Russian airliner with 224 aboard crashes in Egypt's Sinai

[skye]

"Moscow cast doubt Saturday on claims by the Islamic State group's Egyptian affiliate to have downed a Russian passenger jet that crashed in the Sinai Peninsula, killing all 224 people on board............

Several military experts contacted by AFP said it was unlikely that IS militants in Sinai would have missiles capable of shooting down a plane flying at 30,000 feet.

But they did not discount the possibility that a bomb may have been planted on the plane, or that it could have been hit by a rocket or missile as it lost height due to technical problems."



We will have to wait and see.

Russia sceptical of IS claim that it shot down airliner over Egypt

 

[Baron]

Terrible tragedy. RIP

Now lets wait for the investigation.

You betcha Obama is behind it.

 

[guno]

Terrible tragedy. RIP

Now lets wait for the investigation.

You betcha Obama is behind it.

Are you posting from Creedmore or Bellevue ?

 

[waltky]

Investigation into plane crash begins...

Investigators probe deadly Russian plane crash in Egypt
1 Nov.`15 - International investigators have begun probing why a Russian airliner carrying 224 people crashed in a mountainous area of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, killing everyone on board in one of the deadliest Airbus incidents of the past decade.

Flags will fly at half mast on official buildings in Russia on Sunday and entertainment television programmes will be cancelled as part of a national day of mourning for the victims, most of them Russians aged from 10 months to 77 years. Cairo and Moscow have both rejected the claim from a militant group affiliated with Islamic State jihadists that it downed the aircraft flown by the Kogalymavia airline, operating under the name Metrojet, en route from Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg.

Debris of a Russian airplane is seen at the site a day after the passenger jet bound for St. Petersburg, Russia, crashed in Hassana, Egypt​

Egyptian Prime Minister Sharif Ismail said experts had confirmed the militants could not down a plane at the 30,000 feet (9,000 metre) altitude the Airbus 321 was flying, while Russian Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov said the claim "cannot be considered accurate". The plane's black box data recorders have been recovered and sent for analysis, and late Saturday Sokolov and Russian Emergencies Minister Vladimir Puchkov arrived in Cairo with a team of experts to help with an Egyptian-led investigation. Two air accident investigators from France -- Airbus's home country -- are also to travel to Egypt along with six experts from the aerospace giant to help with the probe.

Egyptian Army soldiers stand near luggage and personal effects of passengers a day after a passenger jet bound for St. Petersburg, Russia crashed in Hassana, Egypt​

Germany's Lufthansa, Emirates and Air France all said they would halt flights over Sinai until the reasons behind the crash became clear. The plane, carrying 214 Russian and three Ukrainian passengers and seven crew, lost contact with air traffic control 23 minutes after taking off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh. "Unfortunately, all passengers of Kogalymavia flight 9268 Sharm el-Sheikh-Saint Petersburg have died. We issue condolences to family and friends," the Russian embassy in Cairo said.

- 'Nothing abnormal' -

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Russian jet broke up in mid air but too early draw conclusions, official says
1 Nov.`15 - A Russian airliner that crashed in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula broke up in mid-air, an official of a Moscow-based aviation agency said on Sunday after visiting the disaster site, but stressed it was too early to draw conclusions from this.

Russian authorities also ordered Kogalymavia airline, operator of the Airbus A321 which came down on Saturday killing all 224 people on board, not to fly its jets of the same model until the causes of the crash are known. The jet, which Kogalymavia flew under the brand name Metrojet, was carrying holidaymakers from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg when it crashed into a mountainous area of central Sinai shortly after losing radar contact near cruising altitude. "The destruction happened in the air, and fragments were scattered over a large area of around 20 square kilometers," said Viktor Sorochenko, director of the Intergovernmental Aviation Committee. However, he warned against reading anything into this information. "It's too early to talk about conclusions," he said on Russian television from Cairo.

A flower is seen near debris at the crash site of a Russian airliner in al-Hasanah area in El Arish city, north Egypt​

The Moscow-based committee represents governments of the Commonwealth of Independent States, which groups Russia and other former Soviet republics. A Russian airliner that crashed in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula broke up in mid-air, an official of a Moscow-based aviation agency said on Sunday after visiting the disaster site, but stressed it was too early to draw conclusions from this. Russian authorities also ordered Kogalymavia airline, operator of the Airbus A321 which came down on Saturday killing all 224 people on board, not to fly its jets of the same model until the causes of the crash are known.

A woman puts a toy on a makeshift memorial for victims of a Russian airliner which crashed in Egypt, outside Pulkovo airport in St. Petersburg, Russia​

The jet, which Kogalymavia flew under the brand name Metrojet, was carrying holidaymakers from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg when it crashed into a mountainous area of central Sinai shortly after losing radar contact near cruising altitude. "The destruction happened in the air, and fragments were scattered over a large area of around 20 square kilometers," said Viktor Sorochenko, director of the Intergovernmental Aviation Committee. However, he warned against reading anything into this information. "It's too early to talk about conclusions," he said on Russian television from Cairo. The Moscow-based committee represents governments of the Commonwealth of Independent States, which groups Russia and other former Soviet republics.

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[skye]

Nothing has been ruled out yet...from technical problems to a bomb planted inside the plane.

Still too soon to tell the cause of the crash.

 

[skye]

I am reading - there is also the possibility of a direct missile hit ....... from a very advanced missile.

Are the "Western powers" trying to send Putin a message...using ISIS as proxy?

hmmmm.....that'd be a bad move.

Hope this is not the case... because you don't mess up with Russia and come out unscathed.

 

[skye]

on a note aside....and related

Senator MacCain is psychic.... ....he says: " Give those guys( ISIS aka CIA's baby) the ability to shoot down those planes....."

Interesting....

 

[Kondor3]

Terrible tragedy. RIP

Now lets wait for the investigation.

You betcha Obama is behind it.

Are you posting from Creedmore or Bellevue ?

Tehran...

 

[waltky]

Mebbe the jihadis got ahold of a Buk missile like the one that shot down MH17...

Sinai plane crash: 'External influence' caused crash
The Russian airline Kogalymavia has blamed "external influence" for Saturday's Sinai plane crash which killed 224 people. A senior airline official said: "The only reasonable explanation is that it was [due to] external influence."

An investigation by aviation experts using data from the aircraft's "black boxes" has yet to give its conclusions. The head of Russia's Federal Aviation Agency said it was premature to speculate on the cause of the crash. "This kind of talk is... not based on any proper facts," Aleksandr Neradko said on Russian TV. The Kremlin has also warned against speculation as to the possible causes of the crash.

James Clapper, the US director of national intelligence, said there was no "direct evidence of any terrorist involvement yet" adding: "It's unlikely, but I wouldn't rule it out." Russian President Vladimir Putin has described the crash as an "enormous tragedy" and expressed his condolences to the families of the victims. "Without any doubt, everything must be done to create an objective picture of events so that we know what happened and can react accordingly," he said.

At a news conference in Moscow, the deputy director of the airline, which was later renamed Metrojet, ruled out a technical fault and pilot error. "The only [explanation] for the plane to have been destroyed in mid-air can be specific impact, purely mechanical, physical influence on the aircraft," Alexander Smirnov said. "There is no such combination of failures of systems which could have led to the plane disintegrating in the air," he added.

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[waltky]

Did poor maintenance bring down Russian airliner?...

Russian airline that operated crashed jet had spotty record
November 2,`15 — The Russian airline that operated the plane that crashed in Egypt on Saturday, killing all 224 people on board, has a spotty safety record and even rebranded recently in the wake of another deadly accident. Metrojet changed its trade name after a 2011 accident in which one of its planes, a Soviet-made Tu-154, caught fire while taxiing out before takeoff, killing three people and injuring more than 40 others.

The airline, previously called Kogalymavia, was founded in 1993, when the Soviet state monopoly, Aeroflot, split into hundreds of small airlines, some of them with just one or two planes. Kogalymavia, which drew its name from the city of Kogalym in the oil-rich western Siberia, has run a network of domestic flights and later extended its operations to charter flights abroad. In 2010, one of its Tu-154 jets chartered by an Iranian carrier but operated by Kogalymavia’s crew, made a rough landing in deep fog in Iran, injuring more than 40 people. In 2012, the airline rebranded itself and ditched its fleet of aging Soviet-built airliners to acquire seven Airbus A321-200s and a few other planes.

Metrojet, the trade name for the company which is still registered as Kogalymavia, is part of a commercial holding that also includes Brisco tourist company. The airline has been widely used by Brisco and other Russian tourist companies for charter flights to Egypt and other popular tourist destinations. Saturday’s disaster saw Metrojet’s Airbus A321-200 crash into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula 23 minutes after taking off from the Sharm el-Sheik airport, abruptly plummeting from its cruising altitude. Russian aviation officials said that the large area over which its fragments were scattered indicates the plane broke up at high altitude, but they wouldn’t name any possible cause pending the probe.

The plane that crashed was 18 years old and previously had served with several other carriers. Before joining Metrojet’s fleet in 2012, it was known to suffer a 2001 incident, in which it grazed the ground with its tail while landing in Cairo. Some aviation experts theorized that such an incident could have weakened the plane’s airframe, although Metrojet said the jet has been safe to fly. Metrojet officials have insisted that the airline has strictly observed safety regulations, and strongly denied that Saturday’s crash could have been caused by equipment failure or pilot error. They have pointed at an unspecified “external impact” on the plane as the only possible reason. Russian aviation officials called that statement premature.

Russian airline that operated crashed jet had spotty record

 

[waltky]

Russian airliner not hit from outside...

Flight recorders show crashed Russian jet not struck from outside: Investigator
Nov 3, 2015: The Russian plane that crashed in Egypt was not struck from the outside and the pilot did not make a distress call before it disappeared from radar, a source in the committee analyzing the flight recorders said on Monday.

The source declined to give more details but based his comments on the preliminary examination of the black boxes recovered from the Airbus A321 which crashed in the Sinai Peninsula on Saturday killing all 224 people on board. The Egyptian government said the black boxes were being examined by Egyptian and Russian experts along with German and French specialists from Airbus and from Ireland where the aircraft was registered. It said the search was continuing across the 9-sq-km crash site. Security sources said intelligence agencies had obtained a copy of the passenger list. Russian officials have said the plane, carrying holidaymakers from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg, likely broke up in mid-air but said it was too early to say what caused it to crash.

The Russian airplane crash site on the Sinai Peninsula is pictured in this handout photo satellite image​

The first bodies recovered from the wreckage arrived on board a Russian government plane at St Petersburg's Pulkovo Airport, where grieving Russians left piles of flowers. A Reuters photographer saw a white lorry leaving the airport, escorted by police cars, heading for a St Petersburg morgue, where the bodies were to be identified. Egypt said the plane was carrying 196 bodies. A second plane was due to leave Cairo on Monday evening. Russian President Vladimir Putin, who had declared Sunday a day of mourning, said on Monday the crash was a great tragedy. "Without any doubt everything should be done so that an objective picture of what happened is created," Putin said in comments cited by ITAR-TASS. "So that we know what happened."

When asked if a terrorist attack could be to blame, Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said no theory could yet be ruled out. An Egyptian militant group affiliated with Islamic State said on Saturday it brought down the plane "in response to Russian air strikes that killed hundreds of Muslims on Syrian land". Russian Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov dismissed the claim, saying it "can't be considered accurate".

'No pilot error'

 

[skye]

"The state of some of the bodies retrieved from the crash site could suggest an on-board explosion, Russia's state news agency reported, citing an anonymous Egyptian medical official.

"The large number of separate body fragments could indicate that a strong explosion occurred onboard before the aircraft hit the ground," the source told RIA Novosti."


Nothing official yet, the investigations at the site are not completed.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"The state of some of the bodies retrieved from the crash site could suggest an on-board explosion, Russia's state news agency reported, citing an anonymous Egyptian medical official.

"The large number of separate body fragments could indicate that a strong explosion occurred onboard before the aircraft hit the ground," the source told RIA Novosti."


Nothing official yet, the investigations at the site are not completed.

Sounding a lot like it went boom.

One good thing, they would have been out like lights when they hit the ground if they weren't dead already...

 

[skye]

not that I trust anything that comes out of the mouth of this Obama Administration because everybody knows they are arming and helping ISIS ..helping terrorists over there....etc....may they all burn in Hell

anyway now they say this....they saw a light ..


may be this is all dis information ...from the Muslim in Chief in the White Muddy House

I trust more Russian sources at this stage..I really do


US satellite detected heat flash at time of Egypt crash: media

 

[skye]

Intelligence suggests that ISIS aka US baby, brought down the plane and planted the bomb inside the plane

(what a prick is that John Kirby )

Russian plane crash: U.S. intel suggests ISIS involved - CNN.com

 

[longknife]

Hold onto your hats! What is Putin going to do about it? Nuke 'em?

 

[skye]

I thought this photo was very telling.

Rain or shine they are with Putin all the way!





Russian tourists queue inside Sharm el-Sheikh airport.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

They love their dictator.

Seems like old times, if you lived through the 70's. Donna Summer anyone?

 

[skye]

now it has been revealed more about this tragedy...

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The jihadis were heard talking in Birmingham and London accents by spies at GCHQ in Cheltenham.

They were overheard celebrating moments after the explosion that blew the plane apart, killing all 224 on board

Trained in Syria and with an electronics background, it is believed they may have had a hand in building the bomb.


British extremists linked to jet bomb: London & Birmingham voices heard cheering disaster

 

[PaintMyHouse]

now it has been revealed more about this tragedy...

.

The jihadis were heard talking in Birmingham and London accents by spies at GCHQ in Cheltenham.

They were overheard celebrating moments after the explosion that blew the plane apart, killing all 224 on board

Trained in Syria and with an electronics background, it is believed they may have had a hand in building the bomb.


British extremists linked to jet bomb: London & Birmingham voices heard cheering disaster

As I so often say, humans are a disease...