Robert E Lee & The Confederate Solider statue removed in Dallas

[Timmy]

It's always turns out well when a nation starts burning books and removing history.

Hitler is part of our history . We don’t honor him wh statues .

 

[Timmy]

this is a new level of pc idiocy. the confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride, not racism.

It’s a symbol of hate, violence, and treason .

 

[basquebromance]

this is a real photo ivanka posted on twitter in 2017 of Kushner with the Conf flag behind him

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Truth1253]

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Ya mean the racists got it backwards again?

You think that word bothers me not for a second

Of course we don't, loser.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

this is a new level of pc idiocy. the confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride, not racism.

Yes. Pride in it's fight to preserve white speriority, dope.

 

[basquebromance]

this is a new level of pc idiocy. the confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride, not racism.

Yes. Pride in it's fight to preserve white speriority, dope.

that's a good thing

 

[rightwinger]

Please educate yourselves you stupid motherfuckers. That’s why we get so frustrated with you useful idiots. View attachment 264710

Robert E. Lee: His Brutality to His Slaves. In NATIONAL ANTI-SLAVERY STANDARD Vol. XXVI. No. 49 (April 14, 1866). Whole No. 1,349

We were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where, in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable, was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to lay it on well, an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.

Bullshit

History
Written by one of Lees slaves

 

[SandSquid]

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And some people believe their government was right. "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. "

Most today do not. But if that's what you support...

 

[Pogo]

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Um, sorry, Lee owned slaves, and Grant didn't. Grant was from Illinois, which was a free state.

Actually Grant did own slaves, that part is true. Both by inheritance and acquisition, in Missouri. Grant was in fact the last POTUS to have been a slaveowner.

>> In 1855, Grant farmed on his brother-in-law's property near St. Louis, using slaves owned by Julia's father.[82] The farm was not successful and to earn a living he sold firewood on St. Louis street corners.[83] Earning only $50 a month (equivalent to $1,340 in 2018), wearing his faded army jacket, an unkempt Grant desperately looked for work.[84] The next year, the Grants moved to land on Julia's father's farm, and built a home called "Hardscrabble" on Grant's Farm. Julia disliked the rustic house, which she described as an "unattractive cabin".[85] The Panic of 1857devastated farmers, including Grant, who pawned his gold watch to pay for Christmas.[86] In 1858, Grant rented out Hardscrabble and moved his family to Julia's father's 850-acre plantation that used slave labor.[87] That fall, after a bout of malaria, Grant retired from farming.[88]

The same year, Grant acquired a slave from his father-in-law, a thirty-five-year-old man named William Jones.[89] In March 1859, Grant freed William, worth about $1,500, instead of selling him at a time when he needed money.[90] << -- Wiki
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So although I'm not sure how Grant got in here, a deflection no doubt, but both of them owned slaves, the Googly Image graphic is still wrong, but that's what happens when some wag tries to make a bullshit point using user-generated graphics where anyone can write anything the want.

I guess this Grant deflection from the OP is yet another attempt to redefine the monument removals in terms of "waah, they owned slaves" instead of facing the actual dynamics, which are shall we say inconvenient.

His wife owned 30 slaves that were in her name.

How interesting. Not the topic here though.

Still, it's at once a deflection from the actual dynamics of what's going on here, and a revelation of why it's a deflection. We don't see statues of Grant being removed because he was a slaveowner, and that's because that ain't the basis. Grant was not part of the Lost Cause mythology that got all those Confederale statues up by the UDC for the purpose of sanitizing and rewriting history. That wouldn't have worked with Grant. It does work with the UDC shit.

 

[Pogo]

It's always turns out well when a nation starts burning books and removing history.

Hitler is part of our history . We don’t honor him wh statues .

And for a proper analogy, Germany doesn't put up statues of Hitler and rewrite its history schoolbooks to present the idea that his cause really was noble and he just got outgunned by the meanies on the other side. Quite the opposite.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

It's always turns out well when a nation starts burning books and removing history.

Hitler is part of our history . We don’t honor him wh statues .

And for a proper analogy, Germany doesn't put up statues of Hitler and rewrite its history schoolbooks to present the idea that his cause really was noble and he just got outgunned by the meanies on the other side. Quite the opposite.

No, but nothing of that sort was even implied, only that it was history.

 

[Pogo]

It's always turns out well when a nation starts burning books and removing history.

Hitler is part of our history . We don’t honor him wh statues .

And for a proper analogy, Germany doesn't put up statues of Hitler and rewrite its history schoolbooks to present the idea that his cause really was noble and he just got outgunned by the meanies on the other side. Quite the opposite.

No, but nothing of that sort was even implied, only that it was history.

Oh I'm afraid it was not only "implied", it was actively constructed.

The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates -- Edward A. Pollard (1866)

The Clansman - Thomas Dixon (1905)

Birth of a Nation -- D.W. Griffith (1915)

Gone With the Wind -- Margaret Mitchell, 1936

Literally hundreds of statues/monuments/plaques erected by the United Daughters of the Confederacy --- late 19th/early 20th century

And more than that, they literally rewrote history books:

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Now take all that and try to imagine the German Daughters of the Third Reich rewriting German history schoolbooks to whitewash Hitler. And putting up Göbbels and Göring and Eichmann statues all over the damn place to present them as some kind of 'nobility'.

THAT is what's been coming down. And it's about damn time. Like the one in this thread, which by the way came down two years ago.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

this is a new level of pc idiocy. the confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride, not racism.

Yes. Pride in it's fight to preserve white speriority, dope.

that's a good thing

It's also racist, dope.

 

[rightwinger]

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If you believe in slavery, you believe they were right

 

[bendog]

Statue sold for $1.4 million. Why are we removing the in the first place because they owned slaves and that makes it racist today. What’s next all our money? George Washington owned 30 himself is he know a piece of shit? The Left gets offended by EVERYTHING in the past because they’re personally so inadequate in the present. ‘Robert E. Lee & The Confederate Soldier’ Sculpture Removed From Dallas Park Sells For $1.4M

Lee didn't want monuments of himself because he feared it would hinder reunification. I'm not against monuments like those at battlefields or the freaking amazing sculptures of cavalry outside the US capital. But if cities want to rid themselves of tributes to individuals who fought to preserve slavery, the logic seems unassailable. LOL

 

[Timmy]

It's always turns out well when a nation starts burning books and removing history.

Hitler is part of our history . We don’t honor him wh statues .

And for a proper analogy, Germany doesn't put up statues of Hitler and rewrite its history schoolbooks to present the idea that his cause really was noble and he just got outgunned by the meanies on the other side. Quite the opposite.

No, but nothing of that sort was even implied, only that it was history.

The excuse by the right is that removal is rewriting history. Not true . Those memorials were installed decades if not a century after the civil war with the intent to be a racist FU to blacks and the liberals .

Lincoln is one of the greatest presidents ever. Yet there are virtually no monuments to him in the old south. Yet confederates are honored everywhere . It’s a disgrace .

 

[Mike Dwight]

Well, the more you guys Believe that these Weren't public services and Public Works rendered onto you, the public, the more they'll take them down, sure. Unionists that Never spoke English. What percent was it, 40% of German Americans off the boat then served? The Native inheritors of this Country lose out. This Union argument spins around increasing complexities about the laboring state of the 200 year stable and bountiful African American population, whereas the Confederate position was So stable, so conservative, so established, as to be the 2nd War of American Independence (tm). The institutions with little innovation have the argument of state boundaries and protections.
The famous Ulysses Grant is from 1922 a huge highlight of the Capitol Building and Reflecting pool. Just like the Lincoln Monument, possibly the same year. Of Course the heroes of Federal Government are all coalesced, I don't know which State Capitol building you expect to see a Lincoln.

 

[rightwinger]

It's always turns out well when a nation starts burning books and removing history.

Hitler is part of our history . We don’t honor him wh statues .

And for a proper analogy, Germany doesn't put up statues of Hitler and rewrite its history schoolbooks to present the idea that his cause really was noble and he just got outgunned by the meanies on the other side. Quite the opposite.

No, but nothing of that sort was even implied, only that it was history.

The excuse by the right is that removal is rewriting history. Not true . Those memorials were installed decades if not a century after the civil war with the intent to be a racist FU to blacks and the liberals .

Lincoln is one of the greatest presidents ever. Yet there are virtually no monuments to him in the old south. Yet confederates are honored everywhere . It’s a disgrace .

What history?

Robert E Lee was never in Dallas
That would be JFK

Where is his monument?