Rules For Traditionals: How People In Wedding Trades Can Defend Themselves

[JoeB131]

False, and the fact that you would make such a claim proves that you're a complete fucking idiot. Never once on this board have I made a claim even halfway approaching that. My position has always been that a free market is a pragmatic best available option when compared to ineffective government interventionism.

Every time the government tries to take on free market principles the government loses. Prohibition? Free market won. War on drugs? Free market continues to win. How do you expect government policy to protect gay people from discrimination when the same discrimination battle has been waging for 100+ years for black people, and the government still hasn't managed to solve the problem?

Eery time the government tries to protect people, someone tries to find their way around it.

If you think that the high rate of drug addiction and alcoholism are good things the market has brought us, that's kind of sad.

 

[JoeB131]

Because of you Leftists and your murderous CAFE automobile standards, over 2000 Americans die in cars unable to adequately protect them. You battle mythical beasts like "global warming" by forcing car manufacturers to use less and less material to strengthen the frame. You think 27 is a lot of people killed? As usual, you prove that Leftism kills more people in this country than anything else.

Uh, the Pinto's flaws had nohting to do with "CAFE standard". A greedy corporation designed a bad car and didnt' own up to it.

 

[bripat9643]

You're an imbecile. They had to put chemicals somewhere. They dispose of chemicals now in exactly the same way. What part of "they were forced to sell" didn't you understand?

You realize you made a fool of yourself, so now you're pretending to be stupid..

Actually, there are safe ways to dispose of chemicals that doesn't include storing them in residential areas. But that's okay, man, you keep taking one for Team Corporate, guy.

You're simply an idiot, Joe. Your twisting yourself in knots trying to excuse the culpability of the county government.

 

[bripat9643]

Because of you Leftists and your murderous CAFE automobile standards, over 2000 Americans die in cars unable to adequately protect them. You battle mythical beasts like "global warming" by forcing car manufacturers to use less and less material to strengthen the frame. You think 27 is a lot of people killed? As usual, you prove that Leftism kills more people in this country than anything else.

Uh, the Pinto's flaws had nohting to do with "CAFE standard". A greedy corporation designed a bad car and didnt' own up to it.

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe. Your zeal to excuse whatever the government does is legendary.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Because of you Leftists and your murderous CAFE automobile standards, over 2000 Americans die in cars unable to adequately protect them. You battle mythical beasts like "global warming" by forcing car manufacturers to use less and less material to strengthen the frame. You think 27 is a lot of people killed? As usual, you prove that Leftism kills more people in this country than anything else.

Uh, the Pinto's flaws had nohting to do with "CAFE standard". A greedy corporation designed a bad car and didnt' own up to it.

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe. Your zeal to excuse whatever the government does is legendary.

It didn't rule anything of the kind, Bripiss.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism is neither 'moral' or 'immoral,' it's a contrivance of man and imbued with man's faults and failings. Consequently business owners, being human, will at times act in bad faith – endangering the safety of employees, polluting the environment, selling unsafe goods and services to consumers – where necessary, proper, and Constitutional regulatory measures are warranted to safeguard citizens from business owners who put profit over the well-being of workers and consumers alike.

I can actually agree with this, however, capitalism encourages the worst part of humanity: Greed.

Nonsense.

Capitalism is far superior to other economic systems, but it's flawed - hence the necessity, proper, and Constitutional regulatory measures as authorized by the Commerce Clause.

More proof that the far left does not have a clue about the Constitution..

It is not the left that is Appealing to Ignorance of our own laws simply for the sake of religious morals from the Age of Iron: The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

 

[bripat9643]

Because of you Leftists and your murderous CAFE automobile standards, over 2000 Americans die in cars unable to adequately protect them. You battle mythical beasts like "global warming" by forcing car manufacturers to use less and less material to strengthen the frame. You think 27 is a lot of people killed? As usual, you prove that Leftism kills more people in this country than anything else.

Uh, the Pinto's flaws had nohting to do with "CAFE standard". A greedy corporation designed a bad car and didnt' own up to it.

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe. Your zeal to excuse whatever the government does is legendary.

It didn't rule anything of the kind, Bripiss.

Of course it did, Nazi. It issued a report saying the Pinto was no more dangerous than an other car in its class.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Because of you Leftists and your murderous CAFE automobile standards, over 2000 Americans die in cars unable to adequately protect them. You battle mythical beasts like "global warming" by forcing car manufacturers to use less and less material to strengthen the frame. You think 27 is a lot of people killed? As usual, you prove that Leftism kills more people in this country than anything else.

Uh, the Pinto's flaws had nohting to do with "CAFE standard". A greedy corporation designed a bad car and didnt' own up to it.

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe. Your zeal to excuse whatever the government does is legendary.

It didn't rule anything of the kind, Bripiss.

Of course it did, Nazi. It issued a report saying the Pinto was no more dangerous than an other car in its class.

Which based on what they knew, it wasn't. They never said it was perfectly safe since there is no such thing, dumbass.

And any good capitalist is well-aware that paying for a death here and there is no big deal as long as the bottom line is solid. Welcome to capitalism my little pissing infant.

 

[bripat9643]

False, and the fact that you would make such a claim proves that you're a complete fucking idiot. Never once on this board have I made a claim even halfway approaching that. My position has always been that a free market is a pragmatic best available option when compared to ineffective government interventionism.

Every time the government tries to take on free market principles the government loses. Prohibition? Free market won. War on drugs? Free market continues to win. How do you expect government policy to protect gay people from discrimination when the same discrimination battle has been waging for 100+ years for black people, and the government still hasn't managed to solve the problem?

Eery time the government tries to protect people, someone tries to find their way around it.

If you think that the high rate of drug addiction and alcoholism are good things the market has brought us, that's kind of sad.

That's an ode to pure stupidity.

 

[bripat9643]

Because of you Leftists and your murderous CAFE automobile standards, over 2000 Americans die in cars unable to adequately protect them. You battle mythical beasts like "global warming" by forcing car manufacturers to use less and less material to strengthen the frame. You think 27 is a lot of people killed? As usual, you prove that Leftism kills more people in this country than anything else.

Uh, the Pinto's flaws had nohting to do with "CAFE standard". A greedy corporation designed a bad car and didnt' own up to it.

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe. Your zeal to excuse whatever the government does is legendary.

It didn't rule anything of the kind, Bripiss.

Of course it did, Nazi. It issued a report saying the Pinto was no more dangerous than an other car in its class.

Which based on what they knew, it wasn't. They never said it was perfectly safe since there is no such thing, dumbass.

And any good capitalist is well-aware that paying for a death here and there is no big deal as long as the bottom line is solid. Welcome to capitalism my little pissing infant.

Where did I say anyone claimed it was perfectly safe. You are attacking Ford because the car wasn't perfectly safe, and then you admit there's no such thing as perfectly safe.

You are an astounding idiot.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Uh, the Pinto's flaws had nohting to do with "CAFE standard". A greedy corporation designed a bad car and didnt' own up to it.

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe. Your zeal to excuse whatever the government does is legendary.

It didn't rule anything of the kind, Bripiss.

Of course it did, Nazi. It issued a report saying the Pinto was no more dangerous than an other car in its class.

Which based on what they knew, it wasn't. They never said it was perfectly safe since there is no such thing, dumbass.

And any good capitalist is well-aware that paying for a death here and there is no big deal as long as the bottom line is solid. Welcome to capitalism my little pissing infant.

Where did I say anyone claimed it was perfectly safe. You are attacking Ford because the car wasn't perfectly safe, and then you admit there's no such thing as perfectly safe.

You are an astounding idiot.

Learn to read what you write, you pissing infant.

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe.

 

[bripat9643]

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe. Your zeal to excuse whatever the government does is legendary.

It didn't rule anything of the kind, Bripiss.

Of course it did, Nazi. It issued a report saying the Pinto was no more dangerous than an other car in its class.

Which based on what they knew, it wasn't. They never said it was perfectly safe since there is no such thing, dumbass.

And any good capitalist is well-aware that paying for a death here and there is no big deal as long as the bottom line is solid. Welcome to capitalism my little pissing infant.

Where did I say anyone claimed it was perfectly safe. You are attacking Ford because the car wasn't perfectly safe, and then you admit there's no such thing as perfectly safe.

You are an astounding idiot.

Learn to read what you write, you pissing infant.

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe.

You're still and imbecile, PMH. You attack Ford for not making a car that's perfectly safe and then admit that no car is perfectly safe.

 

[Dragonlady]

There is a vast difference between building cars that aren't perfectly safe, and making cars which blow up when rear ended (the Pinto), or sports cars that lose traction and flip in high speed turns (the Corvair).

When corporations disregard people's lives and make a determination that it's cheaper to pay settlements on a few law suits than it would be to change the design of the cars to something less likely to kill those riding in it, they deserve to be hammered by regulators.

 

[bripat9643]

There is a vast difference between building cars that aren't perfectly safe, and making cars which blow up when rear ended (the Pinto), or sports cars that lose traction and flip in high speed turns (the Corvair).

Wrong. There's no difference.

When corporations disregard people's lives and make a determination that it's cheaper to pay settlements on a few law suits than it would be to change the design of the cars to something less likely to kill those riding in it, they deserve to be hammered by regulators.

The only problem with your theory is that the regulators didn't "hammer" Ford over the Pinto. The determined that the Pinto was no more dangerous than any other car in its class.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Because of you Leftists and your murderous CAFE automobile standards, over 2000 Americans die in cars unable to adequately protect them. You battle mythical beasts like "global warming" by forcing car manufacturers to use less and less material to strengthen the frame. You think 27 is a lot of people killed? As usual, you prove that Leftism kills more people in this country than anything else.

Uh, the Pinto's flaws had nohting to do with "CAFE standard". A greedy corporation designed a bad car and didnt' own up to it.

You Leftwats do nothing when government doesn't own up to its mistakes, killing far more than 27 Americans, so I don't want to hear it. Seriously, STFU.

 

[JoeB131]

You're simply an idiot, Joe. Your twisting yourself in knots trying to excuse the culpability of the county government.

Hooker Chemical was found liable for the chemical dumping, so really, there's no argument here.

They had to pay huge fines to do what they should have done to start with.

Only people like you cry, "Wah, Rich people were held accountable for screwing working folks!"

 

[JoeB131]

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe. Your zeal to excuse whatever the government does is legendary.

It demanded that Ford Recall the Pinto and rework them. So it actually did it's job.

Ford didn't do theirs. they were happy to pay off lawsuits rather than do an $11.00 repair.

 

[JoeB131]

You Leftwats do nothing when government doesn't own up to its mistakes, killing far more than 27 Americans, so I don't want to hear it. Seriously, STFU.

Well, we have a solution when government doesn't own up to its mistakes. They are called "elections".

Like when some retard lied about weapons of mass destruction and got 4500 American soldiers killed for nothing, we had an "Election" and put an end to that shit. It was in all the papers.

 

[bripat9643]

You're simply an idiot, Joe. Your twisting yourself in knots trying to excuse the culpability of the county government.

Hooker Chemical was found liable for the chemical dumping, so really, there's no argument here.

Meaningless hooey. With 20/20 hindsight a court found "Hooker/Occidental had been negligent, but not reckless, in its handling of the waste and sale of the land to the Niagara Falls School Board." Of course, that doesn't mean a thing because courts typically rule against any company involved with deep pockets.

They had to pay huge fines to do what they should have done to start with.

Only people like you cry, "Wah, Rich people were held accountable for screwing working folks!"

No, they had to pay fines because of the stupidity and recklessness of the Niagara Falls School Board.

 

[bripat9643]

Your precious government ruled the car was perfectly safe. Your zeal to excuse whatever the government does is legendary.

It demanded that Ford Recall the Pinto and rework them. So it actually did it's job.

Ford didn't do theirs. they were happy to pay off lawsuits rather than do an $11.00 repair.

So after 27 people died the government forced a recall? That's what you call doing it's job? I thought government regulations were supposed to prevent deaths before they happen? What actually happens is that whenever deaths happen turds like you blame private industry, even when government is culpable.

The bottom line: government regulation has no effect on the safety of the Pinto.