Salon.com: "America is Ready for Socialism!" (Didn't we fight against Socialism in WW II?)

[bripat9643]

Cute link. Doesn't address the fact that there is no fundamental difference in how the citizens of Germany and the Soviet Union were treated. Also doesn't address the fact that BOTH societies were collectivist in nature. Like I said, fascism, socialism, communism (as it is practiced) are all the same house. The only difference is the color of the paint.

They were treated differently, did the soviet union set up purposeful death camps for jewish people? Attempt to create a superior race?

How was the Gulag different from the concentration camp? Other than killing way more than the Nazi's did of course.

Oh lord, you really do need to look into the gulag system, and camps set up to punish people for following a specific religion/being a specific race/having a disability, which is one of the main ideas of fascist ideology, the perfect race, hierarchies...
Learn friend, learn:
http://www.nps.gov/malu/learn/news/upload/Gulag_Fact_Sheet.pdf
"While numbers are sketchy, of the much larger number of gulag inmates plus exiled “special settlers” and labor colonists (often youth detention facilities) that totaled 26 million in these years, perhaps 1.5 million perished. It is important to remember, however, that in most years more people were amnestied from the Gulag than died in it. Excepting the brutal war years, the most common experience of the Gulag was surviving it."

Stalin sent people to the Gulag for whatever reason he wished to send them. Antisemitism is one of those reasons. Your figures on the number of deaths and the number of people sent is way low.

Your source is that National Park Service. You're kidding us, right?

Oh, good job following the great man bullshit, one man is not responsible for every death.

Stalin ordered every single death, so he is responsible.

What a surprise to find you defending Stalin . . . NOT!

 

[Socialist]

They were treated differently, did the soviet union set up purposeful death camps for jewish people? Attempt to create a superior race?

How was the Gulag different from the concentration camp? Other than killing way more than the Nazi's did of course.

Oh lord, you really do need to look into the gulag system, and camps set up to punish people for following a specific religion/being a specific race/having a disability, which is one of the main ideas of fascist ideology, the perfect race, hierarchies...
Learn friend, learn:
http://www.nps.gov/malu/learn/news/upload/Gulag_Fact_Sheet.pdf
"While numbers are sketchy, of the much larger number of gulag inmates plus exiled “special settlers” and labor colonists (often youth detention facilities) that totaled 26 million in these years, perhaps 1.5 million perished. It is important to remember, however, that in most years more people were amnestied from the Gulag than died in it. Excepting the brutal war years, the most common experience of the Gulag was surviving it."

Stalin sent people to the Gulag for whatever reason he wished to send them. Antisemitism is one of those reasons. Your figures on the number of deaths and the number of people sent is way low.

Your source is that National Park Service. You're kidding us, right?

Oh, good job following the great man bullshit, one man is not responsible for every death.

Stalin ordered every single death, so he is responsible.

What a surprise to find you defending Stalin . . . NOT!

He ordered every single death? The gulags were not setup to be death camps, and it's pathetic you would think that.

 

[Socialist]

Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist Debunking a Historical Myth

Cute link. Doesn't address the fact that there is no fundamental difference in how the citizens of Germany and the Soviet Union were treated. Also doesn't address the fact that BOTH societies were collectivist in nature. Like I said, fascism, socialism, communism (as it is practiced) are all the same house. The only difference is the color of the paint.

They were treated differently, did the soviet union set up purposeful death camps for jewish people? Attempt to create a superior race?

Plenty of Jews were sent to the Gulag where they were worked to death. So where's the difference?

The gulags weren't specifically set up to be death camps.

Yeah, they pretty much were. The treatment prisoners received virtually ensured their deaths.

Yeah, which explains why the majority didn't die in the gulags and got out, oh, you do realize the gulags imprisoned less people then the united states prison system throughout their existence?

 

[bripat9643]

How was the Gulag different from the concentration camp? Other than killing way more than the Nazi's did of course.

Oh lord, you really do need to look into the gulag system, and camps set up to punish people for following a specific religion/being a specific race/having a disability, which is one of the main ideas of fascist ideology, the perfect race, hierarchies...
Learn friend, learn:
http://www.nps.gov/malu/learn/news/upload/Gulag_Fact_Sheet.pdf
"While numbers are sketchy, of the much larger number of gulag inmates plus exiled “special settlers” and labor colonists (often youth detention facilities) that totaled 26 million in these years, perhaps 1.5 million perished. It is important to remember, however, that in most years more people were amnestied from the Gulag than died in it. Excepting the brutal war years, the most common experience of the Gulag was surviving it."

Stalin sent people to the Gulag for whatever reason he wished to send them. Antisemitism is one of those reasons. Your figures on the number of deaths and the number of people sent is way low.

Your source is that National Park Service. You're kidding us, right?

Oh, good job following the great man bullshit, one man is not responsible for every death.

Stalin ordered every single death, so he is responsible.

What a surprise to find you defending Stalin . . . NOT!

He ordered every single death? The gulags were not setup to be death camps, and it's pathetic you would think that.

They intended to get some work out of the prisoners before they died of malnutrition and exposure, but death was definitely one of the expected outcomes of a stay there.

 

[bripat9643]

Cute link. Doesn't address the fact that there is no fundamental difference in how the citizens of Germany and the Soviet Union were treated. Also doesn't address the fact that BOTH societies were collectivist in nature. Like I said, fascism, socialism, communism (as it is practiced) are all the same house. The only difference is the color of the paint.

They were treated differently, did the soviet union set up purposeful death camps for jewish people? Attempt to create a superior race?

Plenty of Jews were sent to the Gulag where they were worked to death. So where's the difference?

The gulags weren't specifically set up to be death camps.

Yeah, they pretty much were. The treatment prisoners received virtually ensured their deaths.

Yeah, which explains why the majority didn't die in the gulags and got out, oh, you do realize the gulags imprisoned less people then the united states prison system throughout their existence?

ROFL! During the great terror the Soviet rail system was overloaded with prisoners headed for the Gulags. American prisoners spend most of their day watching television of lifting weights. Prisoners in the Gulags were sent outside when the temperature was -50 F to work 14 hours a day digging gold or cutting wood.

 

[bodecea]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

No. we fought against RW fascism.

 

[bripat9643]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

No. we fought against RW fascism.

Wrong. You fought to help communism take over the world.

 

[westwall]

Everybody knows socialism is better than capitalism; just ask the wealthiest when they were willing to lie to their stockholders for socialized corporate welfare instead of merely "working harder" and making fewer "poor lifestyle choices".

A social moral of True Witness bearing was simply too much hard work for the Capital Right; yet, they insist the least wealthy must work "harder" than them under our form of Capitalism.

I think in that typical batch of babble, lies some inadvertent truth. The wealthy do benefit from socialism, and more so than the rest of us.

That's why the dumb masses favor socialism: they think it will hurt the rich more than them.

Because it simply works better than Capitalism.

Yes, socialism works so well that in most of Europe you will have a hard time finding toilets that work in public areas. Anyone who has never travelled extensively in Europe will think that socialism is the greatest thing in the world till you try and find a toilet while on a drive.

Is it easier in the more Capitalist, third world?

What capitalist third world? If you are a citizen living in the third world your government is either a socialist shithole, a religious theocracy, or a dictatorship.

 

[westwall]

Cute link. Doesn't address the fact that there is no fundamental difference in how the citizens of Germany and the Soviet Union were treated. Also doesn't address the fact that BOTH societies were collectivist in nature. Like I said, fascism, socialism, communism (as it is practiced) are all the same house. The only difference is the color of the paint.

They were treated differently, did the soviet union set up purposeful death camps for jewish people? Attempt to create a superior race?

How was the Gulag different from the concentration camp? Other than killing way more than the Nazi's did of course.

Oh lord, you really do need to look into the gulag system, and camps set up to punish people for following a specific religion/being a specific race/having a disability, which is one of the main ideas of fascist ideology, the perfect race, hierarchies...
Learn friend, learn:
http://www.nps.gov/malu/learn/news/upload/Gulag_Fact_Sheet.pdf
"While numbers are sketchy, of the much larger number of gulag inmates plus exiled “special settlers” and labor colonists (often youth detention facilities) that totaled 26 million in these years, perhaps 1.5 million perished. It is important to remember, however, that in most years more people were amnestied from the Gulag than died in it. Excepting the brutal war years, the most common experience of the Gulag was surviving it."

Oh jeez, you really don't know anything do you? The Gulag system needed to grind up "X" number of people from every profession. They had quotas. It was a system of pure terror whose goal was to bludgeon the people into political immobility. ALL religions were deemed enemies of the State and were officially proscribed. Anti-Semitism was curtailed after the Bolshevik revolution but was reinstituted in 1948 and the death of Stalin prevented a Jewish pogrom. This is all well documented.

No, it didn't need to "grind up" people. I need you to back that up, honey.

Then what was its purpose? Hmmm? Sweetie?

"The cruel reign of Josef Stalin as General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was probably the bleakest period in Russia’s history. During this time, millions of ordinary Russian Citizens died in exile or in one of the many Gulag’s set up to accommodate countless prisoners, the vast majority of whom were incarcerated for no other reason than the fact that their views differed to that of their leader."

Stalin s Purges History of Russia

 

[westwall]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

No. we fought against RW fascism.

And then we fought against left wing socialism. Which is basically the same. After all you progressives always forget that Hitler and Stalin joined together to partition Poland. Yes, Germany and the Soviet Union were allies once upon a time. You always manage to forget that little fact.

 

[Socialist]

Oh lord, you really do need to look into the gulag system, and camps set up to punish people for following a specific religion/being a specific race/having a disability, which is one of the main ideas of fascist ideology, the perfect race, hierarchies...
Learn friend, learn:
http://www.nps.gov/malu/learn/news/upload/Gulag_Fact_Sheet.pdf
"While numbers are sketchy, of the much larger number of gulag inmates plus exiled “special settlers” and labor colonists (often youth detention facilities) that totaled 26 million in these years, perhaps 1.5 million perished. It is important to remember, however, that in most years more people were amnestied from the Gulag than died in it. Excepting the brutal war years, the most common experience of the Gulag was surviving it."

Stalin sent people to the Gulag for whatever reason he wished to send them. Antisemitism is one of those reasons. Your figures on the number of deaths and the number of people sent is way low.

Your source is that National Park Service. You're kidding us, right?

Oh, good job following the great man bullshit, one man is not responsible for every death.

Stalin ordered every single death, so he is responsible.

What a surprise to find you defending Stalin . . . NOT!

He ordered every single death? The gulags were not setup to be death camps, and it's pathetic you would think that.

They intended to get some work out of the prisoners before they died of malnutrition and exposure, but death was definitely one of the expected outcomes of a stay there.

Not for the majority.

 

[Socialist]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

No. we fought against RW fascism.

And then we fought against left wing socialism. Which is basically the same. After all you progressives always forget that Hitler and Stalin joined together to partition Poland. Yes, Germany and the Soviet Union were allies once upon a time. You always manage to forget that little fact.

Basically the same? What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Socialist]

They were treated differently, did the soviet union set up purposeful death camps for jewish people? Attempt to create a superior race?

How was the Gulag different from the concentration camp? Other than killing way more than the Nazi's did of course.

Oh lord, you really do need to look into the gulag system, and camps set up to punish people for following a specific religion/being a specific race/having a disability, which is one of the main ideas of fascist ideology, the perfect race, hierarchies...
Learn friend, learn:
http://www.nps.gov/malu/learn/news/upload/Gulag_Fact_Sheet.pdf
"While numbers are sketchy, of the much larger number of gulag inmates plus exiled “special settlers” and labor colonists (often youth detention facilities) that totaled 26 million in these years, perhaps 1.5 million perished. It is important to remember, however, that in most years more people were amnestied from the Gulag than died in it. Excepting the brutal war years, the most common experience of the Gulag was surviving it."

Oh jeez, you really don't know anything do you? The Gulag system needed to grind up "X" number of people from every profession. They had quotas. It was a system of pure terror whose goal was to bludgeon the people into political immobility. ALL religions were deemed enemies of the State and were officially proscribed. Anti-Semitism was curtailed after the Bolshevik revolution but was reinstituted in 1948 and the death of Stalin prevented a Jewish pogrom. This is all well documented.

No, it didn't need to "grind up" people. I need you to back that up, honey.

Then what was its purpose? Hmmm? Sweetie?

"The cruel reign of Josef Stalin as General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was probably the bleakest period in Russia’s history. During this time, millions of ordinary Russian Citizens died in exile or in one of the many Gulag’s set up to accommodate countless prisoners, the vast majority of whom were incarcerated for no other reason than the fact that their views differed to that of their leader."

Stalin s Purges History of Russia

Ah, what glorious great man bullshit.

 

[Socialist]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

No. we fought against RW fascism.

Wrong. You fought to help communism take over the world.

I wish it took over the world.

 

[Socialist]

I think in that typical batch of babble, lies some inadvertent truth. The wealthy do benefit from socialism, and more so than the rest of us.

That's why the dumb masses favor socialism: they think it will hurt the rich more than them.

Because it simply works better than Capitalism.

Yes, socialism works so well that in most of Europe you will have a hard time finding toilets that work in public areas. Anyone who has never travelled extensively in Europe will think that socialism is the greatest thing in the world till you try and find a toilet while on a drive.

Is it easier in the more Capitalist, third world?

What capitalist third world? If you are a citizen living in the third world your government is either a socialist shithole, a religious theocracy, or a dictatorship.

What the fuck? The third world is ruthlessly and mercilessly exploited by capitalists.

 

[Socialist]

They were treated differently, did the soviet union set up purposeful death camps for jewish people? Attempt to create a superior race?

Plenty of Jews were sent to the Gulag where they were worked to death. So where's the difference?

The gulags weren't specifically set up to be death camps.

Yeah, they pretty much were. The treatment prisoners received virtually ensured their deaths.

Yeah, which explains why the majority didn't die in the gulags and got out, oh, you do realize the gulags imprisoned less people then the united states prison system throughout their existence?

ROFL! During the great terror the Soviet rail system was overloaded with prisoners headed for the Gulags. American prisoners spend most of their day watching television of lifting weights. Prisoners in the Gulags were sent outside when the temperature was -50 F to work 14 hours a day digging gold or cutting wood.

That wasn't the point of the post, the point was that the gulags had a high rate of getting out, imprisoned mainly actual criminals, and when comparing through percentages, the gulags held less of a percent of the population.

 

[bripat9643]

Plenty of Jews were sent to the Gulag where they were worked to death. So where's the difference?

The gulags weren't specifically set up to be death camps.

Yeah, they pretty much were. The treatment prisoners received virtually ensured their deaths.

Yeah, which explains why the majority didn't die in the gulags and got out, oh, you do realize the gulags imprisoned less people then the united states prison system throughout their existence?

ROFL! During the great terror the Soviet rail system was overloaded with prisoners headed for the Gulags. American prisoners spend most of their day watching television of lifting weights. Prisoners in the Gulags were sent outside when the temperature was -50 F to work 14 hours a day digging gold or cutting wood.

That wasn't the point of the post, the point was that the gulags had a high rate of getting out, imprisoned mainly actual criminals, and when comparing through percentages, the gulags held less of a percent of the population.

ROFL! They "imprisoned mainly actual criminals?" You're joking, right? Have you ever ready the Gulag archipelago?

 

[bripat9643]

That's why the dumb masses favor socialism: they think it will hurt the rich more than them.

Because it simply works better than Capitalism.

Yes, socialism works so well that in most of Europe you will have a hard time finding toilets that work in public areas. Anyone who has never travelled extensively in Europe will think that socialism is the greatest thing in the world till you try and find a toilet while on a drive.

Is it easier in the more Capitalist, third world?

What capitalist third world? If you are a citizen living in the third world your government is either a socialist shithole, a religious theocracy, or a dictatorship.

What the fuck? The third world is ruthlessly and mercilessly exploited by capitalists.

You mean when the capitalists pay them a days wages they are being "exploited?"

 

[bripat9643]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

No. we fought against RW fascism.

Wrong. You fought to help communism take over the world.

I wish it took over the world.

Yeah, we know. You're a fucking traitor to this country.

 

[westwall]

These are the scum that Joe McCarthy talked about in the early 1950's!

The Social Memo ^
Salon.com believes that the United States is "ready for socialism" and Bernie Sanders is "speaking to America's soul." In an article published today, titled "America is ready for socialism! Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues — and disdain Donald Trump," Salon made the case that most Americans want socialist policies in place. "Sanders speaks to America's soul — and our values," the article's author, Paul Rosenberg, claims. Rosenberg also writes for Al Jazeera. It continues, "Sanders is right to think that Scandanavian socialism would be popular here in the U.S., if only people knew more about it. And...

BTW, I hope all you THINKING people spotted the TIE IN between Socialism. and Al Jazeera the propaganda arm of ISIS!

No. we fought against RW fascism.

And then we fought against left wing socialism. Which is basically the same. After all you progressives always forget that Hitler and Stalin joined together to partition Poland. Yes, Germany and the Soviet Union were allies once upon a time. You always manage to forget that little fact.

Basically the same? What the hell are you talking about?

Fascism equals corporate controlled socialism. The individual exists for the benefit of the corporate controlled State.

Socialism equals the government controls the means of production, thus it takes on the roll of the corporation. And once again the individual exists for the benefit of the State.

Once the individual becomes a burden to the State they are eliminated. Sometimes nicely with assisted suicide, sometimes they are just left to die as happens in the UK on a increasingly regular basis.