore the flaw in your premise, throw punches in the air and delude yourself that those who disagree with you are all the evil liberals you fear so much.

Don't kid yourself. Your argument is flawed and you have proven nothing.

I responded to your post when I returned to the thread...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ble-harm-marriage-same-sex-7.html#post1213417

This will go a LOT faster if you just post a well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument, or as close as you can manage; instead of all this effort to be cute...

What makes you think I'm trying to be cute? Try posting a coherent well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid OP. Don't delude yourself, is all I'm saying.

I posted my points on this subject in Yurt's thread. He wasn't raving mad and all over the road with his argument like you were, you should really check it out.

 

[Valerie]

If you've noticed no one is even bothering to have this discussion with you. And it's not because you make a convincing argument. You skipped my post which points out that your premise is flawed and your subsequent posts are all over the road.

Good luck with that moving target.

For two days I've been eating popcorn and watching youtube videos as you chase post after post and follow your moving target in an effort to be "right". Yet you continue to ignore the flaw in your premise, throw punches in the air and delude yourself that those who disagree with you are all the evil liberals you fear so much.

Don't kid yourself. Your argument is flawed and you have proven nothing.

I responded to your post when I returned to the thread...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ble-harm-marriage-same-sex-7.html#post1213417

This will go a LOT faster if you just post a well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument, or as close as you can manage; instead of wasting all this effort to be cute...

Your link goes back to a post by Bullypulpit.


Let me ask you this, PI...You're sporting an American flag in your avatar.

Do you believe in personal freedom???

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

For two days I've been eating popcorn and watching youtube videos as you chase post after post and follow your moving target in an effort to be "right". Yet you continue to ignore the flaw in your premise, throw punches in the air and delude yourself that those who disagree with you are all the evil liberals you fear so much.

Don't kid yourself. Your argument is flawed and you have proven nothing.

I responded to your post when I returned to the thread...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ble-harm-marriage-same-sex-7.html#post1213417

This will go a LOT faster if you just post a well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument, or as close as you can manage; instead of all this effort to be cute...

What makes you think I'm trying to be cute?

Your alluding to a post which you declared was ignored, and your returning after being proven wrong, with no further interests in a point which was soundly refuted.

Try posting a coherent well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid OP. Don't delude yourself, is all I'm saying.

What you're saying, is that you're desperate to IMPLY a point... and to avoid clear and unambiguous variety.

And given that you've chosen to avoid striking clear and unambiguous point... your concession is duly noted and summarily ACCEPTED.

(Notice how she is no longer interested in the farce that her post was ignored...

 

[Valerie]

I responded to your post when I returned to the thread...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ble-harm-marriage-same-sex-7.html#post1213417

This will go a LOT faster if you just post a well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument, or as close as you can manage; instead of all this effort to be cute...

What makes you think I'm trying to be cute?

Your alluding to a post which you declared was ignored, and your returning after being proven wrong, with no further interests in a point which was soundly refuted.

Try posting a coherent well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid OP. Don't delude yourself, is all I'm saying.

What you're saying, is that you're desperate to IMPLY a point... and to avoid clear and unambiguous variety.

And given that you've chosen to avoid striking clear and unambiguous point... your concession is duly noted and summarily ACCEPTED.

(Notice how she is no longer interested in the farce that her post was ignored...

Who are you talking to anyway?

READ WHAT I WROTE................then reply.

Your link goes back to someone else's post. You want to imagine a concession, that's up to you. I'm telling you there's a flaw in the premise of your OP and your argument is all over the road ever since. You get emotional, I understand.

In order to simplify, I ask...Do you believe in personal freedom?

Further, I ask...Do you even comprehend marriage laws?

 

[KittenKoder]

Thank God most people have the common sense to know right from wrong. Thank God most people don't buy this MORONIC idea that if DOGS lick each others ASSES, then HUMANS SHOULD TOO! How STUPID does one have to be to try and forward such an IDIOTIC idea? I would HATE to see what kind of a world we'd live in if a person that believes THAT crap actually got the power to make it so. People might as well take up residence in their TOILET!

Well that's easy…

It's not the perfect illustration, but it's close enough...

Now if one needs to know what such would realize... here's what happens when a culture becomes weak and unsustainable. Just remember, THIS was a tiny little group of a few dozen determined individuals and NOT a determined, organized, capable sovereign nation:

Now I shall call you scum, because that's just really wrong in so many ways.

ROFL... Scum?

Well Ok... of course that will require you cite one 'way' which you feel warrants the denigration... and yes... when you fail to cite one reasonable basis for it, you will concede, by default that you're an addle-minded leftist who's prone to knee-jerk ad populum rants, of the flaccid variety.

But "BEST OF LUCK" with that...

So we find YET ANOTHER of the advocates of sexual deviancy who've come to avoid the argument in support of impotent appeals to what they erroneously 'feel' is a popularly held position... OKA: Mythical Conventional Wisdom... proving conclusively that the ideological left's drive to normalize sexual deviancy is built on absolutely NOTHING, but cliches, platitudes and LIES.

Great job Kitten...

The people who did the 9-11 attack were ones that, like you, hated freedom and gays. So, do you admit you are another terrorists?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

For two days I've been eating popcorn and watching youtube videos as you chase post after post and follow your moving target in an effort to be "right". Yet you continue to ignore the flaw in your premise, throw punches in the air and delude yourself that those who disagree with you are all the evil liberals you fear so much.

Don't kid yourself. Your argument is flawed and you have proven nothing.

I responded to your post when I returned to the thread...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ble-harm-marriage-same-sex-7.html#post1213417

This will go a LOT faster if you just post a well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument, or as close as you can manage; instead of wasting all this effort to be cute...

Your link goes back to a post by Bullypulpit.


Let me ask you this, PI...You're sporting an American flag in your avatar.

Do you believe in personal freedom???

You're a liar... the link goes back to post #94; directed to you and the aforementioned, now long discredited poser...

Yes, I am all about the personal freedom... the bed-rock, immutable human rights which provide for such and the inherent responsibilities which sustain them.

Look Val... I can see that you cling to a self image wherein you see yourself as a real sharpy... and while I'm sure that you're right about that; you'd be doing that self image a big favor by getting to the point.

 

[KittenKoder]

PI supports Muslims and their beliefs ... it's simple, he's a terrorist.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

What makes you think I'm trying to be cute?

Your alluding to a post which you declared was ignored, and your returning after being proven wrong, with no further interests in a point which was soundly refuted.

Try posting a coherent well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid OP. Don't delude yourself, is all I'm saying.

What you're saying, is that you're desperate to IMPLY a point... and to avoid clear and unambiguous variety.

And given that you've chosen to avoid striking clear and unambiguous point... your concession is duly noted and summarily ACCEPTED.

(Notice how she is no longer interested in the farce that her post was ignored...

Who are you talking to anyway?

READ WHAT I WROTE................then reply.

Your link goes back to someone else's post. You want to imagine a concession, that's up to you. I'm telling you there's a flaw in the premise of your OP and your argument is all over the road ever since. You get emotional, I understand.

In order to simplify, I ask...Do you believe in personal freedom?

Further, I ask...Do you even comprehend marriage laws?

The link goes back to post #94...

I've just gone back over the thread and I've accounted for every post... post for post and there's no evidence beyond the previously noted chronic obfuscations...

If you've noticed no one is even bothering to have this discussion with you. And it's not because you make a convincing argument. You skipped my post which points out that your premise is flawed and your subsequent posts are all over the road.

Good luck with that moving target.

LOL...

Whuh?

I didn't see your post, which is why I didn't respond to it; and that you held it up as something worthy of skipping is... well... here it is...

There's a problem with your premise.

Who's asking to "raise their status to normal" ?

Oh, just the whole of the homosexual advocacy; just the entire 'gay marriage cartel; the full force of the ideological left which is demanding such with no less fervor than AGW and Abortion Rights... Just the Democrat Party of the United States... that's all...

Was there anything else?

Would ya like to enquire as to 'who is advocating for Socialism? Or who's producing CO2 in the normal course of their existance? Any other stunning intellectual counter-points boiling away over there Val?

Now that's as simple as I can make it for you...

Should you fail to bring a lucid point in your next response, you'll be sent to ignore with the rest of the idiots.

 

[KittenKoder]

Your alluding to a post which you declared was ignored, and your returning after being proven wrong, with no further interests in a point which was soundly refuted.



What you're saying, is that you're desperate to IMPLY a point... and to avoid clear and unambiguous variety.

And given that you've chosen to avoid striking clear and unambiguous point... your concession is duly noted and summarily ACCEPTED.

(Notice how she is no longer interested in the farce that her post was ignored...

Who are you talking to anyway?

READ WHAT I WROTE................then reply.

Your link goes back to someone else's post. You want to imagine a concession, that's up to you. I'm telling you there's a flaw in the premise of your OP and your argument is all over the road ever since. You get emotional, I understand.

In order to simplify, I ask...Do you believe in personal freedom?

Further, I ask...Do you even comprehend marriage laws?

The link goes back to post #94...

LOL...

Whuh?

I didn't see your post, which is why I didn't respond to it; and that you held it up as something worthy of skipping is... well... here it is...

There's a problem with your premise.

Who's asking to "raise their status to normal" ?

Oh, just the whole of the homosexual advocacy; just the entire 'gay marriage cartel; the full force of the ideological left which is demanding such with no less fervor than AGW and Abortion Rights... Just the Democrat Party of the United States... that's all...

Was there anything else?

Would ya like to enquire as to 'who is advocating for Socialism? Or who's producing CO2 in the normal course of their existance? Any other stunning intellectual counter-points boiling away over there Val?

Now that's as simple as I can make it for you...

Should you fail to bring a lucid point in your next response, you'll be sent to ignore with the rest of the idiots.

Why are you continuing to support terrorists?

 

[Valerie]

I responded to your post when I returned to the thread...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ble-harm-marriage-same-sex-7.html#post1213417

This will go a LOT faster if you just post a well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument, or as close as you can manage; instead of wasting all this effort to be cute...

Your link goes back to a post by Bullypulpit.


Let me ask you this, PI...You're sporting an American flag in your avatar.

Do you believe in personal freedom???

You're a liar... the link goes back to post #94; directed to you and the aforementioned, now long discredited poser...

Yes, I am all about the personal freedom... the bed-rock, immutable human rights which provide for such and the inherent responsibilities which sustain it.

Look Val... I can see that you cling to a self image wherein you see yourself as a real sharpy... and while I'm sure that you're right about that; you'd be doing that self image a big favor by getting to the point.

Wow. Does this BS usually work for you around here?

It goes back to post #121, not that it matters. Is it so difficult to show where you responded to my post which pointed out a flaw in the premise of your OP?


Here's the link to your {well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument, or as close as you can manage}, response in post #94. Bravo for getting me to go find it.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ble-harm-marriage-same-sex-5.html#post1213417


You're all about the personal freedom? That's good to hear. Let's call it a concession. Common ground, if you will. Progress.

Now, consider the actual marriage laws as it relates to your OP and further as it relates to personal freedom.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Well that's easy…

It's not the perfect illustration, but it's close enough...

Now if one needs to know what such would realize... here's what happens when a culture becomes weak and unsustainable. Just remember, THIS was a tiny little group of a few dozen determined individuals and NOT a determined, organized, capable sovereign nation:

Now I shall call you scum, because that's just really wrong in so many ways.

ROFL... Scum?

Well Ok... of course that will require you cite one 'way' which you feel warrants the denigration... and yes... when you fail to cite one reasonable basis for it, you will concede, by default that you're an addle-minded leftist who's prone to knee-jerk ad populum rants, of the flaccid variety.

But "BEST OF LUCK" with that...

So we find YET ANOTHER of the advocates of sexual deviancy who've come to avoid the argument in support of impotent appeals to what they erroneously 'feel' is a popularly held position... OKA: Mythical Conventional Wisdom... proving conclusively that the ideological left's drive to normalize sexual deviancy is built on absolutely NOTHING, but cliches, platitudes and LIES.

Great job Kitten...

The people who did the 9-11 attack were ones that, like you, hated freedom and gays. So, do you admit you are another terrorists?

So, 9-11 was 'did' by people who spend an inordinate amount of time debating cultural issues; advancing their reasoning so that it can be compared and contrasted against those who contest it?

Really?

While I am a licensed Pilot... I am a fully practiced in the art of landing and have shown substantial skill in avoiding fixed structures, not to mention a 100% rating in getting my passengers and aircraft back on the ground safely...

What's more, I recognize that while homosexuals are abnormal, sexual deviants; and while I vehemently contest the reasoning which seeks to normalize their abnormality, I have vociferously defended their right to pursue the fulfillment of their lives and noted the responsibilities which they and I both have in our mutual right to NOT infringe upon the rights of others as we pursue the rightful fulfullment of our lives.

So I have NO IDEA on what basis your resting this farce, kitty...

Islamic terrorists see homosexuals as evil... and they see evil as that which should be destroyed... I see homosexuals as suffering under evil and that evil is to be EXPOSED; discredited and rejected... while respecting the human being which suffers under it and their human rights; TO THE POINT where that human being respects me... and my rights.

Of course I see Islamic terrorists as suffering under the SAME evil... and give them the same consideration as I do the homosexual...

The distinction is that MY REASONING... and the ideology on which it rests, does not seek to justify Islamic terrorism, promote it's interests and otherwise redirect responsibility for their actions onto those who oppose them... as you, the homosexual community and the ideology on which you respectively rest, are doing for Islamic terrorists, when you feel that such serves your purpose... which you now come to lament as GAY-HATING murderers...

Does it not strike you as odd, that the two; the homosexual movement and Islamic Terrorism... seem to have a common enemy?

I mean isn't it odd that you come to declare the terrorists are "GAY HATING MURDERERS" based upon their "GREAT SATAN" cliche speaking directly to the normalization of sexual deviancy... even while you're found elsewhere throughout this board declaring these same people as victims?

So in effect, you're defending evil on two fronts... do you not find that just a BIT bizarre; given you indisputable self image that you're a "Good Person?"

 

[KittenKoder]

ROFL... Scum?

Well Ok... of course that will require you cite one 'way' which you feel warrants the denigration... and yes... when you fail to cite one reasonable basis for it, you will concede, by default that you're an addle-minded leftist who's prone to knee-jerk ad populum rants, of the flaccid variety.

But "BEST OF LUCK" with that...

So we find YET ANOTHER of the advocates of sexual deviancy who've come to avoid the argument in support of impotent appeals to what they erroneously 'feel' is a popularly held position... OKA: Mythical Conventional Wisdom... proving conclusively that the ideological left's drive to normalize sexual deviancy is built on absolutely NOTHING, but cliches, platitudes and LIES.

Great job Kitten...

The people who did the 9-11 attack were ones that, like you, hated freedom and gays. So, do you admit you are another terrorists?

So, 9-11 was 'did' by people who spend an inordinate amount of time debating cultural issues; advancing their reasoning so that it can be compared and contrasted against those who contest it?

Really?

While I am a licensed Pilot... I am a fully practiced in the art of landing and have shown substantial skill in avoiding fixed structures, not to mention a 100% rating in getting my passengers and aircraft back on the ground safely...

What's more, I recognize that while homosexuals are abnormal, sexual deviants; and while I vehemently contest the reasoning which seeks to normalize their abnormality, I have vociferously defended their right to pursue the fulfillment of their lives and noted the responsibilities which they and I both have in our mutual right to NOT infringe upon the rights of others as we pursue the rightful fulfullment of our lives.

So I have NO IDEA on what basis your resting this farce, kitty...

Islamic terrorists see homosexuals as evil... and they see evil as that which should be destroyed... I see homosexuals as suffering under evil and that evil is to be EXPOSED; discredited and rejected... while respecting the human being which suffers under it and their human rights; TO THE POINT where that human being respects me... and my rights.

Of course I see Islamic terrorists as suffering under the SAME evil... and give them the same consideration as I do the homosexual...

The distinction is that MY REASONING... and the ideology on which it rests, does not seek to justify Islamic terrorism, promote it's interests and otherwise redirect responsibility for their actions onto those who oppose them... as you, the homosexual community and the ideology on which you respectively rest, are doing for Islamic terrorists, when you feel that such serves your purpose... which you now come to lament as GAY-HATING murderers...

Does it not strike you as odd, that the two; the homosexual movement and Islamic Terrorism... seem to have a common enemy?

I mean isn't it odd that you come to declare the terrorists are "GAY HATING MURDERERS" based upon their "GREAT SATAN" cliche speaking directly to the normalization of sexual deviancy... even while you're found elsewhere throughout this board declaring these same people as victims?

So in effect, you're defending evil on two fronts... do you not find that just a BIT bizarre; given you indisputable self image that you're a "Good Person?"

You are supporting terrorists, plain and simple. You agree with their views and advocate the same reasoning for their violence. You justify their attack. Islamic violence is against America, and because we as Americans have freedom, gay people do not attack defenseless and innocent people for disagreeing with them, such as what you have suggested on occasion. They also do not see fit to justify the hatred of others by saying "since the Islamics hate mostly christians by default, perhaps if we killed off all the christians they would stop attacking us."

 

[Toro]

You are supporting terrorists, plain and simple. You agree with their views and advocate the same reasoning for their violence. You justify their attack. Islamic violence is against America, and because we as Americans have freedom, gay people do not attack defenseless and innocent people for disagreeing with them, such as what you have suggested on occasion. They also do not see fit to justify the hatred of others by saying "since the Islamics hate mostly christians by default, perhaps if we killed off all the christians they would stop attacking us."

Islamic fundamentalist terrorists and PubliusInfinitum both agree that gay people are immoral and harm society.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Your link goes back to a post by Bullypulpit.


Let me ask you this, PI...You're sporting an American flag in your avatar.

Do you believe in personal freedom???

You're a liar... the link goes back to post #94; directed to you and the aforementioned, now long discredited poser...

Yes, I am all about the personal freedom... the bed-rock, immutable human rights which provide for such and the inherent responsibilities which sustain it.

Look Val... I can see that you cling to a self image wherein you see yourself as a real sharpy... and while I'm sure that you're right about that; you'd be doing that self image a big favor by getting to the point.

Wow. Does this BS usually work for you around here?

It goes back to post #121, not that it matters. Is it so difficult to show where you responded to my post which pointed out a flaw in the premise of your OP?


Here's the link to your {well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument, or as close as you can manage}, response in post #94. Bravo for getting me to go find it.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...ble-harm-marriage-same-sex-5.html#post1213417


You're all about the personal freedom? That's good to hear. Let's call it a concession. Common ground, if you will. Progress.

Now, consider the actual marriage laws as it relates to your OP and further as it relates to personal freedom.

Well, if you're being honest and the link I posted in my response to you is not going back to post #94, then there is a distinct technical issue, which I suspect is a result of some malfeasance on the part of a tech-savy member or a renegade mod...

I simply copied and pasted the perm-link and have tried it repeatedly since you stated that it went to another post and it went directly back to post #94 each and every time; which is why I copied and pasted the body of the text, in my last response.

Now with regard to your would-be point...

Marriage is a union between one male and one female... It serves the purpose of providing, to the extent that is possible, for a stable environment wherein they procreate and raise their offspring through the influence of both genders...

And while such does not provide for perfection; it provides for the best potential average... which will be destroyed, where such is skewed through redefining the scope to include the clinically abnormal, sexual deviant... mono-gender coupling.

 

[KittenKoder]

You are supporting terrorists, plain and simple. You agree with their views and advocate the same reasoning for their violence. You justify their attack. Islamic violence is against America, and because we as Americans have freedom, gay people do not attack defenseless and innocent people for disagreeing with them, such as what you have suggested on occasion. They also do not see fit to justify the hatred of others by saying "since the Islamics hate mostly christians by default, perhaps if we killed off all the christians they would stop attacking us."

Islamic fundamentalist terrorists and PubliusInfinitum both agree that gay people are immoral and harm society.

Yep, thus why he is a terrorist, or at least a supporter of them. He thinks more like them in so many ways, this is just the kicker.

 

[Toro]