Right vs. Left is Logic vs. Emotion

[Brain357]

Until you get really sick.

Cross that bridge when I get there, by the way insurance is not healthcare... never has been never will be

It insures you don't go broke paying for healthcare. Over 600k go bankrupt each year due to healthcare.

I don't trust insurance companies to pay, there is no reason why they would. Plus the concept of insurance/pools encourages 100% abuse

So you don't insure your car/home either?

I have zero debt, for over 20+ years. Why would I waste my money on insurance? Like I said I don't believe in the concept of insurance/pools it encourages abuse on all sides.

Over 600k people each year agree with you and go bankrupt driving up costs.

 

[Rustic]

I don't live life scared like that, worrying what might happen. Your nanny state will never help

Yes you are irresponsible and drive up costs for the responsible.

The most responsible people are the ones that practice preventative Nutritional habits....
I've never been to the hospital and my wife was only for the birth of my two daughters which I paid for out-of-pocket, you know cash like the way it used to be done.

Over 600k people each year go bankrupt.

Sounds like to me the costs are too high for medical care. Thanks to frivolous lawsuits, hi-living doctors and lawyers... lol

Grossly overpaid execs aren't helping either.

See there is no price consciousness when insurance companies are paying. People are not caring about how much heathcare costs because someone else is paying for their abuse.

 

[Rustic]

Cross that bridge when I get there, by the way insurance is not healthcare... never has been never will be

It insures you don't go broke paying for healthcare. Over 600k go bankrupt each year due to healthcare.

I don't trust insurance companies to pay, there is no reason why they would. Plus the concept of insurance/pools encourages 100% abuse

So you don't insure your car/home either?

I have zero debt, for over 20+ years. Why would I waste my money on insurance? Like I said I don't believe in the concept of insurance/pools it encourages abuse on all sides.

Over 600k people each year agree with you and go bankrupt driving up costs.

The way I look at it paying for insurance on my part is like throwing money in a pit and burning it...
I would never see a penny of it back and it would go to frivolous Wasteful purposes.

 

[Brain357]

It insures you don't go broke paying for healthcare. Over 600k go bankrupt each year due to healthcare.

I don't trust insurance companies to pay, there is no reason why they would. Plus the concept of insurance/pools encourages 100% abuse

So you don't insure your car/home either?

I have zero debt, for over 20+ years. Why would I waste my money on insurance? Like I said I don't believe in the concept of insurance/pools it encourages abuse on all sides.

Over 600k people each year agree with you and go bankrupt driving up costs.

The way I look at it paying for insurance on my part is like throwing money in a pit and burning it...
I would never see a penny of it back and it would go to frivolous Wasteful purposes.

Until you get sick. And we all do.

 

[Avatar4321]

By the way . Both sides use emotion.

Dems use compassion.

Cons use fear.

You have a strange definition of compassion.

Lying to old people about losing soc security if Republicans get elected is compassion?

Lying about Republicans killing you when we fix the health care mess you created is compassion?

Lying about global warming destroying your children to get more power for yourself is compassion?

I could go on

 

[Avatar4321]

If cons used logic they would be against the Muslim ban as there are zero attacks on US soil it would have prevented. But alas, the use their emotional fear and discrimination to think.

How is it logical to be against something that doesn't exist? May as well be against the zombie apocalypse

 

[Avatar4321]

Jimmy Kimmel's recent viral monologue is a prime example of how the left values irrational emotions over logic and reason. That is why the left supports failed ideologies such as socialism, communism, etc. Because it feels good to them. They could care less that it ends in poverty, misery, and collapse.

Jimmy Kimmel illustrated this universal truth once again when he cried during his monologue about his baby (who is ok now) and proclaimed how nobody should have to decide between saving their child's life and money (as if anyone has ever had to make that "choice"). Life saving procedures cannot be denied regardless of a person's ability to pay. In addition to that inconvenient little fact, there is this gem:
Jimmy Kimmel’s Moving Story Shows Why Private Charity Trumps Government

Those private hospitals are great, I'm sure, but they sure are more expensive than most of the population can afford. So explain to me again how our current healthcare system is accessible to all? People can't afford to visit a hospital when they've got Obamacare--their $10,000 + deductibles are prohibitive. Same with doctor's visits. Kimmel as a father has every right to tear up relating the close call his newborn went through. You guys slamming "emotion" vs. "logic" aren't doing so hot when it comes to finding an actual solution to the problem, though. More and more people can't afford to visit doctors. Fix it.

St Jude childrens hospital provides treatments for free, and they provide housing for the parents.
Supported with donations.
The difference being, conservatives give to charity, leftists do not.

St. Jude's is wonderful, but I did not know it was 100% a conservative organization. No leftists are allowed to contribute, huh? I thought it was a Mason's hospital. Am I confusing it with another one?

We all know the left hardly give anything to charity, study after study shows it. You playing stupid simply shows your level of involvement.

An obvious answer to that is because Americans most wealthy vote Republican, as that's who the GOP caters to.

Then why do almost all the wealthy support Democrats?

 

[Papageorgio]

ACA is going up in costs, every year we see it go up


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News flash: The cost of health care has been rising faster than inflation and GDP for DECADES. When the Republicans last had control of Congress and the White House, they did NOTHING about it.

Oh, wait. They did create a whole new trillion dollar government medical entitlement program, without paying for it.

News flash: It has been over SEVEN YEARS since ObamaCare was enacted. In all that time, the Republicans came up with NOTHING to replace it. They just whined and whined and whined and whined and whined and...

Theater for you rubes.

All caught up now?

You're welcome.

Newsflash! Until Obamacare the deductibles were far less. I'm at $1800 which was rare a few years ago and now is very common. I don't want it replaced, I want it gone.

Newsflash! We now have 1.3 trillion dollar healthcare program that isn't funded.

All caught up now?

And you got almost nothing for your money. Healthcare was skyrocketing long before Obamacare.

I had a $175 a month catastrophic plan. I bargained my cash payments with my doctor, I had a $3000 deductible. Life was good. Now I have over $450 a month, $1800 deductible. It is a plan I never use the insurance because I am nowhere near the deductible and I now can't bargain with my doctor.

 

[Avatar4321]

The whole premise of this thread is flawed. The use of logic and emotion occurs by all men and women whether left or right.

The problem we have is two fold:

1) we as a society are ignorant in the art of rhetoric and cannot create or recognize how to discuss things properly

2) we fail to see flaws with logical analysis

 

[Weatherman2020]

Jimmy Kimmel's recent viral monologue is a prime example of how the left values irrational emotions over logic and reason. That is why the left supports failed ideologies such as socialism, communism, etc. Because it feels good to them. They could care less that it ends in poverty, misery, and collapse.

Jimmy Kimmel illustrated this universal truth once again when he cried during his monologue about his baby (who is ok now) and proclaimed how nobody should have to decide between saving their child's life and money (as if anyone has ever had to make that "choice"). Life saving procedures cannot be denied regardless of a person's ability to pay. In addition to that inconvenient little fact, there is this gem:
Jimmy Kimmel’s Moving Story Shows Why Private Charity Trumps Government

Those private hospitals are great, I'm sure, but they sure are more expensive than most of the population can afford. So explain to me again how our current healthcare system is accessible to all? People can't afford to visit a hospital when they've got Obamacare--their $10,000 + deductibles are prohibitive. Same with doctor's visits. Kimmel as a father has every right to tear up relating the close call his newborn went through. You guys slamming "emotion" vs. "logic" aren't doing so hot when it comes to finding an actual solution to the problem, though. More and more people can't afford to visit doctors. Fix it.

St Jude childrens hospital provides treatments for free, and they provide housing for the parents.
Supported with donations.
The difference being, conservatives give to charity, leftists do not.

St. Jude's is wonderful, but I did not know it was 100% a conservative organization. No leftists are allowed to contribute, huh? I thought it was a Mason's hospital. Am I confusing it with another one?

We all know the left hardly give anything to charity, study after study shows it. You playing stupid simply shows your level of involvement.

An obvious answer to that is because Americans most wealthy vote Republican, as that's who the GOP caters to.

8 men rich as half of the world:
Gates, Amanico, Ortega, Buffet, Slim, Zuckerberg, Bloomberg.

How many greedy conservatives in there?

 

[Weatherman2020]

The whole premise of this thread is flawed. The use of logic and emotion occurs by all men and women whether left or right.

The problem we have is two fold:

1) we as a society are ignorant in the art of rhetoric and cannot create or recognize how to discuss things properly

2) we fail to see flaws with logical analysis

Actually the topic is dead on. The left run with emotion and the right do not.
For example, we all agree we hate war. So the left says there will never be a war for any reason. Conservatives say war is bad, but the situation requires it for future safety and liberty. If it was up to todays leftists, Lincoln should have conceded the secession of all of the southern states and left Europe to Hitler.

 

[danielpalos]

The whole premise of this thread is flawed. The use of logic and emotion occurs by all men and women whether left or right.

The problem we have is two fold:

1) we as a society are ignorant in the art of rhetoric and cannot create or recognize how to discuss things properly

2) we fail to see flaws with logical analysis

Actually the topic is dead on. The left run with emotion and the right do not.
For example, we all agree we hate war. So the left says there will never be a war for any reason. Conservatives say war is bad, but the situation requires it for future safety and liberty. If it was up to todays leftists, Lincoln should have conceded the secession of all of the southern states and left Europe to Hitler.

The right wing has No Thing, but fallacy induced fantasy. Let us know, when you have more than Red Herrings.

 

[Aries]

If cons used logic they would be against the Muslim ban as there are zero attacks on US soil it would have prevented. But alas, the use their emotional fear and discrimination to think.

How is it logical to be against something that doesn't exist? May as well be against the zombie apocalypse

just because it has been repeatedly blocked doesn't mean it doesn't exist...

 

[Aries]

Those private hospitals are great, I'm sure, but they sure are more expensive than most of the population can afford. So explain to me again how our current healthcare system is accessible to all? People can't afford to visit a hospital when they've got Obamacare--their $10,000 + deductibles are prohibitive. Same with doctor's visits. Kimmel as a father has every right to tear up relating the close call his newborn went through. You guys slamming "emotion" vs. "logic" aren't doing so hot when it comes to finding an actual solution to the problem, though. More and more people can't afford to visit doctors. Fix it.

St Jude childrens hospital provides treatments for free, and they provide housing for the parents.
Supported with donations.
The difference being, conservatives give to charity, leftists do not.

St. Jude's is wonderful, but I did not know it was 100% a conservative organization. No leftists are allowed to contribute, huh? I thought it was a Mason's hospital. Am I confusing it with another one?

We all know the left hardly give anything to charity, study after study shows it. You playing stupid simply shows your level of involvement.

An obvious answer to that is because Americans most wealthy vote Republican, as that's who the GOP caters to.

Then why do almost all the wealthy support Democrats?

What makes you think that?

"Financially, Republicans fare better than either Democrats or Independents, and tend to identify themselves as such. Republican candidates gain a significantly higher percentage of votes from individuals with incomes over $50,000 per year, and the advantage increases along with the income level, to a height of 63 percent of individuals earning $200,000 or more a year supporting Republicans. This level is the direct inverse of individuals earning less than $15,000 a year, who support Democrats at 63 percent and Republicans at only 36 percent."

Economic Demographics of Republicans & Conservatives

 

[Aries]

Those private hospitals are great, I'm sure, but they sure are more expensive than most of the population can afford. So explain to me again how our current healthcare system is accessible to all? People can't afford to visit a hospital when they've got Obamacare--their $10,000 + deductibles are prohibitive. Same with doctor's visits. Kimmel as a father has every right to tear up relating the close call his newborn went through. You guys slamming "emotion" vs. "logic" aren't doing so hot when it comes to finding an actual solution to the problem, though. More and more people can't afford to visit doctors. Fix it.

St Jude childrens hospital provides treatments for free, and they provide housing for the parents.
Supported with donations.
The difference being, conservatives give to charity, leftists do not.

St. Jude's is wonderful, but I did not know it was 100% a conservative organization. No leftists are allowed to contribute, huh? I thought it was a Mason's hospital. Am I confusing it with another one?

We all know the left hardly give anything to charity, study after study shows it. You playing stupid simply shows your level of involvement.

An obvious answer to that is because Americans most wealthy vote Republican, as that's who the GOP caters to.

8 men rich as half of the world:
Gates, Amanico, Ortega, Buffet, Slim, Zuckerberg, Bloomberg.

How many greedy conservatives in there?

overall, repubs are wealthier than dems. Don't know how you would try to twist that. No more alternative facts please.

 

[Avatar4321]

The whole premise of this thread is flawed. The use of logic and emotion occurs by all men and women whether left or right.

The problem we have is two fold:

1) we as a society are ignorant in the art of rhetoric and cannot create or recognize how to discuss things properly

2) we fail to see flaws with logical analysis

Actually the topic is dead on. The left run with emotion and the right do not.
For example, we all agree we hate war. So the left says there will never be a war for any reason. Conservatives say war is bad, but the situation requires it for future safety and liberty. If it was up to todays leftists, Lincoln should have conceded the secession of all of the southern states and left Europe to Hitler.

Not sure that's fair analysis at all Even assuming everyone in the left and right were identical.

In fact that use of the left/right dichotomy is in and of itself illogical.

And lets be honest here. If the right were using logic all the time trump would never have been nominated

 

[Weatherman2020]

The whole premise of this thread is flawed. The use of logic and emotion occurs by all men and women whether left or right.

The problem we have is two fold:

1) we as a society are ignorant in the art of rhetoric and cannot create or recognize how to discuss things properly

2) we fail to see flaws with logical analysis

Actually the topic is dead on. The left run with emotion and the right do not.
For example, we all agree we hate war. So the left says there will never be a war for any reason. Conservatives say war is bad, but the situation requires it for future safety and liberty. If it was up to todays leftists, Lincoln should have conceded the secession of all of the southern states and left Europe to Hitler.

Not sure that's fair analysis at all Even assuming everyone in the left and right were identical.

In fact that use of the left/right dichotomy I in and of itself illogical.

And lets be honest here. If the right were using logic all the time trump would never have been nominated

The left say all war is bad.
That is a belief based upon emotion, not thought process.

And Trump got elected because people are sick of the DC Beltway ruling class.

 

[Aries]

The whole premise of this thread is flawed. The use of logic and emotion occurs by all men and women whether left or right.

The problem we have is two fold:

1) we as a society are ignorant in the art of rhetoric and cannot create or recognize how to discuss things properly

2) we fail to see flaws with logical analysis

Actually the topic is dead on. The left run with emotion and the right do not.
For example, we all agree we hate war. So the left says there will never be a war for any reason. Conservatives say war is bad, but the situation requires it for future safety and liberty. If it was up to todays leftists, Lincoln should have conceded the secession of all of the southern states and left Europe to Hitler.

you think GOP hates war?
wow, what a dope.

 

[Weatherman2020]

St Jude childrens hospital provides treatments for free, and they provide housing for the parents.
Supported with donations.
The difference being, conservatives give to charity, leftists do not.

St. Jude's is wonderful, but I did not know it was 100% a conservative organization. No leftists are allowed to contribute, huh? I thought it was a Mason's hospital. Am I confusing it with another one?

We all know the left hardly give anything to charity, study after study shows it. You playing stupid simply shows your level of involvement.

An obvious answer to that is because Americans most wealthy vote Republican, as that's who the GOP caters to.

8 men rich as half of the world:
Gates, Amanico, Ortega, Buffet, Slim, Zuckerberg, Bloomberg.

How many greedy conservatives in there?

overall, repubs are wealthier than dems. Don't know how you would try to twist that. No more alternative facts please.

St Jude childrens hospital provides treatments for free, and they provide housing for the parents.
Supported with donations.
The difference being, conservatives give to charity, leftists do not.

St. Jude's is wonderful, but I did not know it was 100% a conservative organization. No leftists are allowed to contribute, huh? I thought it was a Mason's hospital. Am I confusing it with another one?

We all know the left hardly give anything to charity, study after study shows it. You playing stupid simply shows your level of involvement.

An obvious answer to that is because Americans most wealthy vote Republican, as that's who the GOP caters to.

8 men rich as half of the world:
Gates, Amanico, Ortega, Buffet, Slim, Zuckerberg, Bloomberg.

How many greedy conservatives in there?

overall, repubs are wealthier than dems. Don't know how you would try to twist that. No more alternative facts please.

I posted it awhile back. Something like 44 of the top 50 corporations who donate to political parties gave mostly to the Democrat party.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The whole premise of this thread is flawed. The use of logic and emotion occurs by all men and women whether left or right.

The problem we have is two fold:

1) we as a society are ignorant in the art of rhetoric and cannot create or recognize how to discuss things properly

2) we fail to see flaws with logical analysis

Actually the topic is dead on. The left run with emotion and the right do not.
For example, we all agree we hate war. So the left says there will never be a war for any reason. Conservatives say war is bad, but the situation requires it for future safety and liberty. If it was up to todays leftists, Lincoln should have conceded the secession of all of the southern states and left Europe to Hitler.

you think GOP hates war?
wow, what a dope.

I would love a revolution where we put any leftist survivors on a boat.