Salon.com: "America is Ready for Socialism!" (Didn't we fight against Socialism in WW II?)

[jasonnfree]

We must remember corporations are people, they cry when hurt, get abortions, and on occasion get caught breaking itty bitty rules like the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.

Corporations are legal constructs, created by government.

Corporations are groups of people that enter into a "legal construct" that is authorized by the government.

The government acts more like an authorizing body than a creating one.

Since corporations are now considered people, I call them psychopaths. Today, their only goal is profit no matter what the consequences. They will pollute an entire body of water like the gulf of mexico if that's what it takes to cut cost and make more money. They don't go to jail or have their charters revoked, they just pay the fine. Like the arrogant jamie dimon said "fine us, we can afford it". I still don't understand why conservative working class people fight the good fight for these criminals.

Jamie Dimon said he could afford fines - Business Insider

 

[MaryL]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

Bye The WAY: No we didn't fight against Socialism in WWII. Americans sent the soviets money and arms, we helped the soviets. We DID stand against the Soviets AFTER the war, so there is a mixed message going on here.

 

[Bombur]

Fascism is about as far as you can get from socialism politically. The Nazis just threw in the word "Socialist" in their title to appeal to working class people at the time. They exercised very few socialist programs.

False. It was truly a redistributive system.

Hitler's Handouts
Inside the Nazis' welfare state
Hitler s Handouts - Reason.com
Using a farrago of previously unpublished statistics, Aly describes in detail a social system larded with benefits —open only to Aryan comrades, naturally. To “achieve a truly socialist division of personal assets,” he writes, Hitler implemented a variety of interventionist economic policies, including price and rent controls, exorbitant corporate taxes, frequent “polemics against landlords,” subsidies to German farmers as protection “against the vagaries of weather and the world market,” and harsh taxes on capital gains, which Hitler himself had denounced as “effortless income.”


Aly demonstrates convincingly that Nazi “domestic policies were remarkably friendly toward the German lower classes, soaking the wealthy and redistributing the burdens of wartime.” And with fresh memories of Weimer inflation, “transferring the tax burden to corporations earned the leadership in Berlin considerable political capital, as the government keenly registered.”


For instance, at the outset of war Nazi economists established a “wartime tax of 50 percent on all wages” that applied only to the wealthiest Germans. In the end, Aly writes, “only 4 percent of the population paid the full 50 percent surcharge.” In occupied Holland, administrators dramatically raised taxes to fund an “anti-Bolshevik campaign,” while some Dutch companies paid upward of 112 percent of profits in tax.

Hitler came to power in large part by appealing to the working class which was struggling with low wages and unemployment. In his rise to power it wasn't clear what he thought of the rich or corporations and many feared he would just have the government cease assets like the socialists would. Instead he was able to build support with them as well and used the Jews as a scapegoat instead of rich people generally. So only some rich people were impacted.

Hitler then used what money he had to fuel his war machine which helped him gain favor with the laborers and the business owners who benefited from that.

Even with all of this wages were still low and he also relied heavily on pumping German nationalism for all it was worth, even sending people on vacations so they could see parts of the country and building grandiose buildings that were meant to be symbols of power.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, it is; simply Because I say so.

You are simply and uneducated retard, ergo what you say is irrelevant.

Then, why should I believe you when you Only have fallacy for your Cause.

 

[danielpalos]

I say deregulate these boards and see how much smoother things go.

What laws regulate these boards?

Are you suggesting only laws can be used to regulate and not rules?

The only regulations the libertarians complain about are those that are coercive (i.e. laws). Voluntary self regulation via rules systems is a great way to manage things.

get banned for winning your arguments with the clueless and Causeless, yet.

 

[MaryL]

The Soviets WERE our allies, National socialism, Nazism, was a totalitarian control group, period. Hitler hated the Slavic races and hated SOCALISM. The enemy of our enemy , the Russians, became our friend . (despite the fact the Russkies signed a non aggression pact with HITLER and invaded Poland and murdered countless people before the war ).

 

[Uncensored2008]

Corporations have power in all markets they take part in.

You keep claiming this, but fail to explain precisely what this power is?

Corporation have the power to do WHAT, exactly?

Government has stepped in when corporations have failed to sell a safe product, to not harm the environment, to ensure their worker's safety, to ensure their worker's are not coerced or harassed and more, to ensure the corporations pay their taxes, to ensure that corporations do not manipulate markets, to ensure that they don't collude with one another, to ensure that they are truthful to their own investors.

None of these are specific to corporations. Laws prohibiting the sale of adulterated food make no mention of corporations, a food truck under single proprietorship is subject to the same law - and vastly more likely to engage in violation.

So again, the form of business is irrelevant to complience to health and safety statutes.

That is just off the top of my head. So you say "nothing" and reality says you are woefully wrong.

Your comments about education demonstrate a level of paranoia and ignorance that is troubling. Considering you were totally wrong in your last point it seems to me that your entire world view is fueled by ignorance and paranoia. Education can help both of those problems.

The southern border is guarded. It is kind of comical to hear you praise the free trade of goods when in the next sentence you complain about immigration which is largely a result of market forces where the government struggles to stop them. You are not even consistent with your extreme world view.

You simply chant memes - there is no foundation to your arguments nor substantiation to your claims.

You are utterly incapable of elucidating what power corporations have to coerce. You merely repeat a mindless meme of "corporations evil."

 

[Uncensored2008]

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You seem unable to grasp the meaning of what Mussolini, the creator and inventor of fascism had to say about the comparison of Fascism and Socialism. It doesn't fit your opinion and view, so you are ready to say you know more about fascism than Mussolini knew about it.

I've challenged you before to debate Mussolini and the Il Fascisti. What I know of Fascism is derived from the writing of Mussolini. You of the left have desperately tried to pervert a command economy based on Roman syndicalism into the mold of the competitive free markets of Capitalism. Your claims are utterly absurd to the point of obscene,

Since you are an expert on the subject, explain to the class what Benito was doing in Switzerland, and on behalf of what movement?

 

[Uncensored2008]

get banned for winning your arguments with the clueless and Causeless, yet.

You should huff less Easy-Off.

Seriously.

 

[danielpalos]

Corporations have power in all markets they take part in.

You keep claiming this, but fail to explain precisely what this power is?

Corporation have the power to do WHAT, exactly?

Government has stepped in when corporations have failed to sell a safe product, to not harm the environment, to ensure their worker's safety, to ensure their worker's are not coerced or harassed and more, to ensure the corporations pay their taxes, to ensure that corporations do not manipulate markets, to ensure that they don't collude with one another, to ensure that they are truthful to their own investors.

None of these are specific to corporations. Laws prohibiting the sale of adulterated food make no mention of corporations, a food truck under single proprietorship is subject to the same law - and vastly more likely to engage in violation.

So again, the form of business is irrelevant to complience to health and safety statutes.

That is just off the top of my head. So you say "nothing" and reality says you are woefully wrong.

Your comments about education demonstrate a level of paranoia and ignorance that is troubling. Considering you were totally wrong in your last point it seems to me that your entire world view is fueled by ignorance and paranoia. Education can help both of those problems.

The southern border is guarded. It is kind of comical to hear you praise the free trade of goods when in the next sentence you complain about immigration which is largely a result of market forces where the government struggles to stop them. You are not even consistent with your extreme world view.

You simply chant memes - there is no foundation to your arguments nor substantiation to your claims.

You are utterly incapable of elucidating what power corporations have to coerce. You merely repeat a mindless meme of "corporations evil."

He may mean using Capital to acquire and possess representation, without as much taxation.

 

[danielpalos]

get banned for winning your arguments with the clueless and Causeless, yet.

You should huff less Easy-Off.

Seriously.

Still nothing but diversion?

The Capitalism of 1929 actually happened; the socialism of 1984 is merely hearsay and soothsay from the clueless and Causeless Right.

Everybody knows the Socialism of 1984 in the US was much better than the relatively unfettered Capitalism of 1929; except the Right.

 

[dblack]

Corporations have power in all markets they take part in.

You keep claiming this, but fail to explain precisely what this power is?

It's economic power. This distinction is worthy of a thread.

 

[Bombur]

Corporations have power in all markets they take part in.

You keep claiming this, but fail to explain precisely what this power is?

Corporation have the power to do WHAT, exactly?

Government has stepped in when corporations have failed to sell a safe product, to not harm the environment, to ensure their worker's safety, to ensure their worker's are not coerced or harassed and more, to ensure the corporations pay their taxes, to ensure that corporations do not manipulate markets, to ensure that they don't collude with one another, to ensure that they are truthful to their own investors.

None of these are specific to corporations. Laws prohibiting the sale of adulterated food make no mention of corporations, a food truck under single proprietorship is subject to the same law - and vastly more likely to engage in violation.

So again, the form of business is irrelevant to complience to health and safety statutes.

That is just off the top of my head. So you say "nothing" and reality says you are woefully wrong.

Your comments about education demonstrate a level of paranoia and ignorance that is troubling. Considering you were totally wrong in your last point it seems to me that your entire world view is fueled by ignorance and paranoia. Education can help both of those problems.

The southern border is guarded. It is kind of comical to hear you praise the free trade of goods when in the next sentence you complain about immigration which is largely a result of market forces where the government struggles to stop them. You are not even consistent with your extreme world view.

You simply chant memes - there is no foundation to your arguments nor substantiation to your claims.

You are utterly incapable of elucidating what power corporations have to coerce. You merely repeat a mindless meme of "corporations evil."

You are asking what power corporations have and I just listed off multiple examples of them wielding power. It is getting very difficult to take you seriously.

You then go on to point out small businesses can do the same thing which is a really pointless statement. You then make an erroneous claim that a small business is more likely to commit a certain type of infraction so that matters I guess. It is like you have no idea what corporations have been caught doing and how important the rule of law has been in controlling their behavior or why government is needed to control their behavior.

Pointing out that education has been incredibly important to modern economics and labor empowerment is not a meme. What a ridiculous thing to say.

I am not anti-corporation. I am actually very much for corporations. I am simply not ignorant and naive about corporations.

Your world view has at its foundation an ideological belief. My world view has at its foundation an analysis of the facts. We will never see eye to eye as long as you ignore reality, ignore logic, and get so blinded by your emotions.

 

[danielpalos]

It should be obvious in the privileges and immunities Persons of Wealth can simply "purchase" under our form of Capitalism.

 

[Camp]

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You seem unable to grasp the meaning of what Mussolini, the creator and inventor of fascism had to say about the comparison of Fascism and Socialism. It doesn't fit your opinion and view, so you are ready to say you know more about fascism than Mussolini knew about it.

I've challenged you before to debate Mussolini and the Il Fascisti. What I know of Fascism is derived from the writing of Mussolini. You of the left have desperately tried to pervert a command economy based on Roman syndicalism into the mold of the competitive free markets of Capitalism. Your claims are utterly absurd to the point of obscene,

Since you are an expert on the subject, explain to the class what Benito was doing in Switzerland, and on behalf of what movement?

Useless argument and debate. Mussolini's involvement with socialism in Switzerland proves he had an experienced understanding and knowledge of it before rejecting it and creating what would become known as Italian Fascism. Going back to what young men believed and did in their early years tells very little about what they become in later years. Ron Reagan is a great example.

 

[danielpalos]

I make a motion to pass a law that any elected representatives should have to carry their Fasces of Power when in public, after their first term; and, it should double in weight every new term.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Fascism is about as far as you can get from socialism politically. The Nazis just threw in the word "Socialist" in their title to appeal to working class people at the time. They exercised very few socialist programs.

False. It was truly a redistributive system.

Hitler's Handouts
Inside the Nazis' welfare state
Hitler s Handouts - Reason.com
Using a farrago of previously unpublished statistics, Aly describes in detail a social system larded with benefits —open only to Aryan comrades, naturally. To “achieve a truly socialist division of personal assets,” he writes, Hitler implemented a variety of interventionist economic policies, including price and rent controls, exorbitant corporate taxes, frequent “polemics against landlords,” subsidies to German farmers as protection “against the vagaries of weather and the world market,” and harsh taxes on capital gains, which Hitler himself had denounced as “effortless income.”


Aly demonstrates convincingly that Nazi “domestic policies were remarkably friendly toward the German lower classes, soaking the wealthy and redistributing the burdens of wartime.” And with fresh memories of Weimer inflation, “transferring the tax burden to corporations earned the leadership in Berlin considerable political capital, as the government keenly registered.”


For instance, at the outset of war Nazi economists established a “wartime tax of 50 percent on all wages” that applied only to the wealthiest Germans. In the end, Aly writes, “only 4 percent of the population paid the full 50 percent surcharge.” In occupied Holland, administrators dramatically raised taxes to fund an “anti-Bolshevik campaign,” while some Dutch companies paid upward of 112 percent of profits in tax.

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Are you kidding me? Hitler and the Nazi's redistributed the wealth of the country to Hitler and the Nazi's. If an individual or company had wealth and/or power they were considered a potential threat and the power and wealth was taken away. The lower classes were less of a threat and were left alone compared to the upper class.
But to say Hitler was out to help the lower class through redistribution of wealth is ridiculous.

 

[evince]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

al jeezera is an international news station you fool



republicans have made people hate capitalism

 

[evince]

Al Jazeera America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



American owned


you hate it because it has a Arabic name huh

 

[cawacko]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

al jeezera is an international news station you fool



republicans have made people hate capitalism

Any examples of policies that have made people hate capitalism?