Right vs. Left is Logic vs. Emotion

[regent]

One of the US Founders first socialized federal projects? FIRST NATIONAL HIGHWAY CUPCAKE

A highway is not "socialism", snowflake. Neither is a police force. Neither is a fire department. Neither is any of the other desperate examples that you dimwits attempt to use as propaganda.

So what is socialism?

Haven't we been through this before, regent? And didn't you get obliterated? How have you not learned your lesson by now?!?

Just thought by now, you might know a little more about socialism. Maybe even have a definition of sorts. Keep working on it.

 

[P@triot]

Just thought by now, you might know a little more about socialism. Maybe even have a definition of sorts. Keep working on it.

That's exactly what your dumb-ass said in another thread about fascism. Then I bent you over my knee like a small child. Would you like me to add a link to that thread so that everyone in this thread can laugh at you as well?

You're entire tactic is to ask basic (idiotic) questions over and over and hope that you can trip someone up and proclaim a "gotcha" moment. But you're literally too stupid to figure out that will never work with me - even though I schooled you in the thread about fascism. I'm too educated and informed on this stuff. The fact that you haven't figured out even that much yet is priceless. Just let me know what you want to do here snowflake. If you want to do the same song and dance all over again, we can. It ends with you looking really bad, so it's no skin off of my teeth.

 

[JonKoch]

What an ignorant statement cupcake

Senate Democrats won over 23 million more votes than Republicans

We're the popular party: Senate Democrats won over 23 million more votes than Republicans

It's official: Clinton swamps Trump in popular vote
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final-count/


GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority
GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority



Study: Citizens United elected more Republicans


...And in six of the most affected states — Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, North Carolina, Ohio and Tennessee — the probability that a Republican would be elected to a state legislative seat increased by 10 percentage points or more.



In five other states — Colorado, Iowa, Texas, Wisconsin and Wyoming — Republican candidates were seven percentage points more likely to win.

WAPO
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/08/28/study-citizens-united-elected-more-republicans/?utm_term=.7c61979d4351

/---- Senate Dems may have gotten more votes because they came from Blue States with larger populations. That proves nothing. Here's some facts Spanky:
In Eight Years Barack Obama Has Obliterated the Democrat Party in ...
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Nov 9, 2016 - In 2009 Democrats held 60 seats in the US Senate. ... Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 .... Many of those precious little snowflakes have never had to work a job in their life, parents ...
Democrats lost over 1,000 seats under Obama | Fox News
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Dec 27, 2016 - The Democratic Party suffered huge losses at every level during Obama’s West Wing tenure. The grand total: a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency. ... Democratic U.S. Senate seats ...

Yes ignore the Cit United study as well as GOP gerrymandering memo cupcake. Typical righttard

Excuses excuses excuses

Socialism never has and never will make anyone's life better, but you can choose if you want. Just leave the rest of us out of it

US was Founded on socialism cupcake.....

The US was founded on a limited government, the preamble made it clear "to provide for the common defense and promote the common welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity". There is nothing stating the government would supply all of your needs, they believed in individual rights of the people, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Again, not the provision of needs towards dependency by a large empowering government over the people you are hard pressed to find facts the clearly dictate the Founders views and intention for a socialist form of government.

Good thing the Founders got rid of that "limited: states thing called the Articles of Confederation and went for the BIG FEDERAL GOV'T CONSTITUTION, WHERE THEY PUT THAT "GENERAL WELFARE" CLAUSE IN RIGHT CUPCAKE?


"All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it." Ben Franklin



BUT YOU MORONS KEEP UP YOUR FALSE PREMISES BUTTERCUP



GOV'T SHOULD LIFT THE WEAKEST UP, BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY!!!

 

[JonKoch]

We know how you fascists hate choice - but that's how it goes.

Got it buttercup, it's "choices" why the Cheeto/GOP "health care reform" (aka tax cuts for the rich), strips 23 million from health insurance???

How does tax cuts for the rich strip anyone else of anything? That's only possible if those people are parasites mooching off of the wealthy. And if they are doing that - they deserve to lose anything they are taking.

Got it Cupcake, you're not only a liar, you're ignorant too

HINT Tax cuts for the rich WITHOUT cutting spending (or as Ronnie/Dubya did, EXPLODING spending) creates debts dumb*ss

 

[JonKoch]

Private lenders not subject to congressional regulations collapsed lending standards.

Private lenders would never make risky loans if their ass was on the line for the loans. That's the beauty of pure capitalism - it flawlessly balances itself. It was only because Bill Clinton's idiotic 1997 Community Re-Investment Act forced banks to make loans they previously wouldn't make - and then incentivized them to make extremely risky loans by backing them up with Freddie and Fannie - that the housing market collapsed.

That's a fact. Collapse is what happens every time the government interferes in the private sector. But you don't care because you're only interested in government handouts like a typical selfish, greedy, progressive.

Ignore reality Cupcake


"Another form of easing facilitated the rapid rise of mortgages that didn't require borrowers to fully document their incomes. In 2006, these low- or no-doc loans comprised 81 percent of near-prime, 55 percent of jumbo, 50 percent of subprime and 36 percent of prime securitized mortgages."

Q HOLY JESUS! DID YOU JUST PROVE THAT OVER 50 % OF ALL MORTGAGES IN 2006 DIDN'T REQUIRE BORROWERS TO DOCUMENT THEIR INCOME?!?!?!?

A Yes.




Q WHO THE HELL LOANS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO PEOPLE WITHOUT CHECKING THEIR INCOMES?!?!?

A Banks.

Q WHY??!?!!!?!

A Two reasons, greed and Bush's regulators let them.


THANKS TO THE "INNOVATION CUPCAKE, THEY BUNDLED AND SOLD THOSE LOANS OFF. Keep up your BS meme on F/F, CRA, etc


The banks have known for 30 years the risks involved on the loan products they sold. This is why they lobbied so hard to allow them to sell the bad products to investors so they would not be holding the bad paper or the risks.


The developed the products like stated income stated assets then bundled them to make it appear they were blended risks and then sold them to multiple investors.


Who bought these high risk loans? Mostly pension funds and Insurances seeking higher returns who lost almost half of the pension funds value and the public that depended on those funds for retirement.




Nobody forced the big five investment banks to do what they did; they were not subject to CRA or other regulations common to depository banks. In fact, they mainly bought and sold loans rather than originate them. They did it because they thought they would make money.


WORLD WIDE SUBPRIME BUBBLE CUPCAKE, ONE CHEERED ON BY DUBYA IN THE USA

FACTS on Dubya's great recession

 

[JonKoch]

Weird YOU asked why Cheeto loved Russia more than US, I showed why cupcake, he doesn't "believe": US intel but LOVES him some Russians

Uh...no I didn't. Slyhunter asked you that in post #752. Are you finding it difficult to follow along in the thread?

Sorry Cupcake, didn't see you jumped into the thread but didn't add anything of value to it

When will you add some value to ANY thread?

You shouldn't pick your nose you stupid kid. Love how you attack others then cry like a baby when it is done in kind to you.

Sorry cupcake, I don't use ad hominems, I'm a liberal, no need to facts and history are on my side

 

[ScienceRocks]

So logic in your minds is
1. Dirty water, air and shitty standards on our food supply.
2. No regulations on the market place leading to explosive depressions every few years.
3. No education for anyone that doesn't have a few tens of thousand per year to pay for their child to go to school.
4. No investment into infrastructure be it water or roads.
5. Third world healthcare system

That my friend is right wing logic. They really do want to turn America into a third world country.

 

[JonKoch]

Capitalism died 1929; socialism has been bailing out capitalism, ever since.

Capitalism has been bailing out idiot socialism ever since. For example, the ignorant left-wing policy of the 1997 Community Re-Investment Act collapsed the housing market. Unemployment reached 10% under Barack Obama. Then America turned to conservatives in record numbers in the 2010 mid-terms and we started turning the collapse around.

We no longer have a truer, third world economy; (good) first world economies use socialism to bailout capitalism, for all of its capital worth.

Just because you want something to be true, doesn't make it true. If socialism was such a "wonder" of economic prosperity, your ass would have moved to Cuba a long time ago. Thanks for playing.

Seriously? That's the best you have? Cuba huh?


Why can't conservative learn from their past mistakes? Why do they have to keep doing the same thing over and over and getting the same results?

Harding/Coolidge 'believed in' laizze affaie economies, brought US the GOP great depression

Reagan ignored regulator warnings THAT STARTED IN 1984 and continued the deregulation of S&L's, about 90% of the S&L crisis could've been averted, IF Ronnie 'believed in' Gov't and it's regulators

TWENTY YEARS LATER, EXACTLY, the FBI started warning Dubya of an EPIDEMIC of mortgage fraud (2004) in the mortgage industry, but with resources they could stop what could be as large as the S&L crisis. Bush gutted them by 1/3rd instead

FACTS on Dubya's great recession

 

[JonKoch]

Private lenders not subject to congressional regulations collapsed lending standards.

Private lenders would never make risky loans if their ass was on the line for the loans. That's the beauty of pure capitalism - it flawlessly balances itself. It was only because Bill Clinton's idiotic 1997 Community Re-Investment Act forced banks to make loans they previously wouldn't make - and then incentivized them to make extremely risky loans by backing them up with Freddie and Fannie - that the housing market collapsed.

That's a fact. Collapse is what happens every time the government interferes in the private sector. But you don't care because you're only interested in government handouts like a typical selfish, greedy, progressive.

Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up


•The boom and bust was global. Proponents of the Big Lie ignore the worldwide nature of the housing boom and bust.


Nonbank mortgage underwriting exploded from 2001 to 2007, along with the private label securitization market, which eclipsed Fannie and Freddie during the boom. Check the mortgage origination data: The vast majority of subprime mortgages — the loans at the heart of the global crisis — were underwritten by unregulated private firms. These were lenders who sold the bulk of their mortgages to Wall Street, not to Fannie or Freddie. Indeed, these firms had no deposits, so they were not under the jurisdiction of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp or the Office of Thrift Supervision. The relative market share of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dropped from a high of 57 percent of all new mortgage originations in 2003, down to 37 percent as the bubble was developing in 2005-06.



Private lenders not subject to congressional regulations collapsed lending standards. Taking up that extra share were nonbanks selling mortgages elsewhere, not to the GSEs. Conforming mortgages had rules that were less profitable than the newfangled loans. Private securitizers — competitors of Fannie and Freddie — grew from 10 percent of the market in 2002 to nearly 40 percent in 2006. As a percentage of all mortgage-backed securities, private securitization grew from 23 percent in 2003 to 56 percent in 2006

Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up



Jun 16, 2005 - The worldwide rise in house prices is the biggest bubble in history



NEVER before have real house prices risen so fast, for so long, in so many countries. Property markets have been frothing from America, Britain and Australia to France, Spain and China. Rising property prices helped to prop up the world economy after the stockmarket bubble burst in 2000. What if the housing boom now turns to bust?


According to estimates by The Economist, the total value of residential property in developed economies rose by more than $30 trillion over the past five years, to over $70 trillion, an increase equivalent to 100% of those countries' combined GDPs.

Not only does this dwarf any previous house-price boom, it is larger than the global stockmarket bubble in the late 1990s (an increase over five years of 80% of GDP) or America's stockmarket bubble in the late 1920s (55% of GDP). In other words, it looks like the biggest bubble in history.

CRA? F/F?

In come the waves

 

[Rustic]

So logic in your minds is
1. Dirty water, air and shitty standards on our food supply.
2. No regulations on the market place leading to explosive depressions every few years.
3. No education for anyone that doesn't have a few tens of thousand per year to pay for their child to go to school.
4. No investment into infrastructure be it water or roads.
5. Third world healthcare system

That my friend is right wing logic. They really do want to turn America into a third world country.

Try growing up on an Indian reservation, that's truly Third World living. Pure socialism at its best...

 

[P@triot]

We know how you fascists hate choice - but that's how it goes.

Got it buttercup, it's "choices" why the Cheeto/GOP "health care reform" (aka tax cuts for the rich), strips 23 million from health insurance???

How does tax cuts for the rich strip anyone else of anything? That's only possible if those people are parasites mooching off of the wealthy. And if they are doing that - they deserve to lose anything they are taking.

Got it Cupcake, you're not only a liar, you're ignorant too

HINT Tax cuts for the rich WITHOUT cutting spending (or as Ronnie/Dubya did, EXPLODING spending) creates debts dumb*ss

Nice straw-man. But nobody was discussing debt, dumb shit. We were discussing healthcare and how you parasites feel entitled to the labor (and subsequent fruits of that labor) of someone else.

Again - how does cutting taxes on Person A magically strip Person B of their health insurance? It doesn't and can't unless Person B is a parasite mooching off of Person A.

 

[P@triot]

Ignore reality Cupcake

I'm sure that's your idiotic advice to everyone as that is what you do daily. However, snowflake, ignoring reality isn't healthy and it doesn't help solve problems.

 

[P@triot]

Sorry cupcake, I don't use ad hominems, I'm a liberal, no need to facts...

Oh the sweet irony of that statement...

"No need to facts" is the motto of every idiot progressive in the world.

 

[RightyTighty]

Sorry cupcake, I don't use ad hominems, I'm a liberal, no need to facts...

Oh the sweet irony of that statement...

"No need to facts" is the motto of every idiot progressive in the world.

The right-wingers love facts so much (they make them up).

 

[P@triot]

Harding/Coolidge 'believed in' laizze affaie economies, brought US the GOP great depression

Snowflake...Dumbocrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt oversaw The Great Depression. And even left-wing UCLA is on record stating that his idiotic left-wing policies prolonged it (as did his own Secretary of Treasury - Henry Morgenthau Jr.).

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

Misguided government policies prolonged Great Depression

It must really suck to see all of these left-wing people and institutions obliterating every idiotic belief you had about the left-wing ideology. I know the MIT atmospheric physicist really made you lose your shit earlier, this stuff should cause you to need immediate psychiatric hospitalization.

'We're Spending More Than Ever and It Doesn't Work'

 

[RightyTighty]

Harding/Coolidge 'believed in' laizze affaie economies, brought US the GOP great depression

Snowflake...Dumbocrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt oversaw The Great Depression. And even left-wing UCLA is on record stating that his idiotic left-wing policies prolonged it (as did his own Secretary of Treasury - Henry Morgenthau Jr.).

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

Misguided government policies prolonged Great Depression

It must really suck to see all of these left-wing people and institutions obliterating every idiotic belief you had about the left-wing ideology. I know the MIT atmospheric physicist really made you lose your shit earlier, this stuff should cause you to need immediate psychiatric hospitalization.

'We're Spending More Than Ever and It Doesn't Work'

When did the Great Depression begin? And when was FDR elected? The only mistake made was FDR not spending enough for long enough. As soon as we did (WWII) good bye Great Depression.

 

[JonKoch]

We know how you fascists hate choice - but that's how it goes.

Got it buttercup, it's "choices" why the Cheeto/GOP "health care reform" (aka tax cuts for the rich), strips 23 million from health insurance???

How does tax cuts for the rich strip anyone else of anything? That's only possible if those people are parasites mooching off of the wealthy. And if they are doing that - they deserve to lose anything they are taking.

Got it Cupcake, you're not only a liar, you're ignorant too

HINT Tax cuts for the rich WITHOUT cutting spending (or as Ronnie/Dubya did, EXPLODING spending) creates debts dumb*ss

Nice straw-man. But nobody was discussing debt, dumb shit. We were discussing healthcare and how you parasites feel entitled to the labor (and subsequent fruits of that labor) of someone else.

Again - how does cutting taxes on Person A magically strip Person B of their health insurance? It doesn't and can't unless Person B is a parasite mooching off of Person A.

Sorry Cupcake pointing out tax cuts for the rich is simply a backwards way of pushing debt onto US

THAT'S all CheetoCare is, tax cuts for the rich


HALF OF AMERICA MAKES 11% OF ALL WAGES, ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THE TOP 1% "JOPB CREATORS" MAKE BUTTERCUP

 

[JonKoch]

Sorry cupcake, I don't use ad hominems, I'm a liberal, no need to facts...

Oh the sweet irony of that statement...

"No need to facts" is the motto of every idiot progressive in the world.

Your editing noted Cupcake

 

[JonKoch]

Harding/Coolidge 'believed in' laizze affaie economies, brought US the GOP great depression

Snowflake...Dumbocrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt oversaw The Great Depression. And even left-wing UCLA is on record stating that his idiotic left-wing policies prolonged it (as did his own Secretary of Treasury - Henry Morgenthau Jr.).

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

Misguided government policies prolonged Great Depression

It must really suck to see all of these left-wing people and institutions obliterating every idiotic belief you had about the left-wing ideology. I know the MIT atmospheric physicist really made you lose your shit earlier, this stuff should cause you to need immediate psychiatric hospitalization.

'We're Spending More Than Ever and It Doesn't Work'

Oh got it Cupcake, I forgot the guy elected late 1932 was responsible for Harding/Coolidges 1929 crash *shaking head*

Yeah, I've seen AEI's rewriting history Cupcake



Upon deeper examination, I discovered that the right bases its New Deal revisionism on the short-lived recession in a year straddling 1937 and 1938. But that was four years into Roosevelt’s term—four years marked by spectacular economic growth. Additionally, the fleeting decline happened not because of the New Deal’s spending programs, but because Roosevelt momentarily listened to conservatives and backed off them. As Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman notes, in 1937-38, FDR “was persuaded to balance the budget” and “cut spending and the economy went back down again.”


....“Excepting 1937-1938, unemployment fell each year of Roosevelt’s first two terms [while] the U.S. economy grew at average annual growth rates of 9 percent to 10 percent,” writes University of California historian Eric Rauchway.

What about the New Deal’s most “massive government intervention”—its financial regulations? Did they prolong the Great Depression in ways the official data didn’t detect?

Nope.

According to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, “Only with the New Deal’s rehabilitation of the financial system in 1933-35 did the economy begin its slow emergence from the Great Depression.” In fact, even famed conservative economist Milton Friedman admitted that the New Deal’s Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was “the structural change most conducive to monetary stability since ... the Civil War.”

OK—if the verifiable evidence proves the New Deal did not prolong the Depression, what about historians—do they “pretty much agree” on the opposite?

Again, no.



GOOD LUCK NEXT TIME CUPCAKE

FDR Prolonged the Depression? Really?: David Sirota


MUST'VE BEEN WHY FDR WAS ELECTED 4 TIMES RIGHT CUPCAKE?? LOL

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The real head scratcher is how we can run three independent investigations, believe in the significance of establishing a senate judiciary and house intelligence committee to handle investigations impartially by demanding an independent investigation, all because democrats trust a news story to be honest in its conclusions over the lack of any evidence producing a crime in the first place.

I believe most of us are familiar with the consequences in starting search parties and using state resources over intensionally, misleading, or false information, I can easily see the same accountability parallel being concluded here surrounding certain newspaper publications. The same penalties ought to apply in the case of intentionally piecing together, reporting falsified or misleading claims, and allowing such strong accusations to be published resulting in the waste of taxpayer dollars. Let these media sources be held responsible for such actions. Flip the investigation around that places the newspaper or media outlet in the hot seat, if such reporting is deemed to have occurred.

Ex-CIA chief John Brennan: Russians contacted Trump campaign
Ex-CIA chief John Brennan: Russians contacted Trump campaign - CNNPolitics.com


CIA director alerted FBI to pattern of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign associates


“I was worried by a number of the contacts that the Russians had with U.S. persons,” Brennan said, adding that he did not see proof of collusion before he left office on Jan. 20, but “felt as though the FBI investigation was certainly well-founded and needed to look into those issues.”





WAPO
CIA director alerted FBI to pattern of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign associates

No evidence of collusion or efforts to alter an election, in fact Hillary's acceptance of finances into her "foundation" from foreign government demonstrates a clear actual physical trail that goes well beyond just a face to face encounter with a foreign official. Financial contributions have a way of producing actual evidence, physical evidence that liberal democrats can't seem to find beyond having "met" someone. Likewise Obama must have been in collusion for simply facing foreign officials prior to his presidency. At least produce some actual evidence that places Trump in a different category from others who ran for the executive office, because these constant assumptions to conspire that is being produced are really pathetic. This is why I will get laughing emojis instead because they can't really say what makes Trump's case different from Hillary or any other politician, as well as the lack of a trail of physical evidence that was clearly evident through Mrs Clintons financial contributions from foreign nations which indictates actual conflict of interest to HER political position..

God thing there are investigations going on right cupcake?

Really I see no difference than the birther movements seeking Obama's impeachment, you can always find a fruit cake.

Yeah the "birther" movement based on RACE, whether he was born in US or not, he WAS a US citizen by his mother's birthright VS an INVESTIGATION (NOT IMPEACHMENT) into Russia's involvement in interfering with US elections and IF there were ties to the Cheeto campaign are the same right cupcake?

NOT like it's MUCH easier to show the GOP's YEARS LONG "investigation" on BJ Bill or Hilary/Obama "Bengazzzzzzi" investigations right?

Oh the little boy who cried wolf, isn't that cute. They just had to be nothing more than racist, right? Why? For all those cries of being labeled an "obstructionist", the "party of No!" they want nothing to do with helping THIS president. That "do nothing party" who said we need to put a stop to this administration and their agenda. He won't last to see another term. Does all that rhetoric sound all too familiar, maybe even Deja Vu perhaps? So who IIs the obstructionist? Who is that party of no!? We must resist!! Not my president!!! Yes, the claim that all this resistance just HAD to be because they were simply - racist. Don't make me laugh. Race has been over used... with every occasion that the left felt they were feeling some form of resistance to their agenda, because someone couldn't see as they do and share in the liberal view of government. Liberals simply begin to lose it and come undone under the pressure of political confrontation.

So now you are up in arms, with your little diaper pins, throwing your little Trump tantrums of impeachment (another familiar rhetoric tone because they had to be racist for even suggesting that of Obama- oh my God.) all this because you don't happen to like this particular choice for president. You don't like what he has planned for the direction of this nation. Well .. welcome to the other side of the fence there fruitcake. Oh, and if you want to see some ACTUAL examples of what racist rhetoric really sounds like, look to how liberal democrats treat an African American conservative. Liberals are such hypocrites, you'd think for all their criticisms and concerns they'd actually learn something and know better.