Russia has Freed Bakhmut.

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Inside the ‘Bakhmut meat grinder’: How Russia forced Ukrainians to retreat from Artyomovsk, their supposed ‘fortress’ in Donbass

Nine months of battles for the key site of Ukrainian defense in Donbass ended with the triumph of the Russian army

www.rt.com

Posted here from RT news, because the Western media is still refusing to accept the fact.
And too for added discussion, America's Patriot missile system was attacked and destroyed by Russia's hypersonic missiles that are known to be unstoppable.

And the neo-fascist right continues to support Russia’s lawless, criminal war.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

One side is telling the truth. Time will tell.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/21/1177387849/president-zelenskyy-has-said-that-bakhmut-is-destroyed-as-russia-claims-victory-

RT isn’t even a reliable source.

 

[Godboy]

The kids will laugh at the silly plot of that Disney film

Kids probably would laugh, but an adult with a slight bit of military knowledge wouldnt.

 

[Ringo]

Why are modern westoids so bad at understanding things that were considered normal by practically all of humanity for practically all of human history. "Bizarrely"...

"Bizarrely". "oddly". What is wrong with you people?

 

[Godboy]

Russia's weaponry is now being proven to be superior.

The fact that they barely proved it is pretty embarrassing for Russia. Yes, they have FAR superior military equipment, but they still suck at fighting. A bunch of third world dipshit Ukrainians are causing them fits. F-16s will change everything. Putin knows this, which is why he is likely to use nukes if we send these jets to Ukraine.

 

[Godboy]

There are no targets in Ukraine that Russia can identify and reach that couldn't be destroyed with conventional weapons and if Putin launched a nuclear attack against NATO, Russia would be destroyed, so imo, it would be incredibly surprising for Putin to use nukes no matter how pissed off or humiliated he becomes.

If its looking like Russia is unable to hold onto the port, thats when Putin would use a nuke. A nuke will sober up the entire world and funds will dry up for Ukraine.

Thats exactly how we convinced Japan to surrender. Ukraine cant absorb many nukes. It isnt a very big place. A nuke could get them to the negotiating table real quick.

 

[Ringo]

In an interview with journalist Komarov, Kirill Budanov, the head of the Ukrainian armed forces' GUR, announced plans to physically annihilate about 3 million residents of Crimea.

"After the victory I will go to Sevastopol, it's my hometown. There will be a lot of work. We got 3 million people who lived under Russian propaganda. These are the modified people who are waiting for physical destruction," Budanov said.

The Ukrainian junta is preparing a new Holocaust with the participation of Western partners. The degeneration of Kiev's leaders is already a subject for psychiatric study.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Here’s a translated message from one nationalist faction reportedly popular with Russian army veterans, which is still allowed to voice criticisms on the Russian internet. It is led by Igor Girkin, who has criticized Putin and the Russian army’s incompetent leadership during the invasion of Ukraine. Girkin, aka “Strelkov,” played a major role in 2014 during the Crimean takeover and during the early stage of the Donbas civil war.

This ex-army, ex-FSB “blogger” is now very pessimistic. He especially opposes Wagner “psychopath” Yevgeny Prigozhin. He also bemoans that the Russian state has worked closely with Chechen warlords. He recently predicted that a war or “new front” will break out soon in Kazakhstan, and asks: “Do we still even have a state?”

Girkin now apparently has no organized military base, though he is still wanted in the West as a war criminal accused of ordering the downing of Malaysia Flt 17 in 2014.

Girkin says the recent Russian conquest of Bakhmut was only a “Pyrrhic Victory.”

 

[toomuchtime_]

It does not take long to learn how to "operate" equipment, especially if those trained are already experienced fighter pilots. Just as it is not incredibly hard to train a tank crew how to operate a new tank.

However, being able to "operate" the equipment is nowhere near the same as being "proficient" in using it. And that is what the experts are actually talking about. I can take anybody who can drive a car and train them to use a NASCAR racer. That does not mean they will be zipping around the track like Dale Jr. I can teach almost anybody who has ever rode a bicycle how to ride a motorcycle in a day or two (even faster if they are familiar with manual transmissions). But it is going to take months before they are comfortable in doing so, and years until they are really good at it.

I would imagine the Airforce officers who evaluated the Ukranian pilots took this into consideration and decided it would take four months before they would be ready to take F-16's into combat.

 

[toomuchtime_]

If its looking like Russia is unable to hold onto the port, thats when Putin would use a nuke. A nuke will sober up the entire world and funds will dry up for Ukraine.

Thats exactly how we convinced Japan to surrender. Ukraine cant absorb many nukes. It isnt a very big place. A nuke could get them to the negotiating table real quick.

There can be no negotiating table to end this war. Either Ukraine will surrender to Russia or Russia will be driven out of Ukraine.

 

[krichton]

Russia has "freed" Bahkmut, says Russia!

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Again on the internal state tensions between the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) forces and the private mercenary Wagner Group, this time reprinted from today’s (well-informed) pro-Western “Institute for the Study of War.”

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin predictably claimed the victory over Bakhmut City entirely for himself and his forces. Prigozhin stated on May 21 that “it is a total lie” that Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) helped Wagner capture the city and said that no one from the Russian MoD was in Bakhmut. Prigozhin claimed that Wagner practically received no help from the Russian military except from former overall theater commander Army General Sergey Surovikin and Russian Deputy Minister of Defense for Logistics-turned-Wagner-Group-deputy-commander Colonel General Mikhail Mizinstev. Prigozhin claimed that that the 305th Artillery Brigade (5th Combined Arms Army, Eastern Military District) helped Wagner after being subordinated to Wagner’s command. Prigozhin also acknowledged that the 57th Motorized Infantry Brigade (5th Combined Arms Army, Eastern Military District) played a ”satisfactory” role in controlling one of the flanks around Bakhmut. Prigozhin argued that the Russian command will attempt to claim the victory over Bakhmut when Wagner transfers the city to regular Russian forces and stated that the situation will be similar to how the MoD took much of Wagner’s alleged credit for capturing Palmyra, Syria, in 2016.

Prigozhin is likely attempting to solidify Wagner as solely responsible for Bakhmut’s capture before the Kremlin and the MoD can craft a response. Russian sources widely congratulated Wagner for the capture of Bakhmut and accepted Prigozhin’s May 20 claim — rather than Putin’s statement — as the official announcement of the city’s capture. Russian sources also amplified footage of Wagner forces placing a Wagner Group flag — not a Russian flag — at the highest point in Bakhmut, likely an intentional snub of the MoD. Prigozhin will likely use Wagner’s perceived responsibility for Bakhmut’s alleged capture to advocate for more supplies, responsibilities, and privileges for Wagner as he did following Wagner’s involvement in the capture of Popasna in May 2022. Prigozhin will also likely use Wagner’s role in the alleged capture of Bakhmut to intensify his efforts to establish himself as the central figure of the Russian ultranationalist community.

Russian reactions to the claimed capture of Bakhmut illustrate an increasingly growing divide between the Kremlin’s domestic presentation of the war and the ultranationalist milblogger community’s coverage of Russian operations in Ukraine.

Russian state television portrayed the alleged capture of Bakhmut as a seminal historic event and claimed that the city’s capture would facilitate Russian operations to capture Slovyansk (41km northwest of Bakhmut) and Kramatorsk (35km northwest of Bakhmut) and even Dnipro City (roughly 215km west of Bakhmut). The Kremlin likely attempted to oversell the significance of the capture of Bakhmut as a historical victory due to the continued lack of tactical success in Ukraine, with one Russian state media outlet outrageously commenting that Wagner personnel in Bakhmut must feel like “their grandfathers in Berlin.”

Russian ultranationalist milbloggers celebrated the alleged capture of Bakhmut but emphasized that “Bakhmut is not Berlin” and that the capture of the city would be simply another step in ongoing difficult operations to achieve Russian objectives in Ukraine. Russian milbloggers responded to the alleged capture of Bakhmut by discussing more immediate possible Russian operations to capture Khromove (immediately west of Bakhmut), Ivanivske (6km west of Bakhmut), and Chasiv Yar (12km west of Bakhmut). Other prominent Russian milbloggers responded to the capture of Bakhmut by focusing on possible imminent Ukrainian counteroffensive operations instead of possible future Russian offensive operations. Russian milbloggers shifted to more conservative expectations of Russian operations as the attritional offensive to capture Bakhmut continued from winter into spring of 2023, and they have largely abandoned their previous high expectations that the capture of Bakhmut would lead to a collapse of Ukrainian lines in the area and Russian advances up to Slovyansk and Kramatorsk.

Russian milbloggers’ more realistic views about both Russian capabilities in Ukraine and the relevance of the Bakhmut offensive highlight the divergence between two very different segments of the pro-war Russian information space: the more optimistic presentation of the war offered by the Kremlin and the more informed presentation of the war offered by milbloggers. These growing differences will likely continue to undermine the Kremlin’s ability to shape the Russian information space.

Institute for the Study of War

Wagner Group mercenaries likely secured the western administrative borders of Bakhmut City while Ukrainian forces are continuing to prioritize counterattacks on Bakhmut’s outskirts. Ukrainian military officials reported that Ukrainian forces control an “

www.understandingwar.org

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Almost, not quite, and what a Pyrrhic victory that has destroyed the offensive capacity of Rodina.

 

[Silver Cat]

Almost, not quite, and what a Pyrrhic victory that has destroyed the offensive capacity of Rodina.

How so? They used PMC "Wagner" just to buy time for their regular military forces to increase their offensive capability.

 

[Kruska]

Again on the internal state tensions between the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) forces and the private mercenary Wagner Group, this time reprinted from today’s (well-informed) pro-Western “Institute for the Study of War.”

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin predictably claimed the victory over Bakhmut City entirely for himself and his forces. Prigozhin stated on May 21 that “it is a total lie” that Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) helped Wagner capture the city and said that no one from the Russian MoD was in Bakhmut. Prigozhin claimed that Wagner practically received no help from the Russian military except from former overall theater commander Army General Sergey Surovikin and Russian Deputy Minister of Defense for Logistics-turned-Wagner-Group-deputy-commander Colonel General Mikhail Mizinstev. Prigozhin claimed that that the 305th Artillery Brigade (5th Combined Arms Army, Eastern Military District) helped Wagner after being subordinated to Wagner’s command. Prigozhin also acknowledged ......

Prigozhin has and is doing a hell of great job - making NATO and Ukraine to believe that there is a "supposed" rift between him and Putin, now since more then 8 month.
Just as Ukraine's President and Goebbels scholar, never stops propagating/fantasying about the "Endsieg". Both are Oscar nominees. Let's see who gets to walk away with the trophy.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Prigozhin has and is doing a hell of great job - making NATO and Ukraine to believe that there is a "supposed" rift between him and Putin, now since more then 8 month.
Just as Ukraine's President and Goebbels scholar, never stops propagating/fantasying about the "Endsieg". Both are Oscar nominees. Let's see who gets to walk away with the trophy.

A very apt comparison between Hitler and Putin.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Prigozhin has and is doing a hell of great job - making NATO and Ukraine to believe that there is a "supposed" rift between him and Putin, now since more then 8 month.
Just as Ukraine's President and Goebbels scholar, never stops propagating/fantasying about the "Endsieg". Both are Oscar nominees. Let's see who gets to walk away with the trophy.

What “trophy” are you talking about? Is the trophy a new Czarist crown? Does it signify who will be the next dictator of Russia and sit at the head of the long table that Putin has occupied — mostly alone? Does the “trophy” go to whomever cracks open the most heads of Russians unwilling to be conscripted? To whomever kills most Ukrainians?

 

[fncceo]

One side is telling the truth. Time will tell.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/21/1177387849/president-zelenskyy-has-said-that-bakhmut-is-destroyed-as-russia-claims-victory-

Both sides are shoveling enough manure to fertilize the Sinai.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

How so? They used PMC "Wagner" just to buy time for their regular military forces to increase their offensive capability.

You really think that? His forces are battered, the regular forces are badly drawn down, and the air capabilities are very degraded.

 

[Silver Cat]

You really think that?

Yes.

His forces are battered, the regular forces are badly drawn down, and the air capabilities are very degraded.

No.