Ruh roh IRS required by law to print out Lois Lerner's emails

[HenryBHough]

IRS employee regulations are not "laws".

Fair enough. Regulations are not applicable to regime appointees under the same criteria. Don't believe me? Ask Eric Holder.

 

[eagle1462010]

IRS employee regulations are not "laws".

LOL

So they can break regulations any time they please................

They can target those they don't like.................

Wonderful world they have there. Don't have to obey laws, and hide information that might be used against them in their attacks of conservative groups.

It's good to be the king.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJS51d1Fzg]it's GOOD to be the KING.flv - YouTube[/ame]

 

[mamooth]

ODS kooks, what exactly do you think you're accomplishing by acting crazy? Everyone already knows you're nuts, hence there's no need to keep pounding on that point.

 

[Clementine]

They had no right to throw the hard drive away knowing what information was on it. Are there actually any Dems here who believe the story about the computer crashing and the hard drive being tossed is innocent?

Lerner and her cohorts cannot be allowed to get away with this shit. You can imagine how damaging those emails must have been and who was involved. I bet it goes to the WH.

 

[FA_Q2]

ODS kooks, what exactly do you think you're accomplishing by acting crazy? Everyone already knows you're nuts, hence there's no need to keep pounding on that point.

The fact that the IRS violated law in this case is quite clear to anyone with even a smigion of integrity.

What do you think you are accomplishing by ignoring rank corruption simply because your guy is on the hill?


This most certainly is a case of ODS - your ODS. You are deranged into thinking that this particular administration is simply immune to Washington corruption.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

ODS kooks, what exactly do you think you're accomplishing by acting crazy? Everyone already knows you're nuts, hence there's no need to keep pounding on that point.

The fact that the IRS violated law in this case is....

That's not a "fact".

 

[tinydancer]

They destroyed evidence.Nuff said.

 

[tinydancer]

IRS employee regulations are not "laws".

The Federal Records Act is not a law?

 

[TemplarKormac]

IRS employee regulations are not "laws".

Then why are they codified in Federal Statutes, Doc?

 

[TemplarKormac]

ODS kooks, what exactly do you think you're accomplishing by acting crazy? Everyone already knows you're nuts, hence there's no need to keep pounding on that point.

The fact that the IRS violated law in this case is....

That's not a "fact".

Then disprove it.

"That's not a "fact" isn't a fact either, sir.

 

[tinydancer]

Here we go. And I'll put in in my OP so we don't have any more dancing around on this issue.

1.10.3.2.3 (07-08-2011)
Emails as Possible Federal Records

All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.

The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:

Created or received in the transaction of agency business

Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or

Valuable because of the information they contain

If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly. The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy. More information on IRS records management requirements is available at http://erc.web.irs.gov/Displayanswers/Question.asp?FolderID=4&CategoryID=5 or see the Records Management Handbook, IRM 1.15.1 http://publish.no.irs.gov/IRM/P01/PDF/31421A03.PDF).

An email determined to be a federal record may eventually be considered as having historical value by the National Archivist prior to disposal. Therefore, ensure that all your communications are professional in tone.

Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record. Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.



Internal Revenue Manual - 1.10.3 Standards for Using Email

 

[TemplarKormac]

If I am not mistaken, FR and CFR carry weight of law, or in this case, administrative law, and derive their enforceability from these statutes:

44 U.S.C. 2904, 3101, 3102, and 3301.

Which give the IRS the ability to craft regulations as to the disposition and/or maintenance of records, including e-mails.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Federal Agencies are regulated by Congress, as an implied Constitutional power. As dictated by Non Delegation doctrine, congress cannot bestow law making power on any agency, it can however give them templates for their own regulations or 'intelligible principles', so any regulation drafted by an agency can thereby derive its law worthiness by taking its direction and inspiration from Congress itself.

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh well. Once again those labeled as "ODS haters" prove their case while the lib bed wetters prove they've got nothing.
The IRS violated the law numerous times. It violated the law in sending confidential taxpayer info to the FBI. IT violated the law in destroying records. It violated the law in failing to comply with a Congressional subpoena.
People are still defending this??

 

[tinydancer]

No, the IRS is not required to print out every email. That's insane.

Jesus H. on a pogo stick, the ODS afflicted are stupid. Each time I think they can't possibly be as stupid as they appear, they work extra hard to prove that they are.

You aren't getting it are you?

 

[FA_Q2]

ODS kooks, what exactly do you think you're accomplishing by acting crazy? Everyone already knows you're nuts, hence there's no need to keep pounding on that point.

The fact that the IRS violated law in this case is....

That's not a "fact".

Fact: the IRS targeted groups for extra screening based on a word list. We know that this is true. the IRS has admitted that this is true.

That is a violation of the law and an infringement on freedom of speech. You don't get to make a value judgement based on the name an agency chooses for itself.