GeoLaureate8
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Thank you for being the first person to actually provide arguments to support your position. I commend you for that.
I will now address your points.
1. I didn't claim people said the are the same. Nice strawman on your behalf! I said that they are nowhere near the same as way to point out that they are not similar at all. I didn't say anyone said anything there, I was just making a point.
2. People have suggesting that they should run together does imply that they have similar platforms, why else would someone suggest they run together?
Well, RP supports sound money, and acknowledges that the gold standard is better than what we have now because money would actually be worth something. However, I don't think he's committed to actually installing a gold standard, I heard him say he'd merely get us back to a different form of monetary policy that doesn't involve debt drenched, valueless, counterfeit money.
Yes, Herman Cain does know a lot more about creating counterfeit money than RP, probably because he worked for an agency that does it! It does not help your argument to point out that HC has been a part of an illegit, fraud system responsible for enslaving the people with debt-ridden money supply.
So sure, HC does know a bit about using fraudulent banking tactics for personal profit.
Not to mention, I guarantee you Ron Paul has read more books on economic theory than Cain. That's why RP always slams Bernanke every time he debates him.
Were not talking about who's position is more popular with the ignorant masses, were talking about which policies are BETTER.
Do you seriously support using the Drug War to enslave millions of people just because that position will win more votes?
Less than half of the Federal Budget? You say that like it's a small amount! That's a big chunk considering that militarism makes up most of the rest of Federal spending.
Pork spending is larger? I doubt it. I don't know about the supposed pork RP approves, but pork spending isn't that bad. Funding states to provide vital infrastructure and public services isn't a bad thing. (Yes, I'm a Left Libertarian.)
Foreign Aid is way worse. As RP said, it involves stealing from poor people in this country and giving it to rich dictators in other countries. Not to mention, we fund both sides of foreign wars, and even more absurd, we give more money to the enemy of our "friend" Israel than we actually give to Israel itself!
I know all that. Still doesn't change the fact that government should stay out of peoples personal relationships.
I didn't lie, I said Cain wants to keep government run Social Security. That's fact. Whether he wants to reform it or not doesn't change the fact that he still wants to keep government SS.
No, RP has specifically said that he'd get rid of government run SS and leave it to the private sector to handle it, thus he supports privatizing it.
Really? Hey, even better! I'd prefer the middle class grow and the upper class shrink. I'm surprised you find that problematic.
I agree with everything you just said. But if you haven't noticed, I am not a strong opponent against illegal immigration. I could care less.
Yes, but regardless, Cain doesn't oppose intervention whereas RP does oppose intervention. That's all that needs to be said really.
No, Ron would once again make America a liked country and would give no incentive for other countries to attack us. Unlike other candidates who just make other countries outraged because we invade and slaughter their citizens.
Not to mention, Ron Paul supports a strong U.S. Defense. So how would that make us vulnerable?
All we can do is hope Paul will be able to repeal the Drug War.
Yes, do know what he is proposing. And you're right, he scares people, he scares people because he supports real freedom and it seems the slaves of America don't like freedom no matter how much they proclaim and praise it.
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I will now address your points.
Who says they are the same. Good strawman to get into you're premise.
1. I didn't claim people said the are the same. Nice strawman on your behalf! I said that they are nowhere near the same as way to point out that they are not similar at all. I didn't say anyone said anything there, I was just making a point.
2. People have suggesting that they should run together does imply that they have similar platforms, why else would someone suggest they run together?
But let's exam you assertions/interpretations to which you provide to proof or links on!
I love how people say the gold standard the gold standard. That is the key, yet they have no idea whether it will work or not.Federal Reserve
Herman Cain: Supports enslaving us through the Federal Reserve banking system by making us slaves to a valueless currency. He supposedly believes in the gold-standard and personal freedom, but these are contradictory to the existence of the Federal Reserve. Perhaps his position on this has to do with the fact that he has worked for a branch of the Federal Reserve.
Ron Paul: Will abolish the Federal Reserve, go back to sound money, and free us from the rigged monetary system who's strings are pulled by the Fed, aka international private bankers.
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Well, RP supports sound money, and acknowledges that the gold standard is better than what we have now because money would actually be worth something. However, I don't think he's committed to actually installing a gold standard, I heard him say he'd merely get us back to a different form of monetary policy that doesn't involve debt drenched, valueless, counterfeit money.
Ronnie worked as a doctor, Herman Cain worked in the Federal Reverse of KC. I think he know a ton more about banking then Ronnie. He was also CEO of a few companies he brought back from the dead. Ronnie, pretty much a career politician!
Yes, Herman Cain does know a lot more about creating counterfeit money than RP, probably because he worked for an agency that does it! It does not help your argument to point out that HC has been a part of an illegit, fraud system responsible for enslaving the people with debt-ridden money supply.
So sure, HC does know a bit about using fraudulent banking tactics for personal profit.
Not to mention, I guarantee you Ron Paul has read more books on economic theory than Cain. That's why RP always slams Bernanke every time he debates him.
Sorry but I will go with Cain interpretation here, instead of Ronnie's talk points for the crazies.
Not to mention, the attack adds against Ronnie. He would get creamed in the generals on this point!
I need more proof on Ronnie's side, but do you really think running on ending the war on drugs will win a general election. NOPE, Willie Horton!Drug War
Herman Cain: Wants to enslave millions of Americans by supporting the Drug War. The Drug War which involves the CIA importing drugs to the U.S. and then arresting people for using them, and then benefit from the profits of the privately owned prison system of the U.S. The U.S. has the largest prison population in the world thanks to those who support the fascist, authoritarian Drug War against a free people.
Ron Paul: Will abolish the Drug War, release all non-violent drug criminals from prison, and legalize all drugs and let states deal with regulation.
Were not talking about who's position is more popular with the ignorant masses, were talking about which policies are BETTER.
Do you seriously support using the Drug War to enslave millions of people just because that position will win more votes?
Way to put your disingenious spin. Neg! No reason to keep going on it. First, foreign aid makes up less that 1/2 of the federal budget. That mean all foreign aid to all countries, the fight against AIDS in Africa etc. It's a talking point.
Less than half of the Federal Budget? You say that like it's a small amount! That's a big chunk considering that militarism makes up most of the rest of Federal spending.
Pork spending is larger, but a PORKER like Ronnie wouldn't want to get rid of that, since he takes and approves a lot of pork!
Pork spending is larger? I doubt it. I don't know about the supposed pork RP approves, but pork spending isn't that bad. Funding states to provide vital infrastructure and public services isn't a bad thing. (Yes, I'm a Left Libertarian.)
Foreign Aid is way worse. As RP said, it involves stealing from poor people in this country and giving it to rich dictators in other countries. Not to mention, we fund both sides of foreign wars, and even more absurd, we give more money to the enemy of our "friend" Israel than we actually give to Israel itself!
Gays can get married anywhere, they just can't get legally married. Read between the lines, Ronnie wants to get rid of all marriage rights. Tax benefits etc. Gays wouldn't be any better off, neither would married families!
I know all that. Still doesn't change the fact that government should stay out of peoples personal relationships.
Liar, Cain wants to reform SS.
I didn't lie, I said Cain wants to keep government run Social Security. That's fact. Whether he wants to reform it or not doesn't change the fact that he still wants to keep government SS.
Saying you want to privatize SS isn't going to win you any votes. Even though going the Chilean way is the best thing.
Ronnie wants to eliminate SS, much different than privatizing it. Privatizing it, like Chile, forces people to put 10% aside in private company funds. Ron say fuck it get rid of it and allow people to invest or not invest. Guess what Ronnie that doesn't work. The youth don't see the light at the end of the tunnel and they won't invest in great numbers and eventually when they can't work we will have a crisis. Stupid fucking plan!
No, RP has specifically said that he'd get rid of government run SS and leave it to the private sector to handle it, thus he supports privatizing it.
Taxes and IRS
You say the Fair Tax doesn't work, because you are a retard. Its the only way to give our corporations an advantage in the world market and the IRS being eliminated is the central aspect of the fair tax.
Flat tax only sounds good in theory, but its never going to happen. Ronnie's flat tax idea would eventually lower the upper class drastically, but raise the middle class drastically.
Really? Hey, even better! I'd prefer the middle class grow and the upper class shrink. I'm surprised you find that problematic.
Because secure the border is bad, douche bag. Ronnie doesn't want to do squat. He won't mandate everify, he will forbide company raids, he won't allow company audits and he won't punish business and landlords at ALL. He would the the illegals dream! He is worse than anyone on illegal immigration in probably the history of they country.Immigration
Herman Cain: Believes in wasting money on securing the border. Takes a strong stance against illegal immigration.
Ron Paul: This would be a non-issue if we were implementing the right economic policies in the first place. Does not support wasting money on securing the border.
Cain wants everify, fence at the border, raids on corporations, punishment against businesses and landlords, guest worker programs etc. He is for America, Ronnie is well for the illegals!
I agree with everything you just said. But if you haven't noticed, I am not a strong opponent against illegal immigration. I could care less.
Civil Liberties
Herman Cain: Claims to support liberty, but his policies say otherwise. I haven't heard him mention once that he'd restore our civil liberties. He uses the word in his rhetoric, but he never claims how he will do it. I don't see him opposing the Patriot Act or the Cybersecurity Act. By the looks of it, he supports the same ol' status quo which has resulted in the enslavement of the whole population of America.
Ron Paul: Will repeal the Patriot Act. Eliminate Cybersecurity Act which would destroy all of our Internet freedoms and the little privacy we have left. Ron Paul's number one priority is to get our liberties back from the stranglehold of the authoritarian dictatorship we call a "democratic government."
You haven't heard Cain say what he is for, including Afghanistan, because he says he isn't privy to the intelligence yet (for the most part neither is Ronnie), hasn't talked to his advisors and would make those decisions when he is elected.
Yes, but regardless, Cain doesn't oppose intervention whereas RP does oppose intervention. That's all that needs to be said really.
Ronnie on the other hand would make America the most vulnerable Western nation in the world. You can almost guarantee multiple larger 9/11 (even a nuclear 9/11) on his watch. Then he will say his blowback theory was incorrect.
Remember Ronnie also wants to get rid of the FBI, CIA, DHLS, ICE etc. He would be a gift to terrorists, organized crime,
No, Ron would once again make America a liked country and would give no incentive for other countries to attack us. Unlike other candidates who just make other countries outraged because we invade and slaughter their citizens.
Not to mention, Ron Paul supports a strong U.S. Defense. So how would that make us vulnerable?
Cartels, drug dealers (sorry, but the President alone can't repeal the war on drugs and Congress R or D isn't going to do that), bank robbers and criminals in general!
All we can do is hope Paul will be able to repeal the Drug War.
Radical Paul should good to the nuts, but if you really look at what he is proposing he is scary!
Yes, do know what he is proposing. And you're right, he scares people, he scares people because he supports real freedom and it seems the slaves of America don't like freedom no matter how much they proclaim and praise it.
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